JAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 9 Posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
I just did a load of laundry and it inspired me to post this. First off let me just say I hate North American top loaders. I'll explain why.
1) 3 times the water is needed that for a European front loader.
2) It doesn't heat the water, you have to rely on the varying temperature of the tap.
3) Using so much hot water (during a hot wash) equals larger utility bills.
4) The cleaning is mediocre.
5) Rinsing is horrible!
6) Slow spin speeds.
7) Slower spin speeds = more moisture left in clothing = longer drying time = higher utility cost
8) Rough on clothing.
Pros of European washing machines:
1) The horisozntal-axis, tumbling drum system requires less water. A pre-wash, main wash and 5 rinses on a European washer requires the same amount of water as just the wash portion of that on a top-loader.
2) They have internal water heaters. This means that you can select temperatures in between 30 and 95 degrees Celsius. This means you don't need harsh chemicals (bleach) to get your gym socks white, you just select the 95 degree wash. Also, since water is gradually heated, stains that are usually set in by hot water are removed before the water gets too hot.
3) Since only cold water is used, and less of it, it costs less to heat it.
4) Because of the way the washer works (tumbling in hot water for a long time) cleaning results are much better.
5) Top loaders rinse the wash once. Front loaders about 5 times (depends on model of washer and cycle) and still manage to use half as much water.
6) Some models offer spin speeds as high as 1600rpm compared to a usual toploader's 400-500.
7) Higher water exrtaction equal shorter drying time, which equals less energy use.
8) The tumbling action is much gentler than the beating of an agitator
The only cons are the long wash cycle and high price of the washer in North America. But it worth it, once you try you will never go back to American "washing machines". Plus, there you get to see the clothes go round and round.
N863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
LOL. I read your other post too... hee hee.
European washers do seem to wash better than American ones - we infact went all out and bought a front-loader here in the US after moving back from two years in the UK.
It's an AEG - Direct import, and it's really much better than the ones that Kenmore or any other US manufacturer makes! It took us days to find somewhere that stocked one in the FL Panhandle, but eventually we got one... so that's good.
And yes when I was a kid, I used to sit on top of the washer for hours and hours too - so you are not alone!
I used to sit on the dryer, next to the washer, put my finger on the plunger thing by the lid and watch the washer wash, spin, rinse etc. By the time I got to the UK (only three years ago) I was a little old to watch it going around and around. But it baffled me how they could work, being much smaller than the North American version!
MalibuAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
I live in North America, Malibu, California in fact, and we have a front loading washer (it doesn't look like the one in your picture). Yes, it saves water and stuff, i really couldn't care less what kind of washer we have, for i do not do the laundry.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Actually, Kenmore recently starting selling a new top-loading washer that uses 40% less water than conventional top-loading washers.
What they did was to completely redesign the internal agitation system so you don't need to fill it up with so much water to get the clothes clean.
Both Whirlpool and General Electric/Hotpoint are coming out with washing machines working on similar operating principles this summer.
The most advanced washing machine I've ever seen is the Maytag Neptune front-loader--it has an extraordinary level of control when it comes to washing clothes. But then, it better be at US$850-$900 for the machine.
Sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5696 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
When the cost of not changing exceeds the cost of changing, then the change will occur.
Most US washers are derivative of designs thirty to forty years old- and they work just fine for most folks. But the change is coming.
Of course, the typical european washer cost piles more than American ones, and (until quite recently) was a mere shadow of the durability.
Truth to tell, having just gone through that whole washer shopping thing, unless you get into the very high range-- washers in the $1,000.00-plus (way plus) range-- your observations are mostly misplaced.
No why am I up at 2:00 am writing this?
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
JAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
Do Europena washers take much smaller loads? Not really, here is why:
1. There is no agitator, all the space of the drum is reserved for the clothes.
2. Clothes can be packed. Because of the way the washer works, the clothes don't need to float.
They can take, on average, 5kg (about 10-11lbs) of dry cotton per wash, which is enough, I mean how many dirty clothes could you possibly generate?
RauChuang, as for the North American "new" top loaders, I don't like them. I think you are just a compromise, a gimmick. I beleive you are talkinga bout teh Calypso wash system, yes? I watched the video about them on Kenmore's website and I would never get them. The clothes barely agitate! If you put in a big comforter it seems only the bottom of it would get washed.
As for the Neptune, no internal water heater. Still have to use bleach. Plus, I hate how you can't see inside.
B-707 From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 497 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
I wasn't aware that front loading washing machines were not readily available in N America.
I don't think that washing machines are that expensive in Europe. I know that in UK (about 6 months ago) I bought a new Creda front loader for £200. It does a good enough job. The spin speed is 1500 so the clothes are nearly dry when they come out.
I think Miele(sp) do a machine that is costs £800-£1000. One day I'd like to have one.
JAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
B-707, it's true. They are a lot cheaper in Europe and because there is such a low selection, supply, adn demand in North America they are expensive. In Canada you have the choice of: Bosch
and I think I saw Creda.
SophieMaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
We have a front loading washing machine that lets you use the door to weigh your laundry. You can then choose how much water you need for the amount of laundry you have. The only problem is, it's very old and we haven't been able to find one like it to replace it. Apparently this type of washing machine isn't very common in the U.S.
Starship From South Africa, joined Nov 1999, 1098 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
I have an Italian made Whirlpool AWM 875 Aquaprogram front loader washing machine. It sounds like an Airbus A320 with IAE V2500s spooling up when it goes into spin mode! That aside it has fuzzy logic, so it determines the amount of water needed for the load. It has a unique feature whereby it starts to spin at slow speed while the drum is still full of water. This distributes the load evenly around the inside of the drum and only then does the water drain out, so my machine stays put and has never yet attempted to walk out of the kitchen. It also has a variable speed spin with a maximum of 1200 rpm, so that gets everything pretty much dry, by the time it comes out. Best of all, it has a durable polypropylene outer drum, so there is nothing to rust.
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4838 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
We have both styles in our house and I prefer the old-style top-loading one much more. It takes about half the time and can wash about twice as much as the front-loader. Plus we're always having problems with the front loader going off balance and walking across the room...my father is an engineer mind you and has righted it with the spirit level many times only to have it walking a few loads later.