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What's the best, quickest way to back up my files?  
User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4903 times:
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I only recently learned (tragically) the importance of backing up my files.

I havea home desktop but burning onto a CD every once in a while is a pain and those CDs have little room on them.

Whats a better alternative to saveing and backing up data? I would rather not have those tapes either.


thanks, I welcome the advice.

Mirrodie


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User currently offlineAvianceGirlUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4903 times:

Erm, Mirrodie are you drunk???
Your topic makes NO sense LOL...


User currently offlineMYT332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

A CD holds 650-700mb where as a DVD can hold 4700mb (4300mb formatted), so get yourself a DVD burner and a few DVD-R's and knock yourself out. Granted it costs a lot but it's worth it.

I back up to DVD as well as over our network to another machine, I.E, all my music, photos and movies (My Documents) are on both my deskop and notebook computers.

Happy backing up!

I only recently learned (tragically) the importance of backing up my files.
That's a hard day most of us go through, I feel for ya.  Sad



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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4727 times:

"I only recently learned (tragically) the importance of backing up my files"

I have almost been in that situation with a dieing hard drive, but luckily managed to back up all my stuff on one of it's good days - phew !!!.

Now got a new 80gb hard drive, bit change from my 10gb drive I had previously !!.

 Smile



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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4719 times:

Buy a second harddisk, and back up to that one. From the research I've done, it doesn't cost much more than buying a bunch of CDs.  Smile

Thom@s



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User currently offlineThecoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4713 times:

I bought a computer for 200 dollars at a garage sale. I have it hooked up wirelessly to my network. If I want to reformat my computer, I back everything up on there. I also use it as a server for mp3s and my web cams. Totally worth it  Smile

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days ago) and read 4703 times:

I´ve switched to backing up on DVD-RWs (rotating between two or three disks).

Another alternative would be an external FireWire harddrive.


User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4673 times:

I have also gone through the painful experience, eventhough my server has a 40GB back up tape. My instructions were to back up at least once a week,... I guess lazyness played a great role.
Since the defective HD contained nearly 2 months of work, I opted to send it to a company specialized in data recovery.

Big business !
You pay a (solid) fee in advance whatever the outcome.
Since it was negative, it became a double loss.

Now I back up on HD, on CD (all files in final form) and the often used work files are also on a Iomega Zip.


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4607 times:
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I once heard about a firewire device for data storage? Would that be a good idea?

OK, I have a 120 GB hard drive and right now, it has 94.5 Gb of free space left on it.

One guy once suggested that I "partition" my harddrive into sections and keep one with all the data as a back up??

how would i even begin to do that?

thanks,

Mirrodie



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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

A second hard drive works for me

User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

One guy once suggested that I "partition" my harddrive into sections and keep one with all the data as a back up??

If your entire HD would give up, you would still loose everything then.

Best way to go about is to burn everything to 2 DVD CDs. One of the two would be a backup if the other one would f*ck up.

It is always better to be safe than sorry!


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4562 times:
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Best way to go about is to burn everything to 2 DVD CDs. One of the two would be a backup if the other one would f*ck up.


two DVD CD's?? I have a CD burner and never got around to getting a DVD burner. DO I require a DVD burner? OR is it as simple as using Roxio data CD creator and burning to a DVD?

bottom line, I need a DVD burner?


WHat of the Firewire?



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User currently offlineMYT332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

Ok he means two DVD-R discs. They are different to a CD, so you can't just use your CD-RW burner to write to DVD-R discs. Like I said they hold a whole lot more than a CD but you'll need to buy the DVD-RW burner first.

It's probably the best option for the home user as it's fairly quick, cheap and you can also store these disks at another property incase your house burns down, ok well maybe that's a little bit extreme but its true. Data is very important to some people right?

As for Firewire, well it is just a bus type from apple. Since your a PC guy you're probably better off with USB2, it's basically the same. So i'm talking about getting a USB2 External Hard Drive yea. You can then copy all your files to that. This is how I back up files on my iMac, although I use a firewire Hard drive but anyway, you'd be better off with a DVD-RW for your pc IMHO.

I can envision you scratching your head at the moment saying "WTF?!" but it's not that comlicated. Just go buy a DVD-RW and get backing up.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

First of all, it depends on the amount of data you actually need to back up regularly.

If it´s well below 700MB, DVDs would just be overkill.

One other point: DVDs do not have multi-session capability, so you can only burn one single session to each disk, even if you´re only using a few megabytes of data. With RWs it doesn´t matter all that much: You can erase and re-use them.

But a multi-session CD (RW) may often be more convenient than a DVD.

If you need larger amounts of data to be backed up, the primary alternatives would indeed be DVD (RW) or an external harddisk.

You´ll find external DVD burners and harddisks for both USB2 or FireWire.

Although nominally USB2 should be as fast or faster than FireWire, in practice FireWire is much faster than USB2 (USB has lots of overhead which drags the usable speed way down). And FireWire2 is twice as fast again.


User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

Just buy a second Hard Drive. You can get a decent one for about the same price as a DVD burner, and it doesn't require the expensive DVD's that a burner would.


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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Well, if you only have a CD burner...

Pick up a pack of 15 700mb blank CDs, and spend some time backing your files up on as many of them as it takes. It's not the easiest, but probaby the safest. Remember, backup hardrives can fail as well.




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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4483 times:
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burning a bunch of data on 700 MB Cd's sees like a pain in the ass, esp if they are not reusable.

I have aabout 3.5 Gb of stuff I have to back up. Having known that, what do you suggest? What is easy and relatively quick?



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User currently offlineChrisdigo From Sweden, joined Oct 2003, 181 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

Two different and network connected computers with Windows and the sync software "SyncBack". You can schedule the sync when you want, what you want and how often you want. It's safe, quick and automated.

http://www.2brightsparks.com/syncback/


User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4453 times:
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Is this a good way to go?



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Fastest, easiest, constantly backed up, would be to mirror the drive in a RAID 1 configuration. RAID Level 1 provides redundancy by duplicating all data from one drive on another drive. This is done without any intervention on the user's part. It happens on each write cycle. The performance of a level 1 array is only slightly better than a single drive, but if either drive fails, no data is lost.

Next fastest method would be to another drive over your network. CD's and DVD's are acceptable, just slow.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

JeffM: The performance of a level 1 array is only slightly better than a single drive

No, its write performance is significantly worse than that of a single disk, since data needs to be written to both redundant disks separately. Exception: A dedicated multi-channel RAID controller can do it transparently. But in a small system you generally won´t have one of these.

When you´re using a background backup process that´s "copying behind" while your system is idling anyway you´ll have some lag but no significant performance hit. There are backup software solutions which offer services like that. You´d still need a second harddisk, of course.


User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

Here's what I do; maybe it will help or inspire someone over there.

Keep in mind: I'm a freelance consultant working mostly from my home computer, so my computer is worth a lot to me. Also, I'm heading a small, non for profit, private kindergarten, which also adds to the information I have to manage.

First of, it takes discipline. I regularly get rid of all useless files.

Second, I'm very organized. All my files are kept in their own folder. All files that I need for client A are kept in a folder "Client A". And when I'm sure that I won't have to work on this client until next year, I get rid of all useless files and I zip the others.

Third, I buy my software, no bootlegs here. Therefore, if my HD gives up on me, I'll have everything I need to re-install them. So I don't have to back the software up.

Fourth, I bought a 100 megs, USB driven IOMega zip drive. With 2 diskettes, it cost me under 200$CDN (160$ US). With all the discipline I put myself to, I can back-up all my important files on a 100 megs diskette. Backing up those files becomes a simple drag-and-drop operation and it takes 5-6 minutes. If ever I have additional needs, I'll simply split my files on two diskettes.

If ever my HD dies (which happened two years ago), yes I would lose a few things. First, I'd lost my personal emails. But, for all my business emails I use Lycos, which is much safer, hardware wise. I'd also lose some other files, such as recipes; I can live with those losts. I'd also lost some files related to some games I play, such as FS. Fine, I can live with that risk too. And so on. In my case, I don't think it's worth buying a 1000$ piece of hardware just to back-up recipe or FS related files.

And, also, re-installing everything will be a pain in the neck. But I figure losing your HD is already a pain, so it doesn't add that much to the initial pain.

In other words, for the cost of legally acquiring my software and 200$ worth of hardware, I'm pretty well covered. It's not perfect, but it is a cheap way of doing it, it forces some discipline on me and it's very easy and time efficient.



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4411 times:
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I reviewed all the options you;ve discussed and talked it over with the support guy what works our server in my office...

and what makes the most sense to me is to back up to an external hard drive with usb or firewire capability.

Now.....I have a Dell 8250 and I think i have a 1394 port, but how can I clarify this?


And really, whats faster? the usb 2.0 or the firewire?



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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

Firewire. Hands down.

User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4407 times:

Now.....I have a Dell 8250 and I think i have a 1394 port, but how can I clarify this?

Look for a socket like this on the back of your computer:




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25 J_hallgren : I bought an external CD-RW drive for my laptop for use as backup about 18 months ago...made only one backup so far...realized that using a USB flash d
26 Post contains images Mirrodie : OK, so I looked and saw that port last night (thanks for the photo you posted) and saw that I have 3 of those similar looking ports.....but only once
27 Mirrodie : That socket in the photo... is it possible that it might be for something other than 1394?
28 Klaus : Mirrodie: That socket in the photo... is it possible that it might be for something other than 1394? Not that I knew of. If the plug fits without havi
29 Mirrodie : looks life Firewire is out since external backups can fail... dvds hold 4700 mb,....hows that translate to Gbs? Also, does it make a difference DVD-R
30 Post contains images MYT332 : 4700MB = 4.7GB DVD-R'S = Write once DVD-RW'S = Write many times If you use DVD-RW'S you can keep backing up at weekly intervals to the same disk, addi
31 Klaus : Mirrodie: looks life Firewire is out since external backups can fail... All backups can fail! Mirrodie: dvds hold 4700 mb,....hows that translate to G
32 Mirrodie : Well it sounds like DVD would be SAFEST, no? I mean all backups acan fail, but hte only failure I can envision with the DVD back up option is that you
33 Post contains images UTA_flyingHIGH : There is no foolproof way as even burned media (CD's, DVD's, etc..) can go bad over time. Best is to be proactive and install do a automatic Ghost ima
34 HAWK21M : Buy a second HDD. regds MEL
35 Mirrodie : Best is to be proactive and install do a automatic Ghost image every once in a while, or better yet, have a RAID system installed on your computer. Ho
36 Post contains images Saxdiva : How can a CD or DVD fail? Well, they can get attacked, for starters: I've got a RAID array on this system (my motherboard has onboard RAID support), b
37 Post contains images Klaus : Canarsie VOR: I just bought a new desktop and was wondering how I would transfer my files from my old hard drive to the new one. With Macs, you simply
38 Mirrodie : I am very much interested in this RAID concept, but where do I begin? It sounds even better than a DVD burner with firewire
39 Klaus : A RAID array has advantages... but one of the disadvantages is that an electric surge, for instance, can kill your entire array in one stroke - primar
40 Mirrodie : Well, spoke to my IT guy again and though he uses all the above, he stll swears by and it always talking me into those magnetic tapes. Those 40Gb magn
41 COIAHLGW : In my computer, I have 2 hard drives, and use Ghost each week to make a complete clone of my original hard drive. I know in theory there's a possibili
42 Mirrodie : I see the cons of using magnetic tapes, but what are the pros? I mean, our office's Computer guy is really advocating magnetic tapes to be saved in a
43 Dash8King : If you back up somethign on CD that has a virus will the virus then go along with it? Also I am trying to remove a virus but it says to open a host wi
44 Klaus : Dash8King: If you back up somethign on CD that has a virus will the virus then go along with it? Depends on where the active component of the virus is
45 Mirrodie : the guy who works our network in my office is giving me the advice. he swears by mag tapes. I though external drive or dvds were the best option. so f
46 Post contains images Klaus : Mirrodie: the guy who works our network in my office is giving me the advice. he swears by mag tapes. In most cases, that´s way, way over the top. Ta
47 WhiteHatter : A second hard drive is a neat solution as they are cheap and easy to install. 200GB or more is available, 120GB ones common and inexpensive. Same with
48 Klaus : Please remember that on a screwup such as bad cable connection or another hardware malfunction you will run the risk of losing integrity of both the o
49 Post contains links and images Splitzer : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Personally, I'd say your choice was between the DVD Writer and Tape Drive,
50 ReguPilot : As Splitzer said, a DVD RW is better, since it is less likely to be damaged compared to hard drives. You can do the RAID thing, but still have chances
51 Post contains links WhiteHatter : Splitzer DVD-R disks are a lot cheaper than that! I pay about 23p each for Datawrite or Ritek 8x DVD-R format. The rewritables can be found for sixty
52 Post contains images Splitzer : Those prices were a rough estimate, on the high side for pre packaged ones - the kind you'd find in PC World.I know about those bulk DVD's, I know peo
53 Dash8King : Oh sorry Norton's directions on how to remove it include opening a host with Notepad but notepad seems not to be working.
54 Mirrodie : Klaus, Splitzer, all of you, thanks so much for all the input. I truly appeciate it all. I am still mulling over all the options until we move in a mo
55 Post contains images Klaus : Mirrodie, glad to have contributed to your further confusion... Good luck for the move and all the best in your new home!
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