Bofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2153 times:
It seems that people who watch "Fox News" know less of what ACTUALLY happens in the world than people who watch other channels like CBS, ABC etc. How? "Fox News" lie to you...! "Fox News" say: "We report, you decide". That is wrong! "We decide, and you do as we say" should be the real slogan.
So why do you watch it??????????????????????????
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1967 times:
While I unfortunately cannot watch anything more than the webcasts on the Fox News website, I find it a valuable source of information. If you watch CNN, and then the report on the same incident on Fox, there will frequently be little tidbits of information that got left out of CNN's report, because it did not fit their editorial slant.
And a poll from the FT seems to indicate that it is in fact more balanced than other stations, in terms of how many people from either side of the spectrum trust it. Taking the poll numbers on credibility, it appears to be 5 points to the right of center. CNN is 19 points to the left, NBC is 13 points to the left, ABC is 18 points to the left, and CBS is again 19 points to the left of center. The difference to you might be striking because you are not used to hearing news that is not so left-leaning, which you now think is fair. It's called brainwashing, and the media have done it for years.
All the networks should be watched, and the more diverse their opinions, the better. It is impossible to be entirely objective on all issues, so the best you can do is watch all of them, and know that the real truth is somewhere between the two.
Derico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1922 times:
I've actually watched all major news networks of the US.
Yes, it's true that MSNBC skews pro-left, Hardball is harsher on conservatives than liberals. It's true that FOX skews pro-right, Hannity and Colmes is dominated by Sean Hannity's daily GOP fillibusters. CNN? They used to be left of center but ever since Fox News rose they have tamed somewhat to compete. That is not the problem IMO, and I've mentioned this before. Private companies should be allowed to spouse whatever ideologies they wish.
The problem is that the US media claims to be fair and objective. And they go further: they actually boast on being more objective than media in the rest of the world, and they call European media 'biased'. I've heard this certainly on FOX, also on MSNBC, less so on CNN but nontheless have.
That's were they cross the line. US media is not fair and objective, end of story. If you watched only them, you would conclude that the United States is always right and everyone else is always wrong... The US must be populated by a race of infallible Gods. That's just pathetic. I can give 10 examples of this. They do a good job on investigative stories, like the UN corruption, etc, but do no investigations at all of their own local corruption.
Currently, European media has anti-American tones, at least from what I have watched, though much of that is more anti-Bush than anti-American (which in a way can't be separated). I can't say if Euro news outlets are claiming to be fair and objective, but if they are they are wrong too.
My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
Well, once again CFalk has re-earned his respect rating from me. I am a person who will happily stand and refute your claim that Fox News viewers are misinformed and stupid.
The slant from CNN grew more obvious over the last six or seven years and can be identified with their editorial decisions including the Tailwind episode, to which I can speak as I met the guy prior to all that and knew after 5 minutes he was full of crap. The political bent of the producers at CNN has been well known and creeps, hell sometimes it flows into their stories.
I do agree with the above poster who said one must search through all the channels to see what stories are being slanted and which way. Usually the only reliable means to verify is to find out the common things being said by all.
I have found Fox News to be the ones that point out factual parts of stories not reported by other news agencies that seem to affect how the story will be interpreted. No one does this with Fox, as they usually don't leave out pertinent facts. THeir editorial and feature players come from both ends, and there are not many hardcore political operatives who work in the media while working the media. At least Fox's commentators don't play both sides of the reporting fence. I think it is nothing more than a political endorsement to employ a paid political operative of one side or the other. Talk show hosts who owe allegiance to the network and their viewers of either political persuasion are one thing, paid advisors to the Kerry campaign working for CNN is another.
Iakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1833 times:
None of your global news channels is really interested in journalism.
All of them are huge conglomerates targeting audiences and making their advertising time as sellable and as expensive as possible.
Business interests are what colors your screens, not apolitical journalism or the primitive "just reporting what I saw with my two eyes", especially in these highly "patriotic" times. End of story.
CNN has followed an interesting center>right>center>left navigation in the last years. I guess all their anchormen/women have gone through regular retraining courses.
Fox employees on the other hand remained straight on their course, just past the edge of the tolerable.
Nancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1796 times:
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf This is probably the study that Bofredrik is referring to, sorry I can't cut and paste, it's a PDF. In general the study analyzes people's beliefs about the reasons for going to war with Iraq - cooperation with Al Qaeda, WMDs as well as world opinion of the US. The Fox viewers had the most misperceptions. More of them thought that there were proven strong ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda, that we had found large stockpiles of WMDs and that world opinion was much higher of the US than it really is. They also analyzed the results accounting for education and political affiliation. It's actually pretty interesting.
Kohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1654 times:
My beef with Fox News isn't its slant.. it's the fact that it's not really news.
All Fox News has done is to televise talk radio.
Take your everyday newscast.. it *used to go* something like this:
Anchor: "Today in Bosnia, there was... from Sarajevo, here's...." and you'd see a story from Bosnia.
Anchor: "In other news, there was an election today in Mexico.. from Mexico City, here's...." and you'd see a story from Mexico.
Basically, the news gave you the news. What Fox News does is closer to this:
Anchor: "Stunning developments today in the Scott Peterson trial.. we're going to spend the next 15 minutes with four 'experts' to tell us what they think about it." Inevitably, those people will end up arguing. And everyone likes to watch people argue with each other - that's why reality tv is so popular.
After those 15 minutes are up, you'll get this:
Anchor: "John Kerry attacked the President's position on Iraq today... We're going to spend the next 15 minutes with four more 'experts' to 'analyze' today's events."
So, in actuality, it's not Fox News, it's Fox Opinion. To be fair, it may not be their opinion - though oftentimes it is - but it's someone's. This is the same format that a lot of local talk radio programs have used for some time now.
The problem is this: that format has become so popular it's the standard.. now CNN does the same thing.
If you think I'm way off here, watch either of those networks for one hour and count how many times you hear the phrase "I think".
Meanwhile, real news is relegated to a 60 second "hop around the globe." At this rate, we're going to see a resurgence in the popularity of newspapers, because some of us actually want to find out what's going on without an "I think" from somebody else.
Airplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1632 times:
I heard an interesting comment from Jon Stewart from the Daily Show (Comedy Central). I don't have a direct quote, but he said something like "The media isn't liberal...its lazy".
He is so right. The fact is, newspapers and television news shows are interested only in ratings. Their constant race for market share is the source of the nuttiness, not any liberal or conservative bias.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1629 times:
And explain to me why the so called "moderate mainstream US media" refuses to show the "Stolen Honor" documentary that shows how Kerry's Perjurous testimony about the Vietnam war was used by the Gooks to torture our servicemen being held prisoner.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.