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User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 962 times:

Will you support whomever wins the Presidential election? I think everyone can agree that once the election is over that we have at least 4 years of a leader who will be faced with serious challenges and will need the support of the entire country and world.

Will you support the next president, regardless of who it is?


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User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1598 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 951 times:

Can you really support someone with who you fundamentally disagree?

They seem pretty much diametrically opposed on many issues, so if you support one and he loses, can you really follow willingly behind the other?


Mark



All my life, I've been kissing, your top lip 'cause your bottom one's missing
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 922 times:

If, God forbid, Kerry were to win.... yes, I would [extremely reluctantly] support him as our President.

But I loathe even the thought of such an occurence.


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 909 times:

Yes, Not that I have much choice in the matter. I have no plans of leaving my country in the event we elect the ambiguously gay duo.

It takes more than a President to ruin a country.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 893 times:

What does it mean to "support" a president? Once he's elected, I have no saying in what he does, no matter how opposed I am to it.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 869 times:

It's more a social (and ins ome instances, idealistic) thing than political.


Basically, what he appears to be asking, is are you gonna be the type who'd whine about "stolen election" four years later? Or are you going to be the "I don't agree with him, but our troops are over there" type?


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 854 times:

What do you mean by support?

After Bush was sworn in, I told myself that he would get the benefit of the doubt as I was made to believe that he had made a reputation for himself for working both sides of the aisle in Texas. So, I waited to see his performance before I decided to judge or condemn him. Alas, within a few months he showed himself to be a puppet of right wing social conservatives.

If Bush wins again (as I suspect he will), life will go on and I will accept him as the President. But he will not get my support on issues I fundamentally disagree with him on.


User currently offlinePhxairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 844 times:

"Will you support the next president, regardless of who it is?"

The same way I do now, watch him on tv. And vote for whoever I want to be president again in 4 years. While Kerry may be the opposite of what I believe, there is no way I would not support my country if he is elected. The leader of my country does not change the fact that I am an American, and the fact that I am a citizen. If I ever recieve the call to defend my country, regardless of who the president is, I will answer. Besides its not like we can stop paying taxes or following laws because we don't like who's in office. (Without getting punished.)


User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 813 times:

The support I am speaking of is the basic attitude and voice with which we speak in our everyday lives. What we do as citizens in our daily discourse has an effect on what other people think. The cryers and whiners, and when Clinton was in I was certainly a bitcher, who actively campaign against everything President Bush has done have certainly not helped our country by their constant negativity. The people who wait for the slightest appearance of a misstep to pounce on their opponent weakens them and thus the nation when that person is President.

There is a difference between being the loyal opposition who will have their say, but then fall in with the troops on the march (i.e. Wendell Willkie in WWII, who was pretty sure Roosevelt was a socialist, but supported him during the worst parts of the war with Pearl Harbor, Kasserine, the uncertainty at Guadalcanal) and being the people that work actively to undermine what the President is doing.

Our expressed attitudes and opinions, and the manner in which they are put out has an effect on other peoples confidence and decision making. It affects our political will, our economy, and other nations and peoples' opinion of us. It also lends aid and comfort to our enemies when we give them reason to doubt our resolve by denigrating the office of President and the holder of that office. The people who sought to cast President Bush as illegitimate due to the court battles after the election, even after the media recounts were held a year after the election showed Bush won, hurt us byt helping our enemies hold hope that we would middle and wallow instead of being resolute in our pursuit of our enemies.

I will still defend a persons right to say that with which I disagree, to the death if need be....but that does not obviate our responsibility, defined by the Supreme COurt a long time ago, to not yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 810 times:

Support, or accept the outcome? I do NOT support the policies of George W. Bush in many areas, such as Iraq and much of his policies on the economy. I just do not.

There is no "honeymoon" this time, if Bush is elected, and most people who oppose his policies will be ready to point out his shortcomings much more vigorously this time.

I will support him on issues that I find myself in agreement with him; but overall, I will not and do not support his policies.

And personally, I don't think he's going to win re-election, but we'll find out in about 12 days.


User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 803 times:

Its the same as an argument between my brother and I. If we are having a knock down drag out fight, fine. The second someone else comes after one of us we defend each other to the hilt.

We had some of that after 9-11, but it got lost in the politics. I think that the bickering over right or wrong in Iraq lets the enemy think we are likely to pull out and gives them the resolvet to hunker down and stay, instead of giving up or moving out. Can this be disputed with logic?




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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 800 times:

I think that the bickering over right or wrong in Iraq lets the enemy think we are likely to pull out and gives them the resolvet to hunker down and stay, instead of giving up or moving out. Can this be disputed with logic?

Problem is that neither man has said, in the short term that we CAN pull out of Iraq, and both of them are right. One candidate defends his decision to go to Iraq,and the other derides it, and THAT is where the battle line on Iraq is drawn. Most of us agree we have to make Iraq work. But there's a deep split on 1. Whether we should have gone in, in the first place, and 2. If we're safer because of that action. I'm in the "nay" column on both of those.


User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 792 times:

If it is President Kerry, I will most certainly support the President.

I may disagree on his stance on certain issues but as President he would get the utmost respect that he and his office require. Yes, that is REQUIRE.

I certainly would not call him some of the names I see people call our current President. Again it is respect.

After all, we both have sworn an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States. Our aim in the end is he same.










User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 788 times:

Commnader_rabb, that was as good a post as I've ever read from you. Nicely done, and I agree with you 100%.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29841 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 784 times:

Well, if Kerry where to be elected, I am sure the Republicans are going to take a cue from the spoilt brats and the democratic party headquarters and start campaigning against him for the 2008 election.


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 776 times:

Well, if Kerry where to be elected, I am sure the Republicans are going to take a cue from the spoilt brats and the democratic party headquarters and start campaigning against him for the 2008 election.

Spoiled brats, eh? That's pretty funny.

And I think you must be getting some amnesia, L-188. You surely remember back to November, 1992, when the GOP started an 8 1/2 year blitz against then-President Elect Bill Clinton, and it never let up.

You see, if the Democrats do that, Republicans really have no one but themselves to blame, for they set the precedent with the unending, unyielding two-term character assassination of Bill Clinton. Those you support are the uneqiivocal masters at that, and it's a live-and-learn world, isn't it?

Turnaround would be fair play, and I think, unless Bush gets Iraq and the economy really going in the right direction (which neither are), then you can bet what you fear will come to pass.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29841 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 764 times:

Clinton brought his own problems on himself.

Which is what brough around the republican revolution of 1994, if you recall.




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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 755 times:

Clinton brought his own problems on himself.

Horseshit, I'm sorry to say. They started attacking the man, before he had even taken the oath of office! And Vince Foster? Ron Brown? Travelgate? "WhiteWatergate" (first time we spent $70 million investigating a couple that had lost money in a land deal)? Clinton brought all that on yourself. Don't be such a fool!!

On healthcare, and the Lewinsky scandal, you're right, Clinton brought that on himself, and rightly so. But the other stuff? You're on another planet.

And don't tell me that fib again about not being a Republican.


User currently offlineStaffan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 729 times:

At least Clinton had the guts to stand up and admit he made a mistake.

Staffan


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