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If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?  
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

I am not voting for Kerry, but if Kerry wins, what will change? I don't care for Kerry at all, but I also feel that he, or any President, is not able to change much. What do you think will be the ramifications of a Kerry win?


E pur si muove -Galileo
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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

I think he'll improve our relationship with our allies, which can only help in the real fight on terrorism.

I think he'll not be as secretive as the current administration, which is the most secretive in our history, and hides everything it does under the guise of "national security".

I think you'll actually have a decent SecDef and AG.

You won't see himas beholden to big business, and let it shit all over the American people as his predecessor did.

You won't have the appalling arrogance that is so ingrained in the current administration.

That's not a bad start.


User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Because of the two-party system, nothing major will ever change.

Bush was successful in changing a lot though.

What will NOT change is mid-east policy especially with regards to Israel. And that is the root of ALL the problems we are currently having with terrorism.

If we had a president who began a fair mideast policy and treated Israel no different than other mideast nations, we would not have problems with mideast terrorism, end of story.

But with two-party politics, that will never change.

Kerry can do lots of things at home though. Reverse the tax cuts for the rich, improve the economy, education, health care. And that's reason enough for any American (ok, not the millionaires) to vote for him.

Shawn


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Karl Rove will be sent back home.

Jeb Bush will never run for President putting an end to Bush dynasty politics forever.

We won't have to refer to our President as "that idiot."


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

"We won't have to refer to our President as "that idiot.""

Thanks, you've been no help.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Jaysit, since we've had president's, someone has always referred to him as "that idiot". The group who calls him that just changes, right Maverick?  Big grin

User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

Unless something real screwy happens, Congress will still be in GOP hands. Therefore it will be real difficult for Kerry to get anything substantial through.

But, I figure our net take-home will go down and because of that the economy will slow. Remember, taxes are a negative influance on the economy.

Kerry will attempt to intervene in business by penalizing corporations that move work overseas. This will no doubt cause some of these corporations to close their doors. Hey, but then everyone stands in the un-employment line.

Universal health-care will rear its ugly head again with perscription drugs being the flavor of the day. Kerry will probably try to eliminate patents on drugs so that generics can hit the market right away. Anyone care to examine why a major drug company would invest billions in a drug only to have the formula given to all?


But the biggest change is that we'll all get to call someone new "the idiot"


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Two things for sure - taxes will go up and Hillary will be pissed.

Soros can go back to manipulating currencies.

US financial markets will fall.





User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

Not a Damn thing other than taxes going up, fuel prices going even higher, and markets declining.

User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

US financial markets will fall.
markets declining

N-O-N-S-E-N-S-E!!!

Sometimes it's better to shut up and leave the capital markets to those who understand it...you both don't! Funny that most dealers, analysts, fund managers etc. do not really care since most things are already priced in. Fact is, there are other things that will form the macrotrend that will guide the capital markets, but certainly not which one of those 2 guys gets elected tomorrow!



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User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

I don't think much would change at all except I'm pretty sure my taxes will go up. I'm middle-class and don't believe for one second Kerry won't get in my wallet. Other than that, everything will pretty much run its own course including the economy which will improve regardless of who's in the WH.


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Andreas, you can kiss my ass. I've got a pretty good understanding of how markets work. I've spent a fairly good portion of my life studying them academically and making a fair amount of money by using that knowledge.

Though I'm not a big fan of George Soros' politics, his latest book reiterates a fantastic point. Markets are almost always wrong. If not, how could bubbles exist? The only points where they are correct are what he call the inflection points - that is, when the bubble bursts or when the market bottoms out. If everything is already factored in, I guess we should expect the market to remain steady on Tues and Weds of this week. Let's see

If anything market volatility has increase as information technology has improved. That sort of sink's your argument. You might disagree with me but to say that you and the other professions are the only one with answers is a bit pompus.


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Remember, taxes are a negative influance on the economy.

LOL. A system without any taxes is called anarchy. VERY good for the economy !


User currently offlineDan-air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

The usual crop of uninformed whiners complaining "my taxes are going up".

Making more than $200K/Year are you? No? Then your taxes AREN'T going up. Kerry isn't going to penalize companies that offshore work, but provide tax incentives for those that do not offshore. If you are making more than $200K/year then congratulations, now start paying for the war in Iraq.

The days of big corporate tax-giveaways most definitely are over. Oil companies, coal companies and all the rest that choose to do business in this country but want to avoid having to support it financially are in for a rude awakening. Halliburton won't be seeing any more no-bid contracts.

I wonder how long Bush will hang onto the ranch in Crawford after tomorrow? The ranch bought specifically for use as a stage-prop to cement the image of the rough-n-tumble cowboy (who ironically is afraid of horses).




User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

He will get back to hunting down Osama bin Laden instead of stopping short and starting a war.


Don't give up don't ever give up - Jim Valvano
User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2511 times:

The usual crop of uninformed whiners complaining "my taxes are going up"

Excuse me, but I'm not uninformed. I know what Kerry is claiming. I just don't believe him. Is that simple enough for you?



"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2502 times:

"The usual crop of uninformed whiners complaining "my taxes are going up"
"

Taxes will go up for those who pay 80+% of the tax bill.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2480 times:

Well I dont think the relationship with the UK will be the same. Bush and Blair seemed to be like best friends with Blair and Bush both for the war in Iraq, but Kerry against it. I think if Kerry wins, there may be a fallout of some sort


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2481 times:

Let's see, my taxes went down under Bush. Kerry said he will roll back the Bush tax cuts. That means my taxes will go up.

Taxes are a negative influence on the economy. Some taxes are necessary in order to preserve the peace and society. But any taxes above that are excessive. The simple fact of the matter is that the more a society pays in taxes the less they have to purchase goods and services. That is why the economy will slow under a Kerry administration.

Example: If my taxes go up, I will probably defer buying a new car next year. What will that do to the economy? Alone, not a thing, but what if several thousand families make the same decision? Think Chrysler, Ford and GM can survive thousands of families deferring purchases?

What about Honda, Toyota and the others that out-source their jobs to us in order to remain competitive in our market. What happens when they start scaling back production because people aren't buying their cars?

And that's only one industry. Examine it at the micro level or at the macro level; an increase in taxes beyond what is necessary to run government is excessive. Every dollar that is spent by the people vs. paid in taxes generates more money. Taxes are re-distribution of funds and don't grow funds.

There's my rant.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2464 times:

You can be guaranteed that bigotry and discrimination will not be codified into law.

The only issue that actually matters - freedom for Americans.

N


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2457 times:

"The days of big corporate tax-giveaways most definitely are over."

Wow talk about shortsighted.. I guess in the world of the LWAK when a company shows a profit they stick all that money in big canvas bags with dollar signs on them and shove them under the CEOs bed instead of doing stupid things like:

Buying more equipment
Buying new equipment
Hiring more workers
Otherwise re-investing in the company

I have news for you but most CORPORATIONS are structured so they pay little to no tax. The only people really being hurt by taxing businesses more are Proprietorships and partnerships, lets just kill off all the small businesses. Also, tax breaks are typically given by cities or states as incentive to open a new facility there.. when companies open a new facility many studies have shown that the economic stimulus from having more people employed and paying taxes typically more than makes up for the break given to the company. Try thinking 3 steps down the food chain for once.

"Halliburton won't be seeing any more no-bid contracts."

Yeah right, and EmiratesA345 will date a fat chick.

"but provide tax incentives for those that do not offshore"

I am a Senior working on my BBA in accounting and I can come up with no less than 10 ways to get around this. I am sure the financial whiz kids at any of the companies on the Fortune 500 can come up with hundreds.

"Making more than $200K/Year are you? No? Then your taxes AREN'T going up."

I guess we need to punish those nasty rich people for making all that money and then putting it back into the economy in the form of investing or buying a bigger house, or buying a new car. Damn those rich people, destroying the very fabric of our nation. We should have everyone make exactly the same.


User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2449 times:

The rich pump their money into the upper-level markets. They buy in their own little rich worlds. When was the last time you saw the CEO of a major company shopping at walmart? What happens is the rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

In theory, the trickle-down effect sounds great. But it DOESNT trickle down. It doesn't work.


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

When was the last time you saw the CEO of a major company shopping at walmart?

Ok say you take a CEO. He goes out to dinner someplace. His meal costs $100. He leaves what is considered a standard 15% tip. Say his waiter is a college kid making just a few thousand dollars a year. If that CEO had not gone out to his $100 dinner that kid would have never recieved his $15. This goes further. The kitchen staff all makes say on average $12/hr. Because people eat at this restaraunt they are on the clock at that time because the revenue is generated to justify having them there, they all get their share. To take this even further, The restaraunt buys its supplies from somewhere, probably a food distributor, because this restaraunt does good business they order more food, etc.. you can take this even further if you feel like doing the typing.

Yeah I may not see the CEO of a company personally shopping at wally world but he isn't wiping his ass with gold leaf Charmin, he may not be personally shopping there but someone is.

The guy selling the CEO his Ferrari. He is a higher level car salesman, but he still works on comission. The CEO is taxed more so he does not go and buy said Ferrari. Enough CEOs are taxed enough that nobody buys a Ferrari. Now the dealership shuts down. That sales guy I mentioned, he is out of work or taking a substantial pay cut selling KIAs (with BMW interiors). Also, all the mechanics, admin staffing and other salesmen who worked at that dealership are now in the unemployment line.

The CEO has a private jet. Lets call it a G-IV. Because his company can no longer afford said jet they either sell off the flight department completely or hire a contractor. Now a few pilots are out of work, maybe a mechanic, and a couple people who do administrative type things. Now said jet goes out to the desert or is sold to someone who would have otherwise bought new. Now the Gulfstream factory notices fewer orders, so they lay off workers. It is an ugly cycle.

The wealthy are not there to tax to death, hard work built this country, the last thing we should be doing is punishing those who worked hard.


User currently offlineDan-air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

There is no such thing as a freelunch.

When Bush entered office, the national debt was $5.4 Trillion. Today it is $7.4 Trillion. The Bush tax-cuts are responsible for the majority of this 20% increase - in just 4 years. Think we can continue to accumulate deficits at that rate? Someone, sometime will have to start paying that debt. That person is you, or your kids. So choose wisely - that piddling tax-cut you got will have to be repaid in full with interest soon enough.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

The deficit versus surplus numbers are even more compelling...

A 5.6 billion dollar 10 year surplus is now a $3 trillion loss - the largest change in the country's history.

N


25 Csavel : Taxes will go up, probably for you and for me, and you know what, I really don't think that will have a big effect on the economy. Remember Bush pere
26 EnviroTO : Didn't the current government create the biggest deficit in US history? Wasn't the previous government running a balanced budget? Seems silly to talk
27 Air2gxs : Wrong, it will not take a large tax increase to have the affect I described. What most people fail to realize is the US economy is driven by consumer
28 JetService : Dan-air: Making more than $200K/Year are you? No? Then your taxes AREN'T going up. Dan-air: Someone, sometime will have to start paying that debt. Tha
29 Csavel : Air2gxs, that presupposes people are rational actors, you may be, but considering how much credit card debt people carry, most people aren't. My point
30 N317AS : "If Kerry Wins, What Will Change?" Jaysit, You will still be able to call the prez an idiot. It will just be a different idiot. We will also have a hu
31 L-188 : Well. Anything that will happen will be influenced by the outcome of the Senate. If the unfortunate happens and Kerry is elected hopefully the Senate
32 Boeing7E7 : The Draft. If Kerry intends on adding the military numbers he proposing, he'll have to draft people. Plain and simple. No one wants to join the milita
33 Dragon-wings : God forbid we come home and he starts badmounthing us about how we didn't properly guard an ammo dump outside Baghdad. Oh, that's right he said it's B
34 Dan-air : Wow, you got that Kerry thing down pat. Talking out of both sides of your mouth. ROTFLMFAO!!!!! Jetservice: Whatever. Look at the facts - this country
35 Haveric : If Kerry wins: 1. a woman's right to choose will remain secure. 2. the world will again look to America as a leader on all fronts. 3. intelligence, co
36 JeffM : "Who would stand up for the less fortunate, if not for the Democrats?" ...that would be the Socialists.....they want you all to be equally "less fortu
37 N317AS : Thanks Jeff. I couldn't have said it better myself.
38 MaverickM11 : "3. intelligence, compassion and nuance will return to the White House." Nuance???
39 Post contains images JeffM : William, you are one of the few that could!
40 BN747 : ...that would be the Socialists.....they want you all to be equally "less fortunate".... Uh huh.. and thanks to Dubya it sounds exactly like where the
41 DC10GUY : If Kerry wins ( fat chance ) look for non-stop congressional hearings into every aspect of his personal life. The Christian right and the NRA will rev
42 L-188 : Dannn straight DC10Guy. Only way we can keep this country safe from itself in that event. What would it say about this country if we elect Kerry who a
43 DC10GUY : I'm sure them self righteous republicans will be all over that dude. Why do prostitutes need " power " ???
44 Post contains images Andreas : N6376m: Actually I wonder about you being a career boy since you never fail NOT to read what others have to say and make extremely sure NOT to underst
45 JGPH1A : Re: Kirkie - I think if Kerry wins, there may be a fallout of some sort. I think if Kerry wins, Mr. Blair will be doing the Dance of Joy round 10 Down
46 Post contains images OYRJA : L-188 will change. He has been very well spoken in here until now
47 Post contains links N6376m : Well Andreas, the markets sure proved you wrong today. "NEW YORK (CBS.MW) -- U.S. stocks staged a sharp reversal Tuesday, with blue chips sliding into
48 Post contains images JetSOUTHEAST : Well, on an airline front, the damage has been done. Bush told people not to fly unless they had to, after 9/11, plain and simple. That pratically scr
49 N6376m : ". . . stealing many markets" What does that mean? If a LCC competes and wins, why is that stealing?
50 NWDC10 : We all like tax cuts but if you don't "balance" tax cuts with spending, you will have to eventually pay a big debt. BTW, how much are we in debt anywa
51 Post contains images Boeing nut : For one thing, nuclear will be pronounced correctly!
52 Windshear : Let me just say, that I am not an American so I really have no say in this... But I was VERY VERY disapointed this morning! I think most of the world
53 Corsair2 : He will be a President who thinks about things for years, never doing much of anything. He is definitely not someone who accomplishes things and turns
54 Windshear : So you would say? Better to have bombed and killed, than to not have killed at all? Boaz...
55 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Better to have bombed and killed, than to not have killed at all? Long as someone other than Americans die for it, sure, I'm with that
56 Yu138086 : The pathetic voter turnout in the USA always amazes me! It truely shows that in a country af approx 330 million people, for just 36% (approx) of the p
57 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Wow Yu13... ...not only do you make a crappy post, devoid of fact and full of speculation-- but you have to post it on multiple threads. Sad
58 Captoveur : Then again why should the average American, with his/her $US 215,000 house paid for I doubt the average American lives in a $215,000 house, and if the
59 N771AN : I think Captoveur go back to Math class. A 30 year $215,000 loan at 5.5% costs $1,200 a month.[Edited 2004-11-03 16:23:47]
60 N6376m : In reply 9 Andreas writes US financial markets will fall. markets declining N-O-N-S-E-N-S-E!!! Sometimes it's better to shut up and leave the capital
61 Windshear : I was disapointed with the turn outs as well... last time it was 106 mil and they said it was a low count...Not it's only about 10 mil more... But I a
62 Post contains links N6376m : Here's more data for your PhD thesis Andreas - U.S. stocks surged on Wednesday as investors bet that President Bush has won re-election even though Oh
63 N6376m : If they go down, then it is because of permanently soaring oil prices or because growth comes to a halt, but definitely not because GWB and JK each st
64 N6376m : Andreas - Your reply 9 is now making you look pretty foolish: Sometimes it's better to shut up and leave the capital markets to those who understand i
65 Captoveur : "You ran your mouth pretty hard and now you don't have the balls to even admit your error." You indicated he was a teacher, that adds great support to
66 N6376m : Dow up 140+ points on Thursday. But this was all factored in. Right! Great theory Andreas.
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