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Nasa Photo Analyst: Bush Wore A Device In Debate!  
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

From Salon.com (get a day pass to read):



For the past week, while at home, using his own computers, and off the clock at Caltech and NASA, Nelson has been analyzing images of the president's back during the debates. A professional physicist and photo analyst for more than 30 years, he speaks earnestly and thoughtfully about his subject. "I am willing to stake my scientific reputation to the statement that Bush was wearing something under his jacket during the debate," he says. "This is not about a bad suit. And there's no way the bulge can be described as a wrinkled shirt."

[...]

Bruce Hapke, professor emeritus of planetary science in the department of geology and planetary science at the University of Pittsburgh, reviewed the Bush images employed by Nelson, whom he calls "a very highly respected scientist in his field." Hapke says Nelson's process of analyzing the images are the "exact same methods we use to analyze images taken by spacecraft of planetary surfaces. It does not introduce any artifacts into the picture in any way."


If the original image is in fact correct, there´s little doubt there was something under his jacket.

Does it matter?

Well, only if you want a president who can still speak coherently when his batteries have given up...  Nuts

44 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Damn communist Al-Qaida NASA scientists who hate America...


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineN771AN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Where's the picture of the dead horse???

User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Wow, a professor emeritus of planetary science studying Bush's backside. Was he looking for Uranus?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Salon.com is still pushing this story even though it has been refuted and rejected even by the New York Slimes and SEE-BS? I guess since the only thing keeping them online is the hundreds of millions poured into it by rich liberals, they put out liberal whack job stories. Also, the "expert" is a well know Democrat donor.

Clinton also had the same bulge under his suit. Probably from the same thing, a bullet proof vest.

http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/photos/040112-F-8489N-029.jpg

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1997/sep/09-26-97/photos/apnewclinton092697.gif

Finally, two other things that sink this story. If Bush was wearing a device that let him get his talking points from someone, given today's technology it would not have to be large or mounted on the person. It could be in the ear and not noticed. Also, if Bush had been wired, he would have done better in the first debate.



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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

The very same Robert M Nelson that gave $2,000 to Howard Dean...

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

You probably believe the story about the "face" on Mars too....



User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

Yes Klaus, he wore a device. Made of Kevlar.

User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1907 times:


If he had really been wired, don't you think the Democratic Party or the Kerry campaign would be all over it, or raised some kind of (official) complaint?


User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

If he had really been wired, don't you think the Democratic Party or the Kerry campaign would be all over it, or raised some kind of (official) complaint?

And if he was wired don't you think the guy feeding him the answers could of come up with better ones than he did!  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Congrats Klaus, you earned one of these:



Professional help is availible for disorders like this. The man was probably wearing a bullet proof vest, he is the President of the United States, he probably wears one just about any time he goes out in public, I know I probably would. There is a decent chance Kerry was wearing one too.

If you are cheating there is no excuse to not win. Plus, you all think he is stupid and borderline retarded so I will ask you this: Ever try to speak with someone else talking in your ear? It is damn near impossible and it takes TV personalities a pretty long time to learn to do it seamlessly.

Also, the wire required for an earpiece would not need to be NEARLY that large, If they showed me a battery pack or something under his clothes I might start to believe this line of bull.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

The kevlar vest explanation is probably the most plausible, indeed.  Wink/being sarcastic

It just shows again that a dementi isn´t necessarily the best way to go...


User currently offlineThecoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

The kevlar vest explanation is probably the most plausible, indeed.


This may be a stupid question, but why doesn't the media speculate that it was a vest? That's the first time I saw this explanation for it. It sounds completely valid, yet not even mentioned except for on here.

Why would anyone in a dangerous situation not wear a vest? Sounds like preparedness to me; not cowardice.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

This may be a stupid question, but why doesn't the media speculate that it was a vest?

Because the media is stupid. Period.

Could be suspenders as well, however, his jacket "stood up" in front. Same as it does when is out in a crowd where he'd clearly be wearing a kevlar vest. Most likely, it's a chest vest. Someone sneaking into the audience would be more of a concern that from backstage where the secret service was at.


User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

If that indeed is a kevlar vest is Bush the first president to wear a kevlar vest at a debate?


Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7917 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

I have no idea what you read or watch on TV. But our left-left media did indeed discuss a vest. A spokesman, however, said Mr. Bush did not wear a vest. He said it was nothing but a wrinkled jacked.


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User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

Poor Klaus. Paranoia will destroya.

What are you going to do after Tuesday when W wins re-election, by what all indications point will be a fairly large number? The obsession that you and Alpha1 have is really very entertaining but it borders on a mental problem.


User currently onlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

So has this scientist been on Art Bell before or what?


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1782 times:

Makes you wonder what John Kerry is hiding in that massive chin of his?


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

N6376m: Poor Klaus. Paranoia will destroya.

That´s quite amusing coming from somebody who still believes Saddam Hussein was a "mortal threat" to the USA!  Nuts

Your paranoia already has left a bloody trail of destruction through both the middle east and through more than thousand homes in the US and in "coalition" countries.

I´d say I can live with mine rather better than that.

[Edited 2004-10-30 13:44:49]

User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Klaus - pray tell where I've ever written that Saddam was a mortal threat to the US? Come on put up or shut up. You can't just make up quotes or statements to support any ridiculous claim you dream up in your head.

Show us - where have I said this?

You're delusions are really getting out of control.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

N6376m: Klaus - pray tell where I've ever written that Saddam was a mortal threat to the US?

What else is your reason du jour for the invasion? They´re changing so often it´s hard to keep track. And none of them is even halfway consistent with verifiable reality.

Almost half of all americans apparently still believe that Saddam was behind 9-11 - which is false, but it was a useful falsehood to coax them into the war.


N6376m: You're delusions are really getting out of control.

I´m sorry for your well-deserved embarrassment, but I haven´t had to change my argumentation from before the war. Your side is still flip-flopping all over the place, depending on which of the inventive excuses have just been shot down again.


User currently offlineN771AN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Putting words in bold is a sure sign of delusion. I suggest you get medical help.

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Klaus, come on, your turning into a typical Eurowhining cheese eating surrender monkey. Beahve yourself  Wink/being sarcastic  Wink/being sarcastic


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

N771AN: Putting words in bold is a sure sign of delusion. I suggest you get medical help.

Your response is weak and devoid of substanceBig grin


GKirk: Klaus, come on, your turning into a typical Eurowhining cheese eating surrender monkey. Beahve yourself

Coming from whom??? You´re a real joker!  Big thumbs up


25 JetService : You guys got it all wrong. The President was packing heat in case the Senator started getting a little jiggy. In all seriousness, I put my money on th
26 Post contains images Qb001 : Captoveur, With your "ideas" and your promotion of refusing to debate an issue with serious arguments, here's what will happen of your country:
27 Aa61hvy : QB- maybe if you pulled your head out of where the sun don't shine you'd realize that picture can be easily faked. Even the author to the thread agree
28 Jaysit : A bullet proof vest? Please. What did the idiot think? That his answers would be so profound that someone would want to shoot him? The only argument r
29 Post contains images Klaus : JetService: You guys got it all wrong. The President was packing heat in case the Senator started getting a little jiggy. Can you lead the USA from ja
30 GDB : So he cannot, even with this alleged 'aid' still barely string a coherent sentence together without constantly reverting to buzz words and cliches? I
31 Captoveur : "What did the idiot think? That his answers would be so profound that someone would want to shoot him?" Jaysit, please tell me you aren't actually tha
32 Itsjustme : Strangest outline of a kevlar vest I've ever seen.
33 PPGMD : You guys got it all wrong. The President was packing heat in case the Senator started getting a little jiggy. Actually Klaus, though unlikely it still
34 Jetjeanes : I wear a level II vest under my suit, which is very uncomfortable and does make you look a little heavier but there is very little protection on a ves
35 Aa61hvy : Don't you think the president would have some real high tech stuff, and would hide it in a better place than his back?
36 Post contains images Leviticus :
37 Dc10guy : It just goes to show you the lengths the republicans will go to prop up their idiot... You have to question their blind dedication sometimes.
38 Post contains images Ltbewr : This has been discussed before here. My response then and still stands, is to believe it is a bullet resistant vest. If if was a 'communications devic
39 Dc10guy : True Ltbewr, that could be what it is.... But I'll bet it was a bad attempt to cheat at the debate.
40 Post contains images JeffM : "(2004-10-11) -- A forensic scientist studying photographic evidence has identified an object which caused a bump on the back of a suit jacket worn by
41 Dc10guy : WOW Dubya's spin sure is crooked !!! must a a old war wound a ??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, not!
42 Post contains images JeffM : Well Dc10Kid, Kerry got shot in the ass..... what was he trying to do? Run away? Or advance the retreat?
43 Prebennorholm : Am I the only one who finds it quite natural that a governing president of a superpower carries something more sophisticated than a Nokia cell phone?
44 LHSebi : perhaps it may be part of a presidential emergency device, for use in case of an assination attempt, or national emergency. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes, if ther
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