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A Survivor Of Palestinian Tyranny Defends Israel  
User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

I found this excellent article. Brigitte Gabriel gave this speech at Duke University this past week.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15545

Enjoy.

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User currently offlineRNOcommctr From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 826 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

From the speech: "The difference between the Arabic world and Israel is a difference in values and character. It’s barbarism versus civilization. It’s dictatorship versus democracy. It’s evil versus goodness."

Yes, I always appreciate a balanced, unbiased point of view. Thanks so much for sharing this with us.




I'm sorry, ma'am, I don't work for the airline.
User currently offlineYUL2010 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Again, thanks for demonizing the Arab-Muslim world. You've become a champion at it.

Anyways, a friend of mine sent me this article, it shows another side of Lebanon.

http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/NewsDesk.nsf/getstory?openform&1F8C9B4DE2DAB303C2256F330029F194




"Hotel November Oscar clear to land runway 24L"
User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Sure, it´s very correct to take someone else´s land, put people in refugee camps and destroy their homes... what comes next, gas chambers?

User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Sure, it´s very correct to take someone else´s land, put people in refugee camps and destroy their homes... what comes next, gas chambers?

I suppose you European would be the experts on that, right?


User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4975 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

I suppose you European would be the experts on that, right?

Wow, that is possibly the worst attempt at an insult ever. Shows just how little substance you have...

I found this excellent article.

Of course you did. Everything that demonises the Arabs is excellent in your eyes.


User currently offlineYUL2010 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

I agree with you Scorpio, that the lowest I've seen Rjpieces go... He's desprate for comebacks...


"Hotel November Oscar clear to land runway 24L"
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Sure the article is one sided and quite a bit over-the-top (what a shock it is to find something of that sort on an a.net forum!), but the truth is the truth no matter who tells it:

"The difference between the Arabic world and Israel is a difference in values and character."

"...the intentional murder of Israeli children is legitimized as Palestinian “armed struggle”. "

"...Palestinians have been encouraged to believe that murdering innocent Israeli civilians is a legitimate tactic for advancing their cause..."

-Notice my selective quoting
-Spare me any PC BS you might feel like spewing


LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineYUL2010 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

"...Palestinians have been encouraged to believe that murdering innocent Israeli civilians is a legitimate tactic for advancing their cause..."

Oh this is total crap. You know very well that Sharon's (and any Isreali goverment's) goal is to kick out every single Palestinian (killing them is an option, as they are currently doing) from the occupied territories. That's the Isreali tactic.

I'm sorry buddy, but I said it times and times before, BOTH parties have blood on their hands. May I remind you the Sabra and Chatila refugee camp massacre in 1982?




"Hotel November Oscar clear to land runway 24L"
User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Too bad some people will never see that. They can't and won't. Both sides have blood on their hands and some people will not realize that.

I suppose you European would be the experts on that, right?

The Isreali government would also be the experts on that.

[Edited 2004-10-20 16:45:34]


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24810 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Rjpieces, that was pretty low. In fact it was only a small minority of Europe that were expers on that sort of stuff.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Seems like he like to make fun of Arabs, Muslims, Europeans but when someone saids something negative about Israel, they are jew-hating eurotrash. Nice double-standard he has going.


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1754 times:

Rjpieces, that was pretty low. In fact it was only a small minority of Europe that were expers on that sort of stuff.

True GKirk. Most of Europe was with the exceptions of Italy, England, the Netherlands, Scandinavian countries, and that's about it............

The Isreali government would also be the experts on that.

I must have missed Israeli systematically exterminating the Palestinians. Care to link me to wherever you get your news from?


User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

Was this meant to be a glossy advertisement for Israel and demonizing the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims? It's not going very well, isn't it?  Laugh out loud You've manage to convince people here otherwise, by 'people' I mean those you think are the 'friends of Israel'. Oh we have comments from USA, UK, Canada, Spain & Belgium so far; no need for any Arab member to interfere.

LY744, you have some very valid points there. If I were you I'd be ashamed that this guy is actually representing Israel's cause. He's obviously not doing a very good job  Insane


User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4975 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

True GKirk. Most of Europe was with the exceptions of Italy, England, the Netherlands, Scandinavian countries, and that's about it............

And you were SURPRISED when you got your ass kicked in highschool every day?


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Re: Most of Europe was with the exceptions of ... England

WRONG AGAIN RJ. The King of England expelled the entire Jewish population of England in the thirteenth century, they were only allowed back in in 1650-something, by Cromwell. For an expert on the subject, you don't seem to know very much.


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24810 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Rjpieces, I was sticking up for you until this point:
True GKirk. Most of Europe was with the exceptions of Italy, England, the Netherlands, Scandinavian countries, and that's about it............

 Big grin I'll let you figure it out



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

You just agreed with someone who called an entire culture evil, and another culture good? How does that make you better than the Nazis?

And at that time, England was leading the fight against the Nazis.

Britain, not England.

So learn your history before opening your mouth next time.........

There's history, then there's propaganda.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

YUL,

You know very well that Sharon's (and any Isreali goverment's) goal is to kick out every single Palestinian (killing them is an option, as they are currently doing) from the occupied territories. That's the Isreali tactic.

Oh really? You must be privvy to some information that the rest of the world doesn't know, care to enlighten us on that?

I sure haven't seen systematic killing of Palestinian civilians. What I see is Israelis dying and Palestinians dying. I see Palestinian terrorism and harsh responses from Israel. This is a war, people are dying, it sucks, and that's just the way it is. This is not some Israeli scheme to kill every single Palestinian.

So do you still insist that this is the case? And if you do, do you have any sources for this? Absolutely ridiculous.



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User currently offlineYUL2010 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

So do you still insist that this is the case? And if you do, do you have any sources for this?

Yes, I have sources... gimme a sec, I'm browsing the web for them right now....  Yeah sure

Face it, it's in the Isreali's own interest if the Palestinians are all kicked out of their homeland.
All I'm saying is that I would't be surprised if Sharon has that idea in his little brain of his (and I personally believe that he's working on it). Besides, he ordered the massacre of 2000 Palestinians in Lebanon... so, he might as well want to finish the job...



[Edited 2004-10-20 20:15:47]


"Hotel November Oscar clear to land runway 24L"
User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

... but they have to be careful not to eliminate too many, as they need enough of them to do the filthy jobs in Israel...

User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Face it, it's in the Isreali's own interest if the Palestinians are all kicked out of their homeland.
All I'm saying is that I would't be surprised if Sharon has that idea in his little brain of his (and I personally believe that he's working on it). Besides, he ordered the massacre of 2000 Palestinians in Lebanon... so, he might as well want to finish the job...



1. Stop twisting the facts. Israel will be out of the GS by end of 2005. How does that settle in your little hating brain? What will happen afterwards is up to the Palestinians. If they stop the terror they'll also get the WB pretty soon. But somehow I can't imagine the Hamas and the Islamic Jihad storing the rockets and the explosives, since their goal is not a prospering Palestinian state.

2. Sharon did not order the massacre in Sabra and Shatila. His fault was in not preventing it. The Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia was completely responsible for the massacres that occurred at the two Beirut-area refugee camps on September 16-17, 1982. Israel had allowed the Phalange to enter the camps as part of a plan to transfer authority to the Lebanese, and accepted responsibility for that decision. When Israeli soldiers ordered the Phalangists out, they found hundreds dead (estimates range from 460 according to the Lebanese police, to 700-800 calculated by Israeli intelligence). Get your facts strait before posting nonsense.

Levent, since the Intifada begun almost 2000 palestinians died and about 700 Israelis. That's a war, not an extermination. Oh, and the filthy jobs in Israel are done mostly by Thai, Romanian, Nigerian and other foreign workers. Same as in Europe, pretty much.




2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineYUL2010 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1592 times:

Sharon did not order the massacre in Sabra and Shatila. His fault was in not preventing it. The Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia was completely responsible for the massacres that occurred at the two Beirut-area refugee camps on September 16-17, 1982. Israel had allowed the Phalange to enter the camps as part of a plan to transfer authority to the Lebanese, and accepted responsibility for that decision. When Israeli soldiers ordered the Phalangists out, they found hundreds dead (estimates range from 460 according to the Lebanese police, to 700-800 calculated by Israeli intelligence). Get your facts strait before posting nonsense.

Nope, sorry, that's not what my teacher told me. And by teacher, I'm refering to Robert Fisk, award winning British journalist, who arrived at the refugee camp minutes after the massacre. Read his book: Pity The Nation: Lebanon at war
Oh, may I add, the massacre happened under the Isreali militia's eyes (yes, it was the Phalangist who commited the massacre, but Sharon is still responsible, and he knew they were gonna do it).
In any case, I still stand behind what I said.
And add Sri Lanka to that list of countries you have.




"Hotel November Oscar clear to land runway 24L"
User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2232 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

, I'm refering to Robert Fisk, award winning British journalist, who arrived at the refugee camp minutes after the massacre

And thus he knows the motives, the orders, and who gave them? With all do respect, that's not a reference for me.
Note, I'm not saying that he is completely innocent, and so does not the State of Israel which recognized that fact by the mean of an official committee that investigated the massacre. The guilt implied is non-preventing, not ordering.

Ironically, this is the man who is trying to pull Israel out of Gaza now,keep that in mind.



2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineYUL2010 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

Ironically, this is the man who is trying to pull Israel out of Gaza now,keep that in mind.

Don't be fooled, he's pulling out under pressure (either from UN or the USA, or simply ALL world leaders...), and not out of good will. He's still a killer in my eyes and not a man of peace.

Ok, do some searched on Fisk, maybe that'll change your mind. What references would you want anyways? (and please dont pull out a Jewish journalist, I made the effort of naming a neutral one...).
Journalists are journalists... take 'em or leave 'em.

Enough of this debate. It'll restart somewhere else, as usual.
It's 3:30am, I have an exam tomorrow. I'm going to
bed now. Good night.



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25 Post contains links and images LY744 : YUL2010 "You know very well that Sharon's (and any Isreali goverment's) goal is to kick out every single Palestinian (killing them is an option, as th
26 QR332 : Nothing like a good laugh at night... the article is a pile of BS. When the Muslims and Palestinians declared Jihad on the Christians in 1975, they st
27 Rjpieces : Look at good old RJ. QR, you might think I'm brainwashed but unfortunately, most Americans on this forum think YOU are brainwashed. And unfortunately
28 QR332 : RJ, You dont get it, do you? I dont give a damn what Americans think of me. America, the American government, and what some kid with no life and nothi
29 David b. : QR, you might think I'm brainwashed but unfortunately, most Americans on this forum think YOU are brainwashed. And unfortunately for you and your boys
30 Horus : It's pathetic how the usual member always ends up making personal attacks when flaws emerge in his argument. Horus
31 Post contains images QR332 : But Horus & David b. - dont forget, the 4% of the world living in the US are more important the 96% in the rest of the world according to RJ.
32 Horus : BS. I don't. Most people do not. The biased media makes it seem that way. That's exactly what a BBC report found back in 2003. The reason some America
33 Post contains links Schoenorama : Just came across some of Brigitte Gabriel's earlier statements. Warning: Extreme Bullsh!t Ahead: "''The problem we have with Europe is that [it] is in
34 David b. : Is she jealous that Osama doesn't take Viagra and her husband does?
35 LY744 : "You want to see the best brainwashing ever committed? Look at good old RJ." That is the problem with the mid-east conflict. Instead of solving it, ev
36 Rjpieces : LOL!! America's view matters more than most countries???? Really? Most people in the world don't give a shit what the US thinks after the invasion of
37 Post contains images David b. : You were saying about RJ? I gotta give him one thing, at least his average post is longer than 1 sentence. Most of that is BS. I'm not saying if it's
38 N229nw : RJ, There are many Americans, and many American Jews, including me, who do not agree with you. You may disagree with points QR332 makes, but he consis
39 BA : N229nw, Beautiful post. Welcome to my respected users list. Regards
40 Post contains images LY7E7 : Don't be fooled, he's pulling out under pressure (either from UN or the USA, or simply ALL world leaders...), and not out of good will. He's still a k
41 Krushny : Much as I dislike this individual let me say something good about Sharon, this guy has balls. It is funny that he looks like the only guy in Israel c
42 QR332 : LY, That is the problem with the mid-east conflict. Instead of solving it, everybody tries to make an intellectual game of ping-pong out of it. You wa
43 Post contains images LY7E7 : Krushny seems to be the only one here that shows some understandment of the Israeli politics .
44 LY744 : "Well you've got brains" Thanks man. "Posts like this show he was, "A Survivor of Palestinian Tyranny Defednds Israel". That is the result of brainwas
45 Post contains images QR332 : Thanks man. Anytime Again, I am not here to debate RJ, so don't change the topic. How did I change the subject if I also adressed everything else you
46 LY744 : With the exception of certain U.S. Army deserters, typical soldiers do not get to take calls on moral issues. They respond to orders from higher-ups,
47 QR332 : With the exception of certain U.S. Army deserters, typical soldiers do not get to take calls on moral issues. They respond to orders from higher-ups,
48 LY744 : "Sharon was Minister of Defense at the time, and he approved it" Do we really have to go through that again? OK, explain to me how exactly you know th
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