Nonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1315 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1971 times:
I am still undecided and agree that this is really a choice between the lesser of two evils. I too agree think Bush is right on some issues while Kerry is right about others. Therefore, like many Americans, my vote will go towards what I think will cause the least amount of damage.
I also am in the same situation Slider is in. It is a foregone conclusion that my state (Texas) will lean to one candidate (Bush). If you really want your vote to matter this time around, you need to live in one of those battleground states.
N317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1953 times:
I can't decide whether to vote for Bush, or not vote at all. But no way in hell can I vote for Kerry. Why:
His return from Vietnam
His tour of the Senate (useless)
I have a plan. (what is it)
I have a better plan than Dubya. (what is it)
His wife (First ladies need at least an ounce of class)
Pretty boy John (not just a wanna be model, but a lawyer on top of it)
"my vote will go towards what I think will cause the least amount of damage"
Are you talking least amount of damage in the US or abroad?
Corpsnerd09 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
These are their official sites. The plans are outlined there (what is it? read and find out), you can read both of them.
I was undecided, but after looking both issues, John Kerry presented himself best to me. Of course, I have traditionally been left (this is the first election where I can vote, though), but Bush seems way too right winged for me. Plus, I hate how he acts sometimes and it's not just when he's absent minded. His comments have angered me many times.
If you really want to do it, you will find a way; if you don't, you'll make excuses.
Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11454 posts, RR: 73
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1867 times:
Here are my basic issues with Kerry.
He has brought shame upon himself and his comrades in arms by his behaviour after his premature return from Vietnam. People can argue all they want about his tour of service. I have heard from his gunner that he was less than he made himself out to be, I have heard from the SF NCO he rescued he is a hero. He may have been both, but I was not there, and he went regardless of his motivation. What he did afterward by meeting with the Vietnamese outside of government sanction lent aid and comfort to our enemies at a time of war, and that is treason if anything is. His stories about war crimes (which if true should have seen him in LEavenworth or worse) did cause harm to our side and brought further injury to our POWs while in captivity. I am certainly not about to call a group of POWs liars if they say that his words were thrown in their faces while being tortured by their captors. I have also heard from many anti-war activists that the POWs were war criminals and deserved what they got. This puts Kerry and his supporters ON THIS ISSUE (read that) in very bad boat (no pun intended).
He has a tax plan that says only people or couples making over $200k will have their taxes raised. Well there are alot of people who are middle class business owners, myself included, in that boat. We are the ones who support the consumer based economy in this country because we are the ones who employ most of the citizenry as well as spend the most money on consimer goods. Take our income away and there will be less hiring and less spending. The economy will go down. THe bubble that supported a huge number of BS jobs in the IT sector, those 60K jobs that people could not really describe to me what they did when they came to me looking for work in 2000 and 2001, is gone and we are better off for it. The new jobs are real and not based on IPO money or wishes.
Plus what Kerry proposes in terms of programs will cost more than the expected return from the tax cut rollbacks he proposes to demand. WHere will this money come from? Simple, he will demand higher taxes on everyone making over $150k, then $100k. Its easy to get these if he plays the class warfare card. People who have the $500 a week jobs often do not see what has gone into the creation of the business where they work. I know this for a fact, as I used to be minimum wage, and now own a business where I have a varied work force. I have seen both ends, and I just had to have a conversation with an employee who thought that I was loaded and could well afford to give him an advance to pay for satellite tv. He did not understand about payroll and other expenses. He was also trying to explain to me why he wants to vote for Kerry. "He'll get us stuff!, like free insurance". Nothing is free and it will come from somewhere, and inevitably trickle down to the lowest common denominator.
Kerry also cannot seem to help talking down to people and cannot give a straight answer. He votes and speaks only after considering the direction of the political wind and then later slick talks his way out of whatever foolishness he has gotten himself into.
Kerry's senate record is less than distinguished. He has gotten very little done, and the support he has among Dems is mostly the 'anyone-but-Bush' crowd,
President Bush and his team has irritated me by their failure to communicate well with the American people, and by their missteps in handling the run-up to the war. There were plenty of ways to show how the Iraqis were a problem to be dealt with without relying so heavily on the WMD possession. I have no doubt that there are WMDs somewhere, or else why would Hussein have spent so much time moving papers and files, hiding the mobile labs (which were found cleaned to the metal, why so clean?). We should have said that he either has them or is planning to get them again and the resolve of the UN is faltering to the point that our own allies are setting up contracts with them. The inability to craft the message, which was admittedly not helped by a hostile world press was very frustrating.
President Bush and his team also do not seem to learn from their communication missteps and take the initiative after things happen.
Bush's advisors did not set up the post Iraq situation as well as could have been done. Hindsight is 20/20, but this is the point of the debate where I would have said, "Yes, we did...I did, because the buck stops here, make a mistake in not forcefully enough stating my case to our allies that a free Iraq is worht fighting for and if they want this they need to help us make it work. THe invasion is over, come on in and help. If you don't do this our politically aware adversaries will snipe and strike at us constantly in an effort to wear us down. COme in and bring your military, police, and other aid to help rebuild this country and show the people here how a truly free world will come to their aid in their moment of need to help them achieve their liberty and democratic franchise. Put our past differences behind us and work for this honorable goal. We can discuss our differences and settle our disputes elsewhere, but here and now we are at a crossroads. Lets do the right thing, and defeat the forces of tyranny and oppression." IF directly appealed to to the people of Europe and their governments we would have more than what we have now, which is 2/3ds of the governments of Europe activley participating in the effort, some to the point of taking casualties. We could have swayed some of the media to our side and increased public support for our cause, while decreasing hope for the terrorists." Thats what I would have said.
President Bush, while an honorable man, is not the worlds greatest complex orator. He is a man who communicates well to crowds in person, but he does not always make the best public image. He is not stupid as so many wish to think he is, but he is not as polished as some lawyers who learn to argue both sides of a case can be. I like Bush's fault here better than I like Kerrys ability to forcefully argue both sides of any topic, however.
With the pros and cons I see, I am supporting President Bush again, because he is right about most of what has been happening, economically and militarily, and Kerry has been two faced and acted dishonorably in a politically opportunistic way that reflects on a basic character flaw I do not wish to see in a man who is our President.
Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11454 posts, RR: 73
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1808 times:
I already signed up to be on the notification list. I might not be on the first round of trips, but I am going into space. My wife says I spend two thirds of my time there already.
I got an im from a fellow anutter today who told me he had sent his absentee ballot in today, but wondered if he was pissing up a rope due to the fact that his home state was leaning the other direction as his candidate. I hope everyone knows that when its this close every vote will count, and that the polls prior to the election mean nothing compared to the polls we will enter on Nov.2.
I kind of wish I was voting in one of the swing states, because I could get more involved. I will be volunteering for my guy here at home, and have sent money elsewhere. Everyone who understands the issues should get involved here.