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For Fellow Californians Re: The Propositions  
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

For all the Californians voting next week. Where is a good site that I can look up each of the propositions and the pro/con arguements for it? I registered somewhat late and wont be getting the handbook in the mail. Also, what are some of your thoughts on the propositions?


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Anyone? The sample ballot isn't helping.

[Edited 2004-10-26 21:56:34]


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineTechrep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Anything Superfly, Barbara Boxer and Diane Fienstein are for - runaway from as quickly as possible.

TechRep


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1304 times:

Sorry, I'm voting for Boxer and for sure Prop 71. I still don't know much more about the others.


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

http://www.voterguide.ss.ca.gov/english.pdf

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7955 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

How in the hell can *anyone* vote for Barbara Boxer? I am completely unable to understand it.


If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

Thanks WellHung  Big thumbs up

Aaron,

I'm voting for her because I think shes done a decent job in the past.


What are some of the other Californians' opinons on the propositions and state candidates?



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineDontlikeairbus From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

I wish my absentee ballot would come so i can vote yes on prop 66
anyone who believes the three strikes law needs no modifications is in my opinion quite foolish or seriously misunderstands the way the criminal justice system works


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 1247 times:

Mdsh00:
Maybe I can help.  Smile

Glad to know you're voting Boxer just as I am. She will be getting the first landslide this time around. It's funny I read in the paper that Bill Jones is running around the state calling her liberal and a poll showed that 59% of Californians are happy with her "liberal" beliefs. Bill Jones would be better suited for Alabama.  Laugh out loud


Superfly will be voing:

Kerry/Edwards
Boxer
Lantos
Yee


PROPOSITION 1A-NO

PROPOSITION 59-YES

PROPOSITION 60-NO

PROPOSITION 61-YES

PROPOSITION 60A–NO

PROPOSITION 62–NO

PROPOSITION 63–YES

PROPOSITION 64–NO

PROPOSITION 65–NO POSITION

PROPOSITION 66– YES

PROPOSITION 67–YES

PROPOSITION 68–NO

PROPOSITION 69–NO

PROPOSITION 70–NO

PROPOSITION 71–YES

PROPOSITION 72–YES


I don't feel strongly about any of the issues on the ballot except Prop. 66 and I am glad it's leading in the polls.
I am split on the Indian gambling casinos issues. I am against building new Las Vegas size casinos in neighborhoods, in fact I don't like the idea of them here in California period!
The reason is that they charge for drinks and they are free at the casinos in Nevada. It also makes visiting Las Vegas, Reno and Lake Tahoe more special.
So I am voting NO on Prop 68 but I am also voting NO on Prop 70 which gives the state authority to shake more money from Indian casinos. Leave the Indian casinos alone and let them do there own thing as long as they don't build mega casinos in neighborhoods. Indians/Native Americans have damn near been wiped of the face of the earth. Ahnold wants to nickel and dime every penny they earn. I am sure he is angry that they didn't fund his campaign so they are a easy target for him.

I am against Prop 62 (open primary).
If you don't join the party then you shouldn't complain about the nominee. I don't like the idea of Republicans being able to vote in the Democratic primary and I am sure the Republicans don't like the idea of Superfly being able to vote in there primaries.
Fair enough?

I support stem cell research so I am voting yes on Prop 71.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 1235 times:

The facts about Proposition 66: It was initially proposed by a millionaire businessman who's son will be released if it passes (reports put dad's investment at roughly $1.5 Million). This proposition is opposed by the Governor, the Attorney General, every District Attorney (58 total), every California law enforcement agency, and several child protection groups and agencies. Close to 27,000 convicted felons stand to be released should the proposition pass. Those who could be released are convicted rapists, murderers, and child molesters.

Vote as you see fit.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 8 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

Itsjustme:
I guess it's just you.  Big grin


Those who could be released are convicted rapists, murderers, and child molesters.

Prop 66 does NOT apply to convicted rapists, murdurers, and child molesters. It applies to those who steal candy bars, potato chips and pizza slices.




Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1210 times:

So have you made up your mind Mdsh00


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1205 times:

It applies to those who steal candy bars, potato chips and pizza slices.

Someone is not, and should not be locked up for 25 to life for stealing a can of Pringles.

What they are being locked up for is the fact that, after three chances, they aren't getting their $hit together and continue to break the law. This is the reason behind Three Strikes and the one thing that many people overlook.

I mean there's a real easy way to not get thrown away for 25 years:

STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLES

It's no different then getting fired from work for being 5 minutes late.

Did you REALLY get fired for being 5 minutes late?

Of course not. You got fired for showing that you can't show up on time.


[Edited 2004-11-02 03:21:00]

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1197 times:

This ex-Californian wanted to check out the various propositions, but the friggin' voter guide is 168 pages long! Needless to say, my dial-up (not to mention my patience) has issues with a PDF file that size.

Can someone BRIEFLY summarize, or link a page that summarizes the props? Thanks.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1197 times:

Tom in NO:
This is all you need.  Smile



http://www.sfbg.com/39/04/cover_clean_slate.html



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineN771AN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1194 times:

Superfly...

I dunno if I want to trust a newspaper with this kind of advertising on its front page.  Wow!



User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1191 times:

N771AN:
What's the big deal?  Confused

The San Francisco Bay Guardian is the most trusted source of news in the SFO area. We bypass the biased corperate Clear Channel news outlets.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1187 times:

Superfly:
Ah, interesting page. Guess it'd be like the times growing when my parents would say to do something, and I'd do the exact opposite. Must be the rebellious streak in me  Big grin.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1183 times:

So have you made up your mind Mdsh00

That was my plan this weekend but on account of the unforseen events that took place over the weekend (car accident), I didn't get a chance to read up on stuff. I guess I'll be doing that tonight.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1171 times:

Ok, I found a prop summary page http://www.smartvoter.org/2004/11/02/ca/state/prop/:

No real opinion on a lot of the props, but some do stick out:

NO on Prop 62: Open primaries suck, we deal with them all the time down here.
YES on Prop 66.
YES on prop 68.
Tough decision on prop 69. I'd probably vote NO until there was a provision to destroy DNA samples and info for cleared individuals.
NO on Prop 70: I'd leave the casino's alone, as well.
YES on prop 71: Bush and I diverge on this one. I'm for research.
Another tough decision on prop 72. I'd likely go YES here, as well.

Superfly, looks we do have a few thoughts in common.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1165 times:

It applies to those who steal candy bars, potato chips and pizza slices.

Sorry but if you're stupid enough to steal and get caught, you deserve to be locked up.

At least use some brains if you commit a crime so you don't look like a dumbass when its all over. Americas dumbest criminals. Who cares about them!!


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

Solarix:
No doubt these are some fools we are dealing with. Do you know how much it cost YOU the tax payers to house these prisoners? Do you know how expensive that sort of 'tough talk' cost?



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

Here's what I came up with:

1A: Yes
59: Yes
60: No
60A:No
61: Yes
62: No
63: No
64: Yes
65: Don't know
66: Yes
67: Yes
68: No
69: No
70: No
71: Yes
72: Yes



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7955 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

The San Francisco Bay Guardian is the most trusted source of news in the SFO area

Sure, if you're a bottom feeding modskiteer living with lesbian barista roomies on lower divisadero . Here in the 'loin, the real nature of issues are a bit closer to home and demand less biased scrutiny than that provided in the loony left Guardian.



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

For those of you Boxer supporters, she is on the record in the '91 Gulf War to redraw the map for Iraq with Kuwait and leave it at that, even after we passed the "international test." That doesn't go over well with me.

On the 3 strikes MAttD got it:criminals stop committing the crimes. If you are on strike two, and wish to continue breaking the law, move to another state!



25 BN747 : It applies to those who steal candy bars, potato chips and pizza slices. Someone is not, and should not be locked up for 25 to life for stealing a can
26 Mdsh00 : On the 3 strikes MAttD got it:criminals stop committing the crimes. If you are on strike two, and wish to continue breaking the law, move to another s
27 Post contains images Superfly : Keep in mind, governors Davis AND Arnold signed pay increases for prison guards in our dozens of prisons. In 1990, prison guards were paid at about $1
28 Travelin man : Well, I voted: Kerry/Edwards Barbara Boxer 1A: Yes 59: Yes 60: No 60A:No 61: No 62: Yes 63: No 64: Yes 65: No 66: Yes 67: Yes 68: No 69: Yes 70: No 71
29 Post contains images Superfly : Travelin man: Glad to hear moderate like you is supporting Kerry and Boxer. I wish you voted NO on 69. That is one scarry initiative. I'll be at Sena
30 Post contains images SFOintern : My turn! Federal President: John F. Kerry House: Nancy Pelosi US Senate: Barbara Boxer California State Senate: Carole Migden State Assembly: Mark Len
31 Travelin man : Superfly -- Yeah, I'm pretty moderate. I just think a DNA database is a good idea, like a fingerprint database. I'm sure it's not perfect, but few of
32 Post contains images Superfly : Travelin man: Prop 69 is scarry stuff man. Very Orwelian. SFOintern: Great to see you chime in! Did you vote for Starchild?
33 Post contains images Mdsh00 : Here's how it looks according to the LA Times: US Senate: Barbara Boxer Props: 1A: Yes 59: Yes 60: Yes 60A: Yes 61: Yes 62: TBA (leaning to No) 63: TB
34 Aaron747 : I couldn't vote for Barbara Boxer in good conscience. She did two absolutely unforgivable things during the last term that left me checking the 'US Se
35 EIPremier : Well, I voted: Kerry/Edwards Barbara Boxer Props: 1A: Yes 59: Yes 60: NO 60A: NO 61: No...good idea but too costly 62: NO...open primaries are an incr
36 Johnboy : It's all fading away now, but I do seem to remember voting for Boxer for Senate and good ol' George Miller Jr. for Congress. Yes on Stem Cell Research
37 Post contains images Superfly : Aaron747: I voted in favor of the BART bond measure also. I voted YES on F and I opposed VERY Newsom appointee running for all offices regardless of t
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