EGGD From United Kingdom (England), joined Feb 2001, 12376 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4324 times:
lmao, I found the article hilarious! Hilarious and terrifying.
EGGD From United Kingdom (England), joined Feb 2001, 12376 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4285 times:
It was another tongue-in-cheek remark but obviously fervent Bush supporters are going to take offense.
Schoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 34 Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4233 times:
I wouldn't call THAT a call for an assassination. The guy's obviously not happy about Bush (I can't blame him), but all he does is write a humorous piece about what he thinks.
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
Commander_Rabb From United States, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4178 times:
The world will endure four more years of idiocy, arrogance and unwarranted bloodshed, with no benevolent deity to watch over and save us. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr - where are you now that we need you?
I am sorry but you just don't say things like that. It is a very poor choice of words and it's intent is to say that killing will solve the problem. Thus it IS a silly way to say assasination is the answer.
Just plain stupidity on the author, it's editor, the publication, and the people whop cant seem to see what the last sentence means.
I guess this author WILL have a meltdown come Nov. 3rd. Not to mention those who discount the last sentence.
Commander_Rabb From United States, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4162 times:
Yet if it had been on Kerry, or Clinton, you'd be rooting him on I'm sure.
It's just political humor.
That's a load of garbage. Political humor? You would not know humor if it whacked you upside the head!
Hahahahaha NOW THATS FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dl021 From United States, joined May 2004, 11050 posts, RR: 93 Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4159 times:
Any public call for assassination, even if intended as humor, is not only wrong but reprehensible. This writer in a fit of smug snideness, not only insults the President of the US, but calls for history's presidential assassins (actual and would be) thinking himself clever.
Imagine the consternation if a US editorial writer called for the assassination of a German or British leader. It is another example of the extreme European print media and their outrageous attempts to gain ascendancy over their competitors, damn the consequences.
Schoenarama...to pretend you don't understand is a bit disengenuous when your other posts indicate you would take great umbrage if it was someone suggesting a leader you liked needed killing. Todays climate does not lend itself well to irresponsible writing and public pleading. Its legal, but wrong. Try it with a private citizen and watch the lawsuits fly. Try it on a public official and see who the hypocrites are by their silence or denial of injury.
Commander_Rabb From United States, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4153 times:
It's a British newspaper, Commander. The Brits, fortunately, tend to take things a little less serious...
That's a pretty lame excuse for a poor choice of words. Those words can be read by Americans and others. It is not exclusively for English consumption.
EGGD From United Kingdom (England), joined Feb 2001, 12376 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4088 times:
Who said it was exclusively for English consumption? I would say the worse choice of words was the title of this topic, focusing on one comment and exaggerating it to the largest degree. Definitely a remark born out of sensationalism as when I clicked the link I assumed that the Guardian had begun some sort of campaign to get Bush assassinated. What I found was just some sniffling about mud flinging from across the pond. The most humourous thing is the hypocrisy (or perhaps more fitting, the irony), the mention of the whole bush/wire 'conspiracy'. Blown off by the Americans as nothing yet considered almost scandalous in the UK, quite the opposite to this thread where Americans are up in arms about a simple comment (parallel with a simple crease?).
Commander_Rabb From United States, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 11 Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4042 times:
exaggerating it to the largest degree.
Exaggerating? Are you serious? The words are right there in fine print. There is no exaggerating...it is a hard hitting comment that should and is being ridiculed as trash...British press trash. That fact, is the only "saving grace" on this whole issue.
Jcs17 From United States, joined Jun 2001, 7458 posts, RR: 50 Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4002 times:
Give me a fucking break. There is absolutely no humor in even joking about an assasination of a President. I could absolutely see the Euros rage if we talked about an assasination of one of their leaders. I don't think the article and sentence was done in jest. I mean, these are the same brain-deads who thought that they could try to influence a US election. Its just more mindless, anti-Bush drivel from those on the other side of the Atlantic--but its stuff that we're used to. It makes me want to shove it in your face even more when Bush does get re-elected.
Falcon84 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 14629 posts, RR: 79 Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3992 times:
Jcs17, why are you such a bitter, angry guy? I mean, give it a break, man, it was meant at humor. Maybe you didn't like it, and the last line was uncalled for, but no reason to start your own Jihad over it.
Commander_Rabb From United States, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3985 times:
It makes me want to shove it in your face even more when Bush does get re-elected.
I am not going to shove a Bush victory in anyone’s face but I sure am going to smile and watch a few people implode on their utter hate and disbelief of a Bush victory.
Commander_Rabb From United States, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 11 Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3979 times:
but no reason to start your own Jihad over it.
It is just that kind of language that causes those "jihad's".
Outrage has no bounds on this British Jackass and those who allow him to spout his stinky Brit media trash.
Schoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 34 Reply 25, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3965 times:
Dl021:
"Schoenarama...to pretend you don't understand is a bit disengenuous...
Oh, I do understand and I did read the article. But I never saw the 'Call for Assassination' you guys are so angry about.
"...when your other posts indicate you would take great umbrage if it was someone suggesting a leader you liked needed killing."
That's where you are wrong, for the mere fact that I don't believe the writer is calling for an assasination in the first place!
"Try it with a private citizen and watch the lawsuits fly."
Are you aware of the fact that those lawsuits are 'a typical American' thing?
Commander_Rabb:
"That's a pretty lame excuse for a poor choice of words. Those words can be read by Americans and others. It is not exclusively for English consumption."
Of course they can be read by jumpy Americans with no sense of humour at all. You've just proven that yourself!
"And you know it!"
I know what?
"Outrageous. You and the article!"
Been to France lately? The French know everything about outrageous behaviour by foreign press, foreign politicians...
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
26 Falcon84: Well somebody's editor is going to get be getting a call from the Secret Service. L-188, SuperSpy. ROTFL. Talk about over-reacting. Some of you are do
27 L-188: How in the hell an I over reacting? I am not placing the call or making the visit. But you can't deny that the Secret Service takes even claims in jus
28 Commander_Rabb: Oh, I do understand and I did read the article. But I never saw the 'Call for Assassination' you guys are so angry about. I guess you do not read or c
29 Falcon84: But you can't deny that the Secret Service takes even claims in just about these things very seriously. Well, maybe the SS is as paranoid as you are,
30 Airplay: Exaggerating? Are you serious? The words are right there in fine print. Just like all the Bushisms I've read. Are we now to take everything "comedian
31 Jcs17: Jcs17, why are you such a bitter, angry guy? There is absolutely no hypocrisy in that statement.
32 Captoveur: "Well, maybe the SS is as paranoid as you are," They are, maybe even moreso, because that is their job. If you doubt that make any kind of public thre
33 Commander_Rabb: This article is NOT a call for assassination. It is dark humour in the tradition of British tabloid publishing. In typical Brit pompous accent...Well
34 Techrep: From Secret Service web site: Attacks are the product of organized thinking and behavior Almost without exception, assassinations, attacks, and nearat
35 BN747: As is widely known, I'm no fan of Dubya, and brit humor or any kind of humor...that's just down right unnecessary and uncalled for for any professiona
36 Commander_Rabb: Bravo Tech...and bravo BN. I think as Americans, whatever the feelings towards our president, it is an affront to the office, and our nation, and to w
37 Falcon84: God, what a bunch of over-sensitive souls.
39 Techrep: My e-mail to the secret service: http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguide/columnists/story/0,,1333748,00.html I am very upset about the author of this news
40 Commander_Rabb: God, what a bunch of over-sensitive souls. Yeah so? Get a hint and understand how offensive this is. Get a grip Falcon and come down from your perch.
41 Commander_Rabb: Techrep, Great letter. One of the hundreds that was drafted to the Secret Service today I am sure. Thanks for showing our disgust in an official maner
42 Airplay: In typical Brit pompous accent...Well I say...that's bloody poor show eh what? OK...now I see the light. I'm sending an email to CSIS telling them tha
43 Commander_Rabb: South Park movie is a serious threat to Canadian security. They did call for the declaration of war against Canada. Are you for real? Probably.
44 BN747: God, what a bunch of over-sensitive souls. Falcon , you didn't call me that when I bashed Reagan before his body went cold. (you guys roasted me over
45 L-188: Actually the Canadains bombed the US remember....Killed all the Baldwin brothers. Now Canadian Bacon....that is where the US invaded Canada, but only
46 Sayem55: "John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr " Pardon my ignorance but I only know 1 out of these 3 i.e. Lee Harvey Oswald. I have a feelin
47 Vafi88: No matter how much I disagree with Bush, I don't think he should be assassinated... I respect him as a person, just as any sane person should, but it'
48 L-188: Booth shot Lincoln Hincley had a thing for Jodie Foster so he shot Reagan.
49 Mdsh00: Also adding on L-188 info about the other two shooters. Hinkley was a nutcase. His attempted assasination of Reagan led to the Brady Bill which introd
50 L-188: Yup, The Brady Bill. One of the worst offenses of civil liberities to ever come down the pike. Sometimes I think Johnny shot the wrong Brady.
51 Mdsh00: Yup, The Brady Bill. One of the worst offenses of civil liberities to ever come down the pike. So we should sell guns to loonies then? Good idea.
52 GKirk: Geez...you wrote a letter to the SS? Thats over reacting. You not think they'll have already seen this?
53 Arsenal@LHR: I think Commander Rabb and a few others need to stop being so hysterical about things, we know you like Bush, we know you like your politics, but cut
54 EGGD: I'm really hoping Techreps 'email' to the SS was just a joke, otherwise I feel he has serious problems. Someone needs to get laid I guess. I still qui
55 Airplay: Sometimes I think Johnny shot the wrong Brady. L-188, are you calling for the assassination of Brady? Your statement is in the identical context of th
56 Dl021: I'd like to add that there is probably some intelligence officer working for some terrorist organization is going to distibute that to the people for
57 L-188: No Airplay I wasn't. Notice the use of past tense. However I will say that Sarah Brady's nazi-esc anti-firearm campaign has been a serious burr in my
58 L410Turbolet: I'd like to add that there is probably some intelligence officer working for some terrorist organization is going to distibute that to the people for
59 Falcon84: Yes, any one of use who opposes his right to his penis-replacement, the firearm, is a nazi, right L-188? Anyone who saw her husband gunned down by a l
60 L-188: Alpha, just because Jim apparently can't get it up for Sarah since then is not an excuse for her to campaign against my rights. And you know jack squa
61 Falcon84: Alpha, just because Jim apparently can't get it up for Sarah since then is not an excuse for her to campaign against my rights. His life being altered
62 L-188: Well shut up about them on this forum please...your blind ignorance shows. Mainly anytime you squak about your penis/firearms fixation. Which we all k
63 Falcon84: It isn't garbage, L-188, lest you wouldn't be so defensive about it. And don't tell me to shut up, I have a right to my opinion. Although I guess you
64 Airplay: However I will say that Sarah Brady's nazi-esc anti-firearm campaign has been a serious burr in my butt for many years. I would get that burr out of t
65 L-188: The best defense is a good offense Airplay. Seriously though. I am sick and tired of yokles in cities and suburbia trying to take tools that the rest
66 Airplay: Man you're fast L-188! You must be as bored as I am today.... I have to agree with you somewhat. I have lived in remote northern areas before, and the
67 Falcon84: You took a while to respond last time. I thought maybe you had gone to bed with your handgun by your side. Seriously though. I am sick and tired of yo
68 JeffM: "..if your gun is superior to the rights of someone who was permanentely damaged by a firearm." Typical response. Here is another. Did the gun shoot J
69 SlamClick: "There is a bomb in my luggage." (Recent example of British humor, overheard at airport security checkpoint.) Sorry folks, but as much as I do not est
70 Falcon84: Did the gun shoot Jim by itself? Or did a person pull the trigger? Here's one, and them I'm gone for the afternoon: Without that gun, Jim Brady isn't
71 L-188: Yeah right, and if the voters hadn't elected Reagan, he wouldn't have been their either.
72 Wanderer: As a Briton, (who does not like GWB, it has to be said), I do think the Guardian's last comment, no matter how tongue-in-cheek, is not on. I do not wi
73 Mia: As an American I do not see it as a threat to his life. This man is excersizing his free speech, something than in America we cannot because we will b
74 Ctbarnes: First things first. Yes, I think the last sentance of the commentary crossed the line. It was an inappropriate comment that could have been better exp
75 Banco: Funny how the rather silly Guardian letter writing campaign was apparently an unwarranted excursion into the affairs of another country, but that some
76 Srbmod: Remember the Presidental Curse that has befallen Presidents who were elected in a year ending in a 0. Some say that Reagan broke the curse, but he was
77 NWA742: Even if this was said in a dumb attempt at humor, that DOESN'T JUSTIFY IT. It's completely uncalled for. The fact that many members on here are actual
78 BN747: A lunatic or nutty individual making a similar statement, be it in jest or sincerity (aka Jesse Helms vs Clinton) is expected but for an established a
79 GDB: That article (which only the most humourless, irony-free, uptight, idealouge cannot see is only satire), appeared in a small booklet in the Saturday e
80 Schoenorama: NWA742: "The fact that many members on here are actually sticking up for a statement like this doesn't surprise me at all either." Those that are stic
81 GDB: You have to be pretty thick to not see it's satire and knockabout humour, guess it says a lot about all those huffing and puffing on here, totally par
82 N771AN: Perhaps it would have been seen as "humour" had the Guardian not spent the past week encouraging its readers to write letters to rural Americans telli
83 Ryanb741: To be honest the Guardian is one of those papers that pretends to be clever but is actually read by studenty types and those people who attend anti-wa
84 777236ER: It's a paper for those with no ambition I love how according to your posts, people with no ambition are students.
85 N771AN: He said "studenty types," not students. You know, the kind that take 6 credits a semester and graduate when their 35?
86 Ryanb741: 777236ER, correct me if I'm wrong but I have you in my mind as a typical Guardian reader. I just know I'm right.
87 Ryanb741: BTW, as a former University student who got a 1st class honours and 4 A's at A Level I'm well aware that not all students lack ambition. Just the type
88 Commander_Rabb: You have to be pretty thick to not see it's satire and knockabout humour, guess it says a lot about all those huffing and puffing on here, totally par
89 777236ER: Satire about killing the President of the United States? Yes. Why is it pathetic? Can't take a joke?
91 777236ER: He said "studenty types," not students. You know, the kind that take 6 credits a semester and graduate when their 35? I assume you were never an Engli
92 N771AN: I assume you were never an English student. Nope. Majored in Mathematics and Economics with a Master's in the latter. EDIT: oops... i think you meant
93 GKirk: Dammit, the Times and Telegraph are only read by those posh people who wouldnt dare buy a bag of chips The Sun - #1 selling newspaper in the UK
94 777236ER: BTW, as a former University student who got a 1st class honours and 4 A's at A Level I'm well aware that not all students lack ambition. Just the type
95 N771AN: Whose 'flippant and tasteless'? What's a 'flippant and tasteless'? Ask the Guardian. I guess they know what it means.
96 777236ER: EDIT: oops... i think you meant English as in British and not as in the major. I am well aware at the slow pace of most students on that side of the p
98 777236ER: Ask the Guardian. I guess they know what it means. I doubt they would - it's not an object.
99 N771AN: Then I guess I understood you right the first time? Not bad for someone who never studied "English."
100 N771AN: I doubt they would - it's not an object. Well that's their published assesment of the line in question.
101 Ryanb741: ACtually the Times and Telegraph are read by those people who actually want to read news in their Newspapers. The Sun is full of tits and football and
102 777236ER: Lead story at thetimes.com? "Barrage for Commons"! The Houses of Parliament are to be protected from terrorist attack by electric fences, roadblocks a
103 777236ER: Well that's their published assesment of the line in question. Now don't take all the credit for that sentence - you ran it through Microsoft Word's s
105 GDB: OK, try this for size, for the sake of context. In 1984, the IRA came close to killing the British PM (Thatcher), with the Brighton bomb. 1991, during
106 Commander_Rabb: How funny that this thread has evolved in to the proper use of language. Too bad that imbecile at the Gaurdian could not realize how language can be u
107 N771AN: How funny that this thread has evolved in to the proper use of language. When you don't have an arguement to present, you resort to pointing out gramm
108 Commander_Rabb: Nice rant GDB, I read the first two sentences and moved on past the rest. Notice that an apology was rendered by the Gaurdian? I guess they figured th
109 GDB: No, they sell a fair number of US papers stateside, so protecting the market, anyway, how do you know if UK readers did the complaining, it's still ar
110 EGGD: I'd like to add that there is probably some intelligence officer working for some terrorist organization is going to distibute that to the people for
111 Mia: The Guardian is a progressive newspaper, unlike the conservative Times and Telegraph. If being progressive is bad than lets go back to the good old da
112 JGPH1A: Techrep - you didn't seriously send that email to the Secret Service, did you ? "Our beloved President..." HAHAHAH oh dear, seems like the sense-of-hu
113 Falcon84: Yes, obviously TechRep worships the war-ridden, outsourcing-loving ground Bush walks on. Hey TR, do you genuflect anytime you hear the name "Bush"?; d
114 N6376m: I love it. It seems that the more involvment the Guardian takes on this issue, the better the picture for a W re-election. Keep up the good work!
115 Falcon84: ROTFL. N6376m, if you think this Guardian stuff is going to have any effect, then you're really reaching for straws, aren't you. Most Americans don't
116 N6376m: Falcon, you keep living in your world of paraniod dillusions where anyone who doesn't agree with you is a right wing wacko. If you don't think that th
117 Falcon84: Falcon, you keep living in your world of paraniod dillusions where anyone who doesn't agree with you is a right wing wacko If the description fits, N6
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