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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 789 times:

The most important vote of my lifetime, so far, takes place tomorrow. We have fundamentally different candidates, and the choice, in my mind could not be clearer.

-If you approve of a war, started on false pretenses; where a new excuse is offered monthly for the reasons for that war, you choice is clear.

-If you believe that campaigning and governing on a platform of fear is proper, and moves the nation forward, your choice is clear.

-If you believe that cloaking everything your government does in secrecy, and veiling it behind the catch-all of "national security" is proper, your choice is clear.

-If you believe that large, booming deficits, that, someday, will have to be dealt with, are a proper way to govern, and are good for the economy, your choice is clear.

-If you believe that outsourcing jobs to other nations, and giving away good-paying American jobs in exchange for jobs that pay less and have fewer benefits, is a good thing, then your choice is clear.

-If you believe in letting polluters write clean air bills; if you believe in letting oil write the ground rules for oil; if you believe in letting energy companies dictate how they will treat consumers, your choice is clear.

-If you believe that it's right to keep safe and less expensive drugs from being imported from Canada; if you believe it is right that the cost of prescriptions can never go down, and only go up, your choice is clear.

-If you believe treating our friends and allies around the world with utter contempt because they won't tow our line without question, then your choice is clear.

If you believe in these things, your choice is clear.

If you don't, your choice is even clearer.

We need a new president; we need to regain our respect and dignity in the world around us. It's time to send Mr. Bush back to Texas where he can enjoy a healthy, safe, happy and blessed retirement.

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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 777 times:
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-If you believe that outsourcing jobs to other nations, and giving away good-paying American jobs in exchange for jobs that pay less and have fewer benefits, is a good thing, then your choice is clear.


If you believe either Presidential candidate can stop outsourcing entirely, I have a bridge to sell you.  Insane



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 775 times:

If you believe either Presidential candidate can stop outsourcing entirely..

That is true. But the current president doesn't even try to slow it down. It's time for a change.


User currently offlineNW747400 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 772 times:

If you believe what Falcon just said, I've got a nice beech front property in Arizona I'll sell you for a great price.
NW747400


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 766 times:

C-C-C-Come and face the Change
Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes!

As I drove through town this evening I saw clearly that change was in the air. Autumn has finally hit this little town called Durango, Colorado, and there are pro-Kerry pro-Change stickers everywhere, with narry a Bush sticker in site. If this tiny pocket of liberalism is more prevalent around the country, then I think the future looks bright.

If this town is the last liberal stronghold on a conservative america, then the future looks very, very bleak.

My choice has been made.


User currently offlineN771AN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 759 times:

Autumn has finally hit this little town called Durango, Colorado, and there are pro-Kerry pro-Change stickers everywhere, with narry a Bush sticker in site.

It must be change because there are Bush signs all over the state of New Jersey. I have never seen such a thing!


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 757 times:

It must be change because there are Bush signs all over the state of New Jersey. I have never seen such a thing!

And he's still losing in most polls there. Amazing!

And, uh, I doubt you've been "all over" the state just to check that out.  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineNW747400 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 757 times:

I wonder how many people live in your town? I'm in a town of 250,000. Over the last two weeks, I've seen 25 Kerry-Edwards bumper stickers. In that same amount of time I've seen SO many Bush-Cheney bumper stickers I stopped counting at 200. I would say your in a small pocket of liberalism.
NW747400


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 754 times:

Yeah, this county is going liberal, 40,000 people in Durango. Unfortunately the rest of the state will probably go Bush, including the county I voted in. Damn.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 739 times:

I wonder how many people live in your town? I'm in a town of 250,000.

Then you're not looking. I live in a town of about 45,000, and have seen several hundred Kerry signs, and maybe 150 Bush signs.

And I really that isn't indicative of how the vote will, because the majority of the houses don't have signs, and so you can't tell who's pulling for whom.


User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 736 times:

Falcon84:

Don't forget about the Bush administration's trend of selling off wild public land..

Or that (as he claimed in one of the debates) he would tell someone that just had their job outsourced (for fun, let's consider that person a PhD in the Silicon Valley.. where it happens) that there's assistance on the way to help them through a community college or technical school, so that they can learn the skills of the 21st century.



User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 727 times:

To me if Bush, or anybody for that matter, said that straight to my face, I would probably put my fist straight to theirs.

User currently offlineNW747400 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 726 times:

Falcon, Oh I look. I don't count yard signs, because I can't possibly cover the whole city. Since people drive all over the city I count bumper stickers. I see significantly more Bush-Cheney bumper stickers as I stated in my earlier post.
NW747400


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 723 times:

You see more, BECAUSE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THEM.

Got it?  Smile


User currently offlineN771AN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 718 times:

And, uh, I doubt you've been "all over" the state just to check that out.

I'm constantly on the road.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 717 times:

Do I have to walk out into my Campus parking lot to count the number of bush stickers vs the number of kerry stickers?

Oh wait it is college and therefore somehow biased  Yeah sure


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 702 times:

And as you drive down here in Cocoa Beach, FL...nary is a Kerry sign found...Pro-Bush everywhere, people standing with signs, and general anti-Kerry feelings in the air. If one poor bastard stands out on the curb with a Kerry sign, he gets about 1000 middle fingers. Florida WILL be carried by OUR President.

I've got a nice beech front property in Arizona I'll sell you for a great price.

From what I hear, Steaksauce has been talking to George Strait about that property, he mentioned it in one of his songs several years back..maybe Kerry can enjoy it too, but usually Arizona swings Conservative  Smile

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 698 times:

I hope the thread starter would enjoy paying for the higher prices on items that would result from an end to outsourcing and paying for them out of the smaller take-home pay after higher taxation.

User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 686 times:

If you believe everything Falcon wrote in his opening to this thread is true...

God help you. Your more f*cked up then I thought.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 683 times:

I hope the thread starter would enjoy paying for the higher prices on items that would result from an end to outsourcing and paying for them out of the smaller take-home pay after higher taxation.

One of the dumber things I've ever read on here.

Know what happens when you outsource all these jobs, Jaxpax, and bring back ones that pay less? Eventually, you erode the consumer power of the American people, not increase it. Eventually, all these companies that outsource, are going to find that Americans that they've short-changed can't afford their products.

When your job gets outsourced, I want you to come on here and tell me what a great thing it is.


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 678 times:

"When your job gets outsourced, I want you to come on here and tell me what a great thing it is."


Jax...

Falcon does not have to worry about his job being outsourced... Ask him why.  Big grin



User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 677 times:

At the moment I don't have to worry about my job being outsourced, that is, unless FLC up and moves to India Big grin

If you believe everything Falcon wrote in his opening to this thread is true...

God help you. Your more f*cked up then I thought.


If you ignore the truth and instead believe everything Bush tells you, You are more F*cked up than I already knew Big grin


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 672 times:

"At the moment I don't have to worry about my job being outsourced, that is, unless FLC up and moves to India"

Falcon does not either, nor my trash collector. Service jobs are good... Big grin

FLC?

Don't assume things Eric, you know what happens.  Big grin You know nothing of my beliefs. Trust me on that.

It is o.k. for you to have liberal views at your age. Hell, if you didn't something would be wrong. Once you actually earn a living, (by that I mean making more in a week then what you can spend eating...) I'm sure your views will change when you see large amounts of your money being taken for some "feel good" tax.....

How's the basket weaving classes coming?


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 656 times:

Basket weaving classes are going better than the daily "Fox Brainwashing 101" classes.

And you know what? I don't feel any loss losing money to taxes. It's gonna happen no matter who you vote for.


User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 653 times:

"I don't feel any loss losing money to taxes."

LOL....that's because you don't make any.


25 Kohflot : So does anyone want to counter Falcon84's original arguments without lobbing personal attacks? Oh.. and one more to go in there.. Remember when the Bu
26 Post contains images DLKAPA : LOL....that's because you don't make any. Good point
27 Redngold : Falcon, Oh I look. I don't count yard signs, because I can't possibly cover the whole city. Since people drive all over the city I count bumper sticke
28 BN747 : If this town is the last liberal stronghold on a conservative america, then the future looks very, very bleak. Ummm... can you spell 'C.A.L.I.F.O.R.N.
29 DeltaGuy : And great post Falcon84.. and glad to see you how you are now vs when you were saying it looks like a Bush win a month ago... He's a great flip floppe
30 DC10GUY : Falcon84 excellent post dude. But you for got this one ... "If you don't mind American kids comings home to their families dead or crippled from fight
31 DLKAPA : If you don't mind a candidate who has polarized the nation moreso than any other time in history, when half the population looks down upon the other h
32 Corpsnerd09 : Perhaps Cocoa Beach may be like that, but last time I was in Tampa I was surpised to find so many Kerry/Edwards Bumper Stickers in a county that not o
33 Mir : I have made my choice. I will go to the polls tomorrow and cast the first vote I will ever make for John Kerry. I will be honest and say that I am vot
34 DLKAPA : And that post, ladies and gentleman, is what makes america strong. Welcome to my RR dude!
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