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"Pentagon Official Distorted Intelligence"  
User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

"Pentagon official distorted intelligence

WASHINGTON As recently as January 2004, a top Defense Department official misrepresented to Congress the view of American intelligence agencies about the relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda, according to classified documents described in a new report by a Senate Democrat.

The report said that a classified document prepared by Douglas Feith, the undersecretary of defense for policy, did not accurately reflect the intelligence agencies' assessment of the relationship, despite a Pentagon claim that it did."


"Bush administration officials have defended Feith's prewar efforts as reflecting a legitimate effort to develop an alternative analysis of the relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda. But the report by Levin includes new details showing that Feith's accounts to the White House and Congress through early 2004 deviated from the intelligence agencies' assessments to a degree that the Pentagon official did not acknowledge."

Read rest here: http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2004/10/21/news/intel.html


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

To use KROC's words...
Obsession anybody?

 Insane  Insane  Insane



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User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 1227 times:

Obsession with the Truth, GKirk?

What's wrong about that?



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

The Truth?

You can't handle the Truth.








Namely that the Coalition acted on the best intel they had available.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

The Truth?

You can't handle the Truth.


You wouldn't KNOW the truth if it smacked you in the face.  Smile

And GKirk, how is this "obsession"? I'd like to know-it's a story about something that has been a hot topic for quite a while, which is why the Administration keeps trying to link Iraq and Al Qaeda, when all the intel says there wasn't much more than informal contacts, and certainly no hard ties?

If that's obsession, then I don't think you know the meaning of the word.


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1205 times:



Considering we are already in there, this bit of information affects anyone, how?

Back by popular demand, and because you can hardly go a week without starting a meaningless political thread you earn a big one of these.



Seriously, get on with your life, I am sure there are more interesting threads to be started than hey here is another reason you all should hate the current government. Couldn't you simply utilize the search function and add this to one of the countless threads already on similar topics?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

Considering we are already in there, this bit of information affects anyone, how?

Because it shows again how terribly the American people were misled by those in this Administration, and how poorly they have served us, CaptObsession.


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

"Because it shows again how terribly the American people were misled"

yadda yadda yadda, same crap new thread.. just add it onto one of the previous flamewars and the 10 people on this board that give a shit can go read it there.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

Amazing, CaptObsession, you keep saying that, but who's always one of the first right-wing yes-men to show up every time? You.

Says a lot about you.


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

"Says a lot about you."

..and who is the first on the scene to say that phrase over and over and over....?



User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1176 times:

L-188:


"The Truth?

You can't handle the Truth.
"


Is that a confirmation that we haven't been told the Truth?



"Namely that the Coalition acted on the best intel they had available."



You didn't read the article, now did you?

Read the title, L-188. It says Distorted Intelligence, not the best intelligence available.


Captoveur:

"Considering we are already in there, this bit of information affects anyone, how?"

How naive. Does November 2nd ring a bell?

"Back by popular demand, and because you can hardly go a week without starting a meaningless political thread you earn a big one of these."

Please save me your bullshit, Captoveur. This is a Discussion Board, not an image board where you can re-post your 'original' graphics over and over again. Shows just how desperate your are when confronted with criticism.

"Seriously, get on with your life, I am sure there are more interesting threads to be started than hey here is another reason you all should hate the current government. "

If you don't like my posts, DON'T READ THEM. As simple as that!!!

"Couldn't you simply utilize the search function and add this to one of the countless threads already on similar topics?"

How about YOU using the search function and check how many times you've posted that ridiculous Obsession pic or yours? Shows how short-sighted you are when it comes to discussing anything.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

"Because it shows again how terribly the American people were misled


Talk to the hand.....Talk to the Hand




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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 1172 times:

I can call everyone a hypocrit without anything coming back on me, even though I have been the pot calling the kettle black several times. I can say "says a lot about you" with impunity, because I am a LWAK and all the rest of you are wrong, period. Also, someone telling both sides to get over their obsessions clearly, must be a RWAK. All true Americans love to pointlessly flame each other about politics to the point that most normal people stop caring.

Signed,
Falcon84


maybe if you stopped and put together a well thought out thread with supporting documentation showing something real instead of posting a new thread every time some news source puts out a anti-Bush (anti-Kerry) article people might pay attention. Maybe if you weren't so friggin one sided, people would pay attention. Clearly in your eyes Kerry is perfect and Bush can do nothing right, that really ruins your credibility.

Have you looked at these threads lately? it is the same 15-20 people saying the exact same things in both the RWAK and LWAK threads, and I am posting the obsession pic for both sides, so don't feel special.


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

Shows how short-sighted you are when it comes to discussing anything.

No, actually it shows how short-sighted you are. You think people still care, you think you might change peoples minds. The intelligent debates ended months ago and now all we get are the same people flinging the same poo back and fourth. Nobody is going to change their mind on who they are voting for, especially over some weak article they read on an aviation message board posted by someone who demonstrates time and time again they are anything but objective.

Go find some change and call some people who care.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

I can call everyone a hypocrit without anything coming back on me, even though I have been the pot calling the kettle black several times. I can say "says a lot about you" with impunity, because I am a LWAK and all the rest of you are wrong, period. Also, someone telling both sides to get over their obsessions clearly, must be a RWAK. All true Americans love to pointlessly flame each other about politics to the point that most normal people stop caring.

Signed,
Falcon84


maybe if you stopped and put together a well thought out thread with supporting documentation showing something real instead of posting a new thread every time some news source puts out a anti-Bush (anti-Kerry) article people might pay attention. Maybe if you weren't so friggin one sided, people would pay attention. Clearly in your eyes Kerry is perfect and Bush can do nothing right, that really ruins your credibility.

Have you looked at these threads lately? it is the same 15-20 people saying the exact same things in both the RWAK and LWAK threads, and I am posting the obsession pic for both sides, so don't feel special....

...Shows how short-sighted you are when it comes to discussing anything.

No, actually it shows how short-sighted you are. You think people still care, you think you might change peoples minds. The intelligent debates ended months ago and now all we get are the same people flinging the same poo back and fourth. Nobody is going to change their mind on who they are voting for, especially over some weak article they read on an aviation message board posted by someone who demonstrates time and time again they are anything but objective.

Go find some change and call some people who care.


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That picture sure does sum you up!  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

Captoveur:

Clearly, you are having a problem with my posts. Too bad. I am not gonna stop posting because you don't like them. Contact a Moderator or Johan himself if you believe I am doing something against forum-rules.

Again, Captoveur, this is a discussion board and I come here to do just that, just as other people on this board. I might agree with them or I might not, but I can only find out through discussion. When I first joined this board 3 years ago, there were some posters who I believed were the typical 'right-wing nuts'. If it weren't for the numerous discussion I've had with these people over those past 3 years, I'd probably still have that same opinion, but I don't. I've learned from their opinions and, to me, that's what this is all about.

You accuse me of being one-sided and pro-Kerry. You're wrong. I am anti-Bush but not pro-Kerry. If you would have really participated in the discussions I've had over the past 3 years, you'd have known that.



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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 1139 times:

Clearly, you are having a problem with my posts. Too bad. I am not going to stop posting because you don't like them. Contact a Moderator or Johan himself if you believe I am doing something against forum-rules.


Clearly you have a problem with my posts, I will not be stopping posting them either, you can cry to the moderators or even Johan, but I will stop when you (and your cronies) do.

Yes, it is a discussion board. I am glad you realized that. But the intelligent discussions on the topic at hand ended months ago I think most of the rest of the board realized that but there are still a few people who keep posting this crap and every thread decays into a pointless flamewar within 10 replys. The moderating staff has let most of the users here down with controlling the political BS so I guess someone needs to step up and let the political nutcases know there are message boards on the internet that exist just for discussing politics, maybe you could go find one of those?

"I am anti-Bush but not pro-Kerry."

6 of one, a half dozen of the other, you are still one sided.


User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

Captoveur:


"But the intelligent discussions on the topic at hand ended months ago..."


Are you a Moderator now? Is it up to you now to assess what is and what isn't an intelligent discussion? As far as I know, you are NOT a moderator, and you are therefor not in the position to assess whether this is or will become an intelligent discussion or not.



"I think most of the rest of the board..."

YOU THINK most of the rest of the board', but HOW THE HECK DO YOU KNOW? Just because there's a handfull of other people out there who apparently have a similar opinion on these subjects, does not mean the rest of the board thinks the same! There's only ONE way to find that out:

discussion [Show phonetics]
noun [C or U]
when people talk about something and tell each other their ideas or opinions:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/


"...realized that but there are still a few people who keep posting this crap...

So you don't want other people to post what you believe is crap? That doesn't sound very democratic, Captoveur.

"...and every thread decays into a pointless flamewar within 10 replys."

Perhaps because people like you post completely off-topic replies by reply # 5?



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