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The Left And The Draft  
User currently offlineSmithfly114 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 243 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

This is really amazing to me:

The left keeps bringing up the issue of a draft more than anyone. They keep saying that if President Bush gets re-elected there will be a draft. However President Bush and the Pentagon have CLEARLY stated that there will not be a draft end of story. The left uses it as a scare tactic as if the right wants a draft, yet I have never heard it reported that there was a vote in Congress on the issue and it was defeated 402 – 2! And those two who voted for it were DEMOCRATS, not to mention it was written and pushed through the house and senate largely by democrats! Why doesn’t the right and politically aware citizens call BS on this tactic?

CCS


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

I don't know.

Apparently the American public does not want to educate themselves about the lies the democratic party tells.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21510 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Well, first of all, just because Bush says that he doesn't want a draft doesn't mean that there won't be one if he's re-elected. That said, I still don't think there will be oneif that should come to pass. But the way things are going, it's something that seems quite possible, and so the Dems probably want to use it.

It's kind of like the whole "Kerry will raise taxes thing" that we keep hearing from the right. Given his record, it's quite possible, but he's said over and over that the tax cuts will stay for the middle class.

There's really no way to call BS on it, because it's one person's word against another. It's not the first time fictional information and accusations have been used in elections, and it certainly won't be the last.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13967 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Check the following article:

http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Hacks%20Target.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=92&rnd=466.05930820030204


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Yes, I saw the Hackworth piece.

And it is one instance where I don't agree with him.



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

"It's kind of like the whole "Kerry will raise taxes thing" that we keep hearing from the right. Given his record, it's quite possible..."

LOL.... Yea, there is a really good chance it will be dark tonight, followed by daylight tomorrow too.


Would there be anyone that would bet that Kerry DOES NOT raise your taxes?


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Let's look at the reality here. National Guard units (who by the way are supposed to be the homeland forces, not units sent into foreign combat zones [that's another argument for another topic]), as well as regular military units are having stints extended past what they were orignally told; and the Pentagon's wodering why more and more soldiers are refusing to report after R&R. The number of reenlistees is getting smaller and smaller as is the number of new enlistees. So where else are they going to get forces if they can't get volunteers to staff an all-volunteer military? They're going to have to draft them. The dreaded "d" word is as hot of a political hot potato as you can get in this election. If the Draft were brought back, you won't be seeing kids running up to Canada, as Canada has already stated that they'll not take any draft asylum seekers if the US does bring back the Draft.

I'm against the draft because it's not a solution to the problem. Bush seems to be under the impression that the War On Terrorism is a winable; it's not, because terrorism is like a noxious weed, we kill one growth of it, and it pops up somewhere else. We could quash Bin Laden and Al Qaida, but someone else would pop up to take their place. The US needs to step back and take a look at some of the reasons why our country is hated and maybe reevaluate some of our foreign ties that are part of the problem.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

I'm starting to get the impression that the Left WANTS to see a reinstatement of the Draft JUST to use it as its own reward to say "SEE...I told you so!!!"

Remember:

If Kerry wins, the People have spoken.
If Bush wins, he clearly stole the election.




User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2354 times:
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SRBMOD You do realize that the Natl Guard made up 70% of our combat forces in WWII? The Guard is our reserve combat element, and is subject to posting anywhere upon federalisation. Their state role, is different, but their federal role is as the Army.

Bush stood up and said there would be no draft as long as we is president..and I have to tell you that a draft does not make sense as it would take 6 months to start to have an impact. We do not need it as there are literally hundreds of thousands of IRR reservists who owe time under their 8 year contracts, as well as officers who have not yet served their full commitments.

The only way we will have a draft is if North Korea invades the ROK, and then folks will forgive it.



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User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Kerry will have to raise taxes to help get us out of the deficit we are in due to Dubya.

FB05



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Kerry will have to raise taxes to help get us out of the deficit we are in due to Dubya

I have no doubt that he would raise taxes. But that doesn't mean that he would have to.

Why can't we, for once, get a politician in office who will actually cut the fat from spending such as abandoning as many Social programs as possible, closing and eliminating some bureaucracy, and funding of these stupid projects that usually involve something like $100 million grants to study some pointless "issue" such as the courtship ritual of bumble bees?


User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

"Kerry will have to raise taxes to help get us out of the deficit we are in due to Dubya."

Didn't he look into the camera and tell us he wouldn't?



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

Didn't he look into the camera and tell us he wouldn't?

If you believed him, then I have two 110 story buildings in New York City I'd like to sell you.


User currently offlineNceBoy From France, joined Sep 2004, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Just my two cents, about the irony of situation...

1st Cent :
The left uses it as a scare tactic
Isn't that a little bit harsh from the right to say democrat are using a scare tactic ? Isn't that from Bush administration that we constantly hear " A major attack, worst than Sept. 11, is to be expected in the following days or week" or others " If Kerry is elected then the terrorist will destroy us !" ??

2nd Cent :
Democrats lying ? And what about your president ? 4 complete years of lying ? And you come here and say " How look, they told a lie !". Wait for Bush to be defeated and for the truth to come out, and you'll see what lying is about !

As I stated, just my two cents !



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User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

It's always bad to promise/guarentee something. Things always change. We may not need a draft now but we may need one in the future if this world gets in a worse position. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineDan-air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Would there be anyone that would bet that Kerry DOES NOT raise your taxes?

What is it about running deficits that you don't understand? How long do you think this country can keep paying such things as war in Iraq using a credit-card? Does that work for you? When the bill comes due, who do you think will have to pay for it - and where does that money come from?

TAXES! Reagan and Bush I were forced to raise taxes to keep deficits from spiralling out of control. But I hear you whining that you dont' like paying taxes - OK, what spending cuts are you proposing? The military? The FAA? INS? State department? CIA? FEMA? FBI?

Make your choice - because there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Democrats lying ? And what about your president ? 4 complete years of lying ?

A drop in the bucket.... and you should know full well that politicians lie. How many of the 19 or so years of John Kerry's time as a Senator has he talked out of both sides of his mouth and changed his mind about issues?

Kerry hasn't even faced a ballot yet and he's already been caught using factual inexactitudes during his campaign. Certainly not a good start....



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

This is really amazing to me:

The right keeps bringing up the issue of raising taxes more than anyone. They keep saying that if John Kerry gets elected he will raise everyones taxes. However Kerry CLEARLY stated that he will not, end of story. The right uses it as a scare tactic as if the right wants taxes raised, yet I have never heard it reported that there was a vote in Congress on a Bush tax increase and it passed! And those two who voted for it were REPUBLICANS, not to mention it was written and pushed through the house and senate largely by REPUBLICANS! Why doesn’t the left and politically aware citizens call BS on this tactic?

LOL, You guys are guilty of it too. Stop acting like the world is coming to an end.

B


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

The right keeps bringing up the issue of raising taxes more than anyone. They keep saying that if John Kerry gets elected he will raise everyones taxes. However Kerry CLEARLY stated that he will not, end of story.

Yes, just like how when Senator Kerry voted for the President to have the power to go to War with Iraq, it was the end of story.

Or like when he clearly stated on "Face the Nation," prior to a bill for a $87 billion requisition for Iraqi and Afghanistan operations, that no US Senator would ever vote against funding to support American troops in a war zone.... end of story.

He's a politician of high order - he'll make statements that suit him at that particular moment, and gain him popularity. Politicians don't win elections saying they'll raise taxes.

Judging by his prior record, though, Kerry making a public statement is rarely the "end of story," and he has a prepensity for changing his mind.



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2262 times:
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Well, looking at it logically, Bush does not need the draft to maintain the necessary troop levels, whereas Kerry would have to raise taxes in order to pay for the programs he has outlined (not detailed mind you, but claimed he has a plan for).




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User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Bush and Kerry should just say flat out. We have all these tax cuts but if the government don't cut the budget, there will be a debt that we will have to pay eventually-either higher taxes or cut the budget. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2249 times:
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Reagan increased government tax revenue by decreasing taxes to the point that investment and business and the economy grew enough to actually grow government revenues. He combined it with serious program cutting that just enraged the left but helped bring our country out of the economic doldrums.

You do not increase taxes to stimulate the economy.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

SRBMOD You do realize that the Natl Guard made up 70% of our combat forces in WWII? The Guard is our reserve combat element, and is subject to posting anywhere upon federalisation. Their state role, is different, but their federal role is as the Army.

Their role changed after WWII and Korea, why do you think so many guys tried to get into the National Guard during Vietnam? Because they weren't sending the NG troops into Vietnam.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

it was defeated 402 – 2! And those two who voted for it were DEMOCRATS

What's even funnier.... One of the two votes was from Democrat Charles Rangel of NY....and MEGA Left winger..!!



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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Rangel was the one who proposed the Draft bill, but he actually voted against it. The only two who voted for it were Democrats, though, if I recall.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/

Rangel was quoted later as saying - after the bill was defeated - in the New York Times, "It is a prostitution of the legislative process to take a serious issue and use it for political purposes on the eve of the election just to say they are against the draft."



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25 Post contains links Dl021 : Srbmod........You are correct that many thought it was safer in the national guard, but the deployment of National Guard assets was common, moreso for
26 Post contains links Monorail : I swear these draft threads are getting to be the NW DC9 threads of the Non-In the 3 months: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.ma
27 L-188 : "It is a prostitution of the legislative process to take a serious issue and use it for political purposes on the eve of the election just to say they
28 Captoveur : Aren't the Kerry crowd the ones screaming about "rolling back the tax-cut"? I swear I heard Kerry himself mention that. Do I really have to translate
29 MaverickM11 : "I don't care about socialized health care" If you care about taxes you shouldn't you care about socialized health care?
30 Captoveur : Maybe, my point was this: I don't care if we have socialized health care or not, but I don't want to have a massive tax increase just to pay for it.
31 Post contains links Qb001 : Those who are worrying about a revived draft are in the same position as those who worried about a return to budget deficits four years ago, when Pres
32 FDXmech : >>>Bush seems to be under the impression that the War On Terrorism is a winable; it's not,......
33 Mir : Reagan increased government tax revenue by decreasing taxes to the point that investment and business and the economy grew enough to actually grow gov
34 FDXmech : >>>Unless you're raking in the dough, your taxes are not going to go up.
35 Captoveur : Greenspan himself has said either presidents economic strategy RELIES on technological growth in the economy, otherwise we will have a large deficit n
36 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Kerry's the one who claims to want to add new divisions to the armed forces... yet Bush/Republicans are gonna be the ones to draft people?
37 Jaysit : "However President Bush and the Pentagon have CLEARLY stated that there will not be a draft end of story." And your point is? This President and his S
38 Dl021 : There is no need for a draft, and if the Democrats keep using it as a way to scare the kids of America (imagine that, democrats think kids today don't
39 StarAC17 : Didn't he look into the camera and tell us he wouldn't? He won't raise taxes for the middle and lower class Americans. But those who make over $200,00
40 L-188 : If you think that he can only raise taxed on 200K a year and still pay for his programs, you are smoking a lot of B.C's number 1 agricultural export.
41 Dl021 : SHe used her tax cuts and every tax dodge she could. She then sat back and let her husband berate others for doing the same thing. Hypocrites, anyone?
42 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : He won't raise taxes for the middle and lower class Americans. But those who make over $200,000 a year will get their texes raised instead of the fami
43 Captoveur : "Hypocrites, anyone?" Just ask the lefties, they are allowed to "change their minds." Typical Democrat do as I say, not as I do mentality. I wonder ev
44 Post contains links Cannikin : Democrats changing minds? Bush Vs. Bush is good for a 'flip-flop' laugh... http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.jhtml?reposid=/multimedia/tds/stewart/
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