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Does The Weather Matter That Much?  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

"We have nice weather"

Former Governor Gray Davis in response to being questioned on the decaying state of California.

So my question to you is:

Does climate really matter that much?

After all, here in CA:

The percentage of adults who can afford a house is around 20% and falling.

The state is being overrun by illegal aliens who, along with the rest of the influx of people are bankrupting the hospitals, jamming the schools, and our social services.

Jobs that pay any kind of decent wage are almost nonexistant.

Californians are among the most over taxed and over regulated people in the Nation.

What little vacant land is left is being bulldozed and paved over almost daily. Just this last week, the Victoria Gardens mall opened up. It's a huge, approximately one square mile in size. Lots and lots of new stores. No big deal, right?

It is located less than two miles from Ontario Mills Mall. I drove by both of them going southbound on I-15 last night. Both Foothill Blvd (the main entrance to Victoria Gardens) and 4th Street (to Ontario Mills) were SOLID seas of white and red lights of cars.

Yes, the traffic is THAT bad. Most freeways have an average speed of only 25 mph. And on main arterial streets, it can take up to an hour to travel only 10 miles.


Yet for some reason, people keep coming. And coming. And coming.

If there are no jobs, and nobody can afford the housing and you can't drive anywhere in any kind of reasonable time because gridlock is pretty much everywhere 24/7, why do they keep coming here?

Ok, yes. We do have a very nice climate here: sunshine 6 months a year. A cold winter day might see lows in the upper 40's. Very few rainy days, and so on. Yes, we do have nice weather.

Does climate really matter that much to where people are willing to live in absolute expensive misery in exchange for sunshine and pleasant temps?


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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

So playing devils advocate.... Why do you live there?

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

1. I was BORN here.

2. I have not (yet) found what I consider a satisfactory offer out of state.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

I agree we have a problem with illegal immigration and that overpopulation is a problem, but I love California for its natural beauty and the people that live here. Not necessarily West LA (which I can't stand), but the suburbs where people are friendly and the weather is great.

Matt, I think a lot of the problems you talk about are more relavant to Southern California, except for the house prices. I still think CA is one of the greatest places to live. Even after the shambles that Davis put us in, we still have a massive economy and a foothold in almost every industry, even in cheese where CA actually produces more dairy products than Wisconsin. I like how California is a trend setter in a variety of places like laws and maybe even Stem Cell research..hoping that Prop 71 passes.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1159 times:

Normally I agree with your bitching but I really have to say this time I think you are just looking for something to bitch about.

I wasn't thrilled with where I was living before, I moved. Where I live now isn't the greatest, it may even be worse than where I lived before but at least it is different. The way we deal with highway traffic around here is just find a way to get where you need to go on the surface streets. At rush hour it is typically faster.

As for lemmings an their malls, I don't know what to tell you, that crap is everywhere.

We are overrun with illegals here in SAT as well, there is still a decent job market. the illegals just own the non-skilled stuff. Our malls are also flooded with Mexican and South American tourists on weekends, checking out the liscense plate collection in mall parking lots is usually good for an occasional wow when you wonder about the drive from Columbia or Brazil to SAT.

Home ownership is on the rise here, land and houses are so cheap just about anyone can get one. I don't see the draw to California myself, Yeah I can make twice the money but it costs me 2-3x as much to live, and we have the same weather where I am now.


User currently offlineWanderer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

After all, here in CA:

The percentage of adults who can afford a house is around 20% and falling.

The state is being overrun by illegal aliens who, along with the rest of the influx of people are bankrupting the hospitals, jamming the schools, and our social services.

Jobs that pay any kind of decent wage are almost nonexistant.

Californians are among the most over taxed and over regulated people in the Nation.

What little vacant land is left is being bulldozed and paved over almost daily. Just this last week, the Victoria Gardens mall opened up. It's a huge, approximately one square mile in size. Lots and lots of new stores. No big deal, right?

It is located less than two miles from Ontario Mills Mall. I drove by both of them going southbound on I-15 last night. Both Foothill Blvd (the main entrance to Victoria Gardens) and 4th Street (to Ontario Mills) were SOLID seas of white and red lights of cars.

Yes, the traffic is THAT bad. Most freeways have an average speed of only 25 mph. And on main arterial streets, it can take up to an hour to travel only 10 miles.




Sounds a lot like the UK, apart from the climate - it's getting to the stage where very few first time buyers can afford a place of their own - that includes me; we have a bad illegal immigration problem with attendant problems with the health service, etc; we have a minimum wage but it's barely enough to live on; our taxes are among the highest in Europe and we are over-regulated (traffic speed cameras are everywhere - I got caught by one myself); the countryside is constantly being built on and the traffic is horrendous - during the rush hour, it can take an hour to go even a couple of miles. At least you have decent weather!

All places have their good and bad points.


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

You must be drunk the other 4.5 months of sunshine a year. I would be too if I lived close enough to San Dimas to drive there for my meals. You obviously don't dislike it enough to actually LOOK for a job somewhere else. Just another lazy white boy who expects everything to be handed to them.  Insane And it's not like you didn't know about the traffic problems. Take it from us non-idiots who don't have to travel the freeways every day - it's not THAT bad.

User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

Before you complain any more about California, consider how much worse it is in New York: No jobs (the unemployment rate's sky high), heavy traffic, unafforable housing - and we DON'T have California's nice climate as compensation!


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

I thought Arnold was going to fix all that ??? What went wrong ??? The weather sure is great here in PHX.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

Matt:

As a former resident of Orange County, I agree with most of your points, though I'm not so sure that illegal immigration is as much of a problem as you do. I left in 2000 after 10 years in Santa Barbara and OC.. mainly to pursue an aviation career, but there were other reasons too.. and the cost of living for what I was getting was certainly a big part of it. I was asking the same questions you are....

I will say this though, having been away for coming up on 5 years now, there's a lot I miss about it... In-n-Out, the beach, Mexican restaurants with huge patios, 30-screen movie theaters, even the craziness. And there's something refreshing about walking out of a terminal at LAX and feeling that nice salty breeze off the ocean. I can't pinpoint exactly what it is.. maybe just a feeling that it's "home". I'm sure if you left for 5 years, you'll know what I'm talking about.. heh

Since I've been away, I've been able to see a lot of other parts of the country. NY, Boston, DC, Philly, Pittsburgh, Dallas, Chicago, all around the southeast, etc. etc. They all have their qualities.. and their quirks.

And as for the weather... when you have to figure out what to do with the 23 inches of snow that have accumulated on your car.. or when you have to plan 10 minutes of car-warm-up and ice-scraping into your commute.. or when you have to put on a thick coat and gloves just to go get the mail, suddenly SoCal doesn't look so bad...... Big grin


User currently offlineVSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1072 times:

just because you were BORN someplace doesnt mean you have to stay there. hell, i was BORN in new mexico!

but really, of course the weather matters that much. look at florida. same issue regarding weather--old people want a pleasantly warm, sunny, humid, muggy, gross place to die.


User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1042 times:

Back to the topic.
It doesn't mean that much to me.

I lived for a year in Florida, the so-called sunshine state. Forgetting that it is 4 months of great weather for the snowbirds coupled with 8 months of torrid heat and steambath humidity, I never went to the beach, went to a lot of malls, really hated the endless suburbia of the place. Couldn't wait to get out of Florida. In the end weather wasn't a factor on my decision to move back to New York. if I liked Florida, I'd learn to live with the heat and humidity.

The first time I went to LA, I thought it was one of the most depressing places I'd ever seen in the US. The mountains ringing it are brown, and obscured in smog, I've come to like LA, but the nice weather had little to do with it.

Look at all the people who swear by Montreal and Minneapolis! They revel in the winter, and having been in Montreal in February, I can understand why.

So unless it's extreme like this place http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/local/RSXX0122?from=search_city I don't think it accounts for much.

PS
One of the most annoying things about sunny Californians is how boastful they are about the weather. It gets tiresome. I almost want to scream, so LA's got great weather, what do you want, a medal? They'll talk about a snowstorm in New York the way a well-hung guy talks about a man with a small penis (Not that I'd have any first hand experience of being on the receiving end of that of course, I've just read about it!)



I may be ugly. I may be an American. But don't call me an ugly American.
User currently offlineN771AN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1040 times:

The unemployment rate of the state of New York is below the national average.

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1035 times:

Pathetic, all you ever do on this website is complain about Los Angeles and California and how bad it is for you, well for cryin out loud do something about it! Otherwise, you just sound like a whiny, grumpy old man. Unless that is what you are...

Yes L.A. has its problems, but if you won't leave, then start finding the positives of it and stop bitching about.



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1023 times:

The unemployment rate of the state of New York is below the national average.

For the state as a whole that's true, although the steady out-migration of younger people from many parts of Upstate helps hold down the rate by restricting the growth of the labor force.
In the city, on the other hand, unemployment is well above the national average, in some neighborhoods into the double digits. In addition, there's reason to believe that the city's true unemployment rate would be significantly higher but for a couple of factors. Anecdotal but fairly extensive evidence shows that an unusually high percentage of NYC residents falsely claim to be disabled so they can collect government benefits without having to work. Their numbers seem to have risen sharply since welfare reforms took effect. It also appears that the city has a large number of people working "off the books" in the underground economy, in most cases for low wages and no benefits.



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