RNOcommctr From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 825 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1757 times:
From the speech: "The difference between the Arabic world and Israel is a difference in values and character. It’s barbarism versus civilization. It’s dictatorship versus democracy. It’s evil versus goodness."
Yes, I always appreciate a balanced, unbiased point of view. Thanks so much for sharing this with us.
LY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1574 times:
Sure the article is one sided and quite a bit over-the-top (what a shock it is to find something of that sort on an a.net forum!), but the truth is the truth no matter who tells it:
"The difference between the Arabic world and Israel is a difference in values and character."
"...the intentional murder of Israeli children is legitimized as Palestinian “armed struggle”. "
"...Palestinians have been encouraged to believe that murdering innocent Israeli civilians is a legitimate tactic for advancing their cause..."
-Notice my selective quoting
-Spare me any PC BS you might feel like spewing
YUL2010 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 22 Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1567 times:
"...Palestinians have been encouraged to believe that murdering innocent Israeli civilians is a legitimate tactic for advancing their cause..."
Oh this is total crap. You know very well that Sharon's (and any Isreali goverment's) goal is to kick out every single Palestinian (killing them is an option, as they are currently doing) from the occupied territories. That's the Isreali tactic.
I'm sorry buddy, but I said it times and times before, BOTH parties have blood on their hands. May I remind you the Sabra and Chatila refugee camp massacre in 1982?
David b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1532 times:
Seems like he like to make fun of Arabs, Muslims, Europeans but when someone saids something negative about Israel, they are jew-hating eurotrash. Nice double-standard he has going.
KEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1841 posts, RR: 31 Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1511 times:
Was this meant to be a glossy advertisement for Israel and demonizing the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims? It's not going very well, isn't it? You've manage to convince people here otherwise, by 'people' I mean those you think are the 'friends of Israel'. Oh we have comments from USA, UK, Canada, Spain & Belgium so far; no need for any Arab member to interfere.
LY744, you have some very valid points there. If I were you I'd be ashamed that this guy is actually representing Israel's cause. He's obviously not doing a very good job
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JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1480 times:
Re: Most of Europe was with the exceptions of ... England
WRONG AGAIN RJ. The King of England expelled the entire Jewish population of England in the thirteenth century, they were only allowed back in in 1650-something, by Cromwell. For an expert on the subject, you don't seem to know very much.
GKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24621 posts, RR: 58 Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
Rjpieces, I was sticking up for you until this point: True GKirk. Most of Europe was with the exceptions of Italy, England, the Netherlands, Scandinavian countries, and that's about it............
I'll let you figure it out
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 28 Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1405 times:
YUL,
You know very well that Sharon's (and any Isreali goverment's) goal is to kick out every single Palestinian (killing them is an option, as they are currently doing) from the occupied territories. That's the Isreali tactic.
Oh really? You must be privvy to some information that the rest of the world doesn't know, care to enlighten us on that?
I sure haven't seen systematic killing of Palestinian civilians. What I see is Israelis dying and Palestinians dying. I see Palestinian terrorism and harsh responses from Israel. This is a war, people are dying, it sucks, and that's just the way it is. This is not some Israeli scheme to kill every single Palestinian.
So do you still insist that this is the case? And if you do, do you have any sources for this? Absolutely ridiculous.
YUL2010 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 22 Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1382 times:
So do you still insist that this is the case? And if you do, do you have any sources for this?
Yes, I have sources... gimme a sec, I'm browsing the web for them right now....
Face it, it's in the Isreali's own interest if the Palestinians are all kicked out of their homeland.
All I'm saying is that I would't be surprised if Sharon has that idea in his little brain of his (and I personally believe that he's working on it). Besides, he ordered the massacre of 2000 Palestinians in Lebanon... so, he might as well want to finish the job...
LY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2218 posts, RR: 21 Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1367 times:
Face it, it's in the Isreali's own interest if the Palestinians are all kicked out of their homeland.
All I'm saying is that I would't be surprised if Sharon has that idea in his little brain of his (and I personally believe that he's working on it). Besides, he ordered the massacre of 2000 Palestinians in Lebanon... so, he might as well want to finish the job...
1. Stop twisting the facts. Israel will be out of the GS by end of 2005. How does that settle in your little hating brain? What will happen afterwards is up to the Palestinians. If they stop the terror they'll also get the WB pretty soon. But somehow I can't imagine the Hamas and the Islamic Jihad storing the rockets and the explosives, since their goal is not a prospering Palestinian state.
2. Sharon did not order the massacre in Sabra and Shatila. His fault was in not preventing it. The Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia was completely responsible for the massacres that occurred at the two Beirut-area refugee camps on September 16-17, 1982. Israel had allowed the Phalange to enter the camps as part of a plan to transfer authority to the Lebanese, and accepted responsibility for that decision. When Israeli soldiers ordered the Phalangists out, they found hundreds dead (estimates range from 460 according to the Lebanese police, to 700-800 calculated by Israeli intelligence). Get your facts strait before posting nonsense.
Levent, since the Intifada begun almost 2000 palestinians died and about 700 Israelis. That's a war, not an extermination. Oh, and the filthy jobs in Israel are done mostly by Thai, Romanian, Nigerian and other foreign workers. Same as in Europe, pretty much.
YUL2010 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 22 Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1356 times:
Sharon did not order the massacre in Sabra and Shatila. His fault was in not preventing it. The Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia was completely responsible for the massacres that occurred at the two Beirut-area refugee camps on September 16-17, 1982. Israel had allowed the Phalange to enter the camps as part of a plan to transfer authority to the Lebanese, and accepted responsibility for that decision. When Israeli soldiers ordered the Phalangists out, they found hundreds dead (estimates range from 460 according to the Lebanese police, to 700-800 calculated by Israeli intelligence). Get your facts strait before posting nonsense.
Nope, sorry, that's not what my teacher told me. And by teacher, I'm refering to Robert Fisk, award winning British journalist, who arrived at the refugee camp minutes after the massacre. Read his book: Pity The Nation: Lebanon at war
Oh, may I add, the massacre happened under the Isreali militia's eyes (yes, it was the Phalangist who commited the massacre, but Sharon is still responsible, and he knew they were gonna do it).
In any case, I still stand behind what I said.
And add Sri Lanka to that list of countries you have.
LY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2218 posts, RR: 21 Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1342 times:
, I'm refering to Robert Fisk, award winning British journalist, who arrived at the refugee camp minutes after the massacre
And thus he knows the motives, the orders, and who gave them? With all do respect, that's not a reference for me.
Note, I'm not saying that he is completely innocent, and so does not the State of Israel which recognized that fact by the mean of an official committee that investigated the massacre. The guilt implied is non-preventing, not ordering.
Ironically, this is the man who is trying to pull Israel out of Gaza now,keep that in mind.
YUL2010 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 320 posts, RR: 22 Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1334 times:
Ironically, this is the man who is trying to pull Israel out of Gaza now,keep that in mind.
Don't be fooled, he's pulling out under pressure (either from UN or the USA, or simply ALL world leaders...), and not out of good will. He's still a killer in my eyes and not a man of peace.
Ok, do some searched on Fisk, maybe that'll change your mind. What references would you want anyways? (and please dont pull out a Jewish journalist, I made the effort of naming a neutral one...).
Journalists are journalists... take 'em or leave 'em.
Enough of this debate. It'll restart somewhere else, as usual.
It's 3:30am, I have an exam tomorrow. I'm going to
bed now. Good night.
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25 LY744: YUL2010 "You know very well that Sharon's (and any Isreali goverment's) goal is to kick out every single Palestinian (killing them is an option, as th
26 QR332: Nothing like a good laugh at night... the article is a pile of BS. When the Muslims and Palestinians declared Jihad on the Christians in 1975, they st
27 Rjpieces: Look at good old RJ. QR, you might think I'm brainwashed but unfortunately, most Americans on this forum think YOU are brainwashed. And unfortunately
28 QR332: RJ, You dont get it, do you? I dont give a damn what Americans think of me. America, the American government, and what some kid with no life and nothi
29 David b.: QR, you might think I'm brainwashed but unfortunately, most Americans on this forum think YOU are brainwashed. And unfortunately for you and your boys
30 Horus: It's pathetic how the usual member always ends up making personal attacks when flaws emerge in his argument. Horus
31 QR332: But Horus & David b. - dont forget, the 4% of the world living in the US are more important the 96% in the rest of the world according to RJ.
32 Horus: BS. I don't. Most people do not. The biased media makes it seem that way. That's exactly what a BBC report found back in 2003. The reason some America
33 Schoenorama: Just came across some of Brigitte Gabriel's earlier statements. Warning: Extreme Bullsh!t Ahead: "''The problem we have with Europe is that [it] is in
34 David b.: Is she jealous that Osama doesn't take Viagra and her husband does?
35 LY744: "You want to see the best brainwashing ever committed? Look at good old RJ." That is the problem with the mid-east conflict. Instead of solving it, ev
36 Rjpieces: LOL!! America's view matters more than most countries???? Really? Most people in the world don't give a shit what the US thinks after the invasion of
37 David b.: You were saying about RJ? I gotta give him one thing, at least his average post is longer than 1 sentence. Most of that is BS. I'm not saying if it's
38 N229nw: RJ, There are many Americans, and many American Jews, including me, who do not agree with you. You may disagree with points QR332 makes, but he consis
39 BA: N229nw, Beautiful post. Welcome to my respected users list. Regards
40 LY7E7: Don't be fooled, he's pulling out under pressure (either from UN or the USA, or simply ALL world leaders...), and not out of good will. He's still a k
41 Krushny: Much as I dislike this individual let me say something good about Sharon, this guy has balls. It is funny that he looks like the only guy in Israel c
42 QR332: LY, That is the problem with the mid-east conflict. Instead of solving it, everybody tries to make an intellectual game of ping-pong out of it. You wa
43 LY7E7: Krushny seems to be the only one here that shows some understandment of the Israeli politics .
44 LY744: "Well you've got brains" Thanks man. "Posts like this show he was, "A Survivor of Palestinian Tyranny Defednds Israel". That is the result of brainwas
45 QR332: Thanks man. Anytime Again, I am not here to debate RJ, so don't change the topic. How did I change the subject if I also adressed everything else you
46 LY744: With the exception of certain U.S. Army deserters, typical soldiers do not get to take calls on moral issues. They respond to orders from higher-ups,
47 QR332: With the exception of certain U.S. Army deserters, typical soldiers do not get to take calls on moral issues. They respond to orders from higher-ups,
48 LY744: "Sharon was Minister of Defense at the time, and he approved it" Do we really have to go through that again? OK, explain to me how exactly you know th
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You've manage to convince people here otherwise, by 'people' I mean those you think are the 'friends of Israel'. Oh we have comments from USA, UK, Canada, Spain & Belgium so far; no need for any Arab member to interfere.
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