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NHL...should We Say RIP?  
User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5740 posts, RR: 19
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

I've just heard an interview with Jaromir Jagr on Czech Radio 1, which was mostly not about hockey. However, in one sentence he mentioned something about trying to play in Russia for a while, should the NHL be cancelled for good.
I don't know much about the situation, which led to the ongoing strike.
Does anyone more versed on the backgound know how likely is it that NHL is done for good? What would happen next? I mean was it worth it to take it to such extremes by NHLPA?
Guess it's not always the best option to push it to the limits, is it?

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User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1104 times:

As a Bruins fan, I miss the NHL, but it really is a shame to let things get so far out of hand. When you say done for good, do you mean this year, or forever? My take from what little I've heard on sports radio (I'm sure you can believe that hockey has not been the #1 topic of conversation in Boston the last month or so) is that this season is pretty much written off, and from there...? Maybe our Canadian friends can shed some better light on this.

Logan


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1103 times:

The NHL was already the poor stepchild of all the major sports. A sport that was already having major problems finding its identity, and promoting that identity to the sports world.

It's tough for me for say this, because I grew up with the LA Kings, but I fear now more than ever for the future of the NHL. It scares me also in that right now, I'm not really missing it.....the just completed baseball season, the NFL being in full swing, and the NBA getting ready to go is keeping my sports interest going in other directions.

IMHO, the NHL will never be the same, I wouldn't be surprised to see some contraction come, being that some teams will not financially be able to handle an extended work stoppage. The NHL is a sports disaster unfolding before our very eyes.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineTechrep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1089 times:

This is union tactic to get you to post messages like this to get the NHL to make concessions. I played Pro Roller Hockey (my 15 minutes of fame) for 2 years and there are plenty of player’s worldwide to the place of these players!

In 3 years you wouldn’t even see a difference! I love hockey and know many of these players personally but the fans ultimately will force concessions. I suggest if you want this to end to e-mail the NHL and voice your opinion.

TechRep


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5740 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1088 times:

A sport that was already having major problems finding its identity, and promoting that identity to the sports world.

Sports world? With all due respect ice hockey and basketball are the only ones with significance beyond North America. Not to be flamebait, but who cares about baseball and the so called "football" outside of the US??? (+ Canada and Japan in case of baseball)

Anyway, I've heard that hockey is 4th out of all major sports in the US and that the risk was if the strike would go on "long enough" people would not miss it. Your post seemsto prove it.


User currently offlineGEG From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1079 times:

While I don't think it is gone for good, this season is a loss and next year might not be that interesting if some or all of the major players decide to stay in Europe. Too bad I was starting to get into hockey for the first time in a few years. Oh well there are too many other things to get interested in and follow.
-Dan



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1078 times:

Don't think there will be a season this year. I'm expecting to see a major contraction with a host of US teams folding their tents. The NHL will be reduced to 5-6 Canadian teams and maybe ten, tops, in the US.

And you know what -- it will be a better league because of it. The talent pool is too thin for all those southern US markets, and there's no real interest in the game down there anyway. The remaining teams will be more competitive, and the game will be better played.

But it will be 5 years before the league recovers, and the players will be getting about half their current salaries. That would be good too.

Too bad -- but they did it to themselves, owners and players.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1078 times:

Not RIP, yet anyway. But when the NHL does return in fall 2005 or later, there will be fewer teams and lower salaries (a la salary caps). There will also be fewer fans as well, particularly in the marginal US markets.

The NHLPA has basically screwed itself. But what can you expect from a bunch of hockey playing neanderthals anyway. They have no clue that hockey is a business, not a sport.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5740 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1076 times:

I suggest if you want this to end to e-mail the NHL and voice your opinion.

To be honest, I can't complain much about the impact of the strike on hockey over here.  Big thumbs up Most of the Czech NHL players joined their old clubs and it's only for the good of the Extraliga. I can imagine situation in Sweden or Finland will be pretty much the same.

How about the "farms"... the minor leagues? Are they on strike as well? I've seen couple of times their game in Philadelphia (Phantoms?). It was great fun to watch that's for sure. Although purely hockey-wise speaking it was more like a 3 periods of fight, once in a while interrupted by actual hockey  Wink/being sarcastic
Could these minor leagues replace the NHL? I'm thinking the Swissair/Crossair => Swiss scenario in hockey?

But it will be 5 years before the league recovers, and the players will be getting about half their current salaries. That would be good too.

That's nearly one-half, one-third if you're lucky, of a hockey player's career. If it will indeed take so long, I bet many of these guys in their mid 20s will ask... was it all worth it?



User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1065 times:

The American Hockey League (NHL's minor leagues) is playing as of now.

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1057 times:

Do you think there will be any contraction of Canadian teams? Heck, Ottawa who has had a winning record for many seasons now has been losing money at a ridiculous rate. How can a team like that survive?


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User currently offlineORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

How about the "farms"... the minor leagues? Are they on strike as well? I've seen couple of times their game in Philadelphia (Phantoms?). It was great fun to watch that's for sure.
They're all alive and running as far as I know. The minor league Wolves here in Chicago just started up their season. They are quite popular here compared to the NHL Blackhawks, mostly because they have had much more recent success and the sad fact that the Blackhawks are plagued by an incompetant owner. There were several times last season where the Wolves attendance exceeded Blackhawks attendance, impressive considering their stadium only seats a bit more than half of where the Hawks play.
I don't really miss the NHL too much...I was a pretty big hockey fan when I was younger and played on a team at school, but over the years my interest has faded. I agree with some of the above posts that when hockey returns it will be with far fewer teams. They'll probably have to stick to the biggest US markets and maybe expand in Canada. Baseball attendance took a pretty big hit for a few seasons after their strike about 10 years ago, and they have alot more fans than hockey does, so its hard to imagine the effect this will have on the future of the league.


User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1034 times:

I'm just glad it wasn't football or basketball players that decided to strike. All my buddies play and watch hockey but I never got into it. A final score of 2-0 isn't interesting to me.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1021 times:

According to Gary Bettman, there will not be any contraction (There will be some teams folding if the lockout goes into a second season, he didn't say this, but is a likely prospect), nor are there any plans to bring in replacement players (despite what Steve Belkin, one of the owners of the Atlanta Thrashers [and Hawks Governor] said a few weeks back and got fined $250,000 by the NHL for violating the gag order.).

There have been rumors that the NHL owners will fold the league and start a new league with the same teams and will have the economic system they want established.

I honestly miss seeing hockey; I'll probably make the hour drive up to Gwinnett County a few times to watch some ECHL hockey. The Gwinnett Gladiators had a record crowd of 8,536 on Friday night for their home opener. Or maybe I'll drive down to Macon and catch some really minor minor league hockey (Southern Professional Hockey League). The team is called the Macon Trax (Kinda crappy name, I liked their old team, the Macon Whoopie).


User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1007 times:

Lets see what the Player pep rally has for us on Nov.2. Perhaps a vote?....."Would you play with a salary cap?" LOL...i doubt it, but who knows what the Union boss has in store.

There have been a few players out there voicing their opinion on what is going on. To summarize......they would play with a cap in place, just as long as they are playing. The union wages given to the players during the strike are not that good, and I mean for the young guys, not for players like Sundin or Thornton.

Contraction, I feel, will happen. There are 6 teams out there that have a crap market and will not survive, even if the strike ends tomorrow.

Here's a question.....

What do you people think of all the players going to Europe and playing? Are they keeping in shape and staying active, or are they "scabs" taking spots of guys trying to make a living?

Also....

What is the average salary of European hockey players? Anybody know?


Andreas  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 992 times:

I'm just glad it wasn't football or basketball players that decided to strike.

Don't count your blessings too fast.....there's a lot of talk of an NBA lockout this time next year.

There are 6 teams out there that have a crap market and will not survive, even if the strike ends tomorrow.

I'm guessing Pittsburgh, Columbus, Nashville, Miami, Phoenix, and Ottawa would be possibilities. Other thoughts?

Tom at MSY




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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 976 times:

The ECHL is also playing too.

This lockout is a great opportunity for all of the minor leagues to show their stuff!



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User currently offlineLearpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 947 times:

TechRep, was it the RHI you played in? What team? Please tell us it wasn't the Pro Beach Hockey they had on ESPN2 a couple of years ago. You know, the one with the ramp behind the net.  Insane


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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 930 times:

Well this should tell you how much people care about the NHL......

ESPN hasn't put it in they're top stories since the lockout began. And taking the cake:

The World Series of Poker is more popular than watching the NHL on TV. Yes, the WSOP gets better ratings than then NHL.


SAD!!!!!


User currently offlineYokohama1970 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 199 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 891 times:

Seriously, the AHL, ECHL, WHL & others... are playing a full Ice Hockey Season. ESPN, ESPN2 & Fox Sports have filled in the NHL broadcasts with World Series of Poker. Poker is a lot of fun, but is completely unacceptable as an NHL substitute. I also love Soccer, why not show MLS, UEFA or Premiership UK soccer? The Phoenix Coyotes are the only Pro Ice Hockey Team here in Phoenix, AZ. Luckily, I taped all of the World Cup 2004, 2003-2004 Stanley Cup playoffs & 2002 Olympic Ice Hockey. NHL 2005 on PS2 is pretty good!

Tom


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User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 885 times:

Let us not forget that Major League baseball went on strike (in 1993) and despite much of that year's season loss and the total loss of the playoff/world series, they recovered since then. I don't think the NHL is dead, but it will have to contract and have to have financial disipline among it's teams players and owners. The NHL has a similar problem that Baseball has, that is many teams in small markets, with almost all of each team's income based on local TV money which varies a lot. The NHL is further hurt by the exchange rates of Canadian money as to the USA Dollar.
Several weeks ago, a ESPN writer suggested that the NHL will return in about January, as the majority of players, (the ones that make less than $500,000 US) will concede to salary caps that will assure them a paycheck to pay their bills and keep the dream of playing the highest level of hockey. There is in all sports far too much money thrown to a tiny number of players on each team for that 'superstar' which takes money away from the quality of backup and important role players that make up a team. That era of hyper huge saleries for a few players in team sports will have to change or they too will suffer.


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