FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4930 posts, RR: 53 Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1356 times:
Good work Hungary,
breaking news from CNN... Hungary will pull its 300 troops out of Iraq. GWB wants to go alone, I hope more nations pull out of the "coalition of the willing"
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19689 posts, RR: 56 Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1328 times:
Hungary even had troops in Iraq??
News to me.
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19689 posts, RR: 56 Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1310 times:
Wow, thats right up there near the top of this "grand coalition." Why isn't Bush screaming "You forgot Hungary!" all over the place?
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
OYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 77 posts, RR: 16 Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1292 times:
Solarix,
So you people do care anyway???
Personally I'm not in for withdrawing troops in a stage like this. If the war was soon to be over I would understand it. But start pulling them right in the middle of the inferno. That is plain stupid. Especially sincé it's not only US who depends on them. It's even the rest of the coalition as well.
SW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6072 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1240 times:
When I was in Hungary this summer, I was there when their first troop died in Iraq (and only?). People I talked to were sad, and since then, they have hated the fact that they were in Iraq, so I think this is best for them at this point in time.
I do think it's funny that President Bush was always yelling "Poland, Poland, Poland" as his example of other nations helping out in Iraq. Why not Hungary or any of the other countries? haha, good times
L.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1234 times:
FLYYUL,
Yeah, they'll definitely be in peace when another Baathist dictator takes over and gets back to filling up those mass graves. Wake the friggen hell up.
FDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 38 Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1217 times:
>>>wake the friggin hell up.<<<
Yul
Grow up. Bad things don't disappear when you close your eye's.
You could actually care less about the Iraqi's. Your main concern is showing up President Bush.
FDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 38 Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1199 times:
Again, you could care one hill of beans about the average Iraqi citizen.
N670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1595 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1193 times:
Though I hate to say it, L.1011 is right. The U.S. can't pull out of Iraq right now. If they did, who knows what would happen: a massive and bloody civil war could develop or the Baathist party could rise again (though a civil war could happen anyway).
I think it's sad that the Bush Administration took their shit-on-the-world approach to Iraq, and now, the small coalition that was assembled, is breaking away.
Tungd From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 103 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1188 times:
FLYYUL,
It doesn't matter whether you think it was right or wrong to invade Iraq; the simple fact is that it's a done deal.
If the occupation were to end today, or even 6 months or a year from now, the country currently know as Iraq would likely dissolve into a human disaster not experienced in modern times. Saddam's government was far from perfect, but it at least brought a measure of stability to the general population. A whole generation of Iraqi citizens was raised knowing nothing about the "real world" other than the information (propaganda) provided to them by the government; North Koreans still face a similar situation.
While all humans are created equal, knowledge is one of the keys to a sustainable, civil society. The Iraqi people, who up until a year and half ago knew little about self-governance, are in a very vulnerable position right now. That's one reason foreigners, with agendas of their own, have flocked to Iraq. These foreigners, generally called "terrorists" here in the U.S. and mostly violent Islamic fundamentalists, are taking advantage of the Iraqi people. These new arrivals don't give a damn about the goodwill of the citizens themselves. Through Saddam, Iraqis have always been told that Americans are bad; the "terrorists" are backing up those long-held beliefs, thus creating the "insurgency" to further their own violent agendas.
The national community MUST unite at this point. The stated goal of the Administration is self-governance by the Iraqi people. Right now, the only way that can happen is with the major powers of the world working together to provide stability in the region. Iraq is nowhere near being able to successfully maintain its own governance.
Airplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1182 times:
The national community MUST unite at this point.
Screw that. You guys made the mess, you fix it. Why should other countries lose piles of money to back up the US when we all warned that this would be a fiasco?
If you ignore the international community before you attack, then be prepared to be ignored when it all goes in the toilet.
By the way. Thanks for the 25% increase in the Canadian dollar...
FDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 38 Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1181 times:
>>>By the way. Thanks for the 25% increase in the Canadian dollar...<<<
Well now I know your utopia. Iraqi's dying and the Canadian dollar rising.
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4930 posts, RR: 53 Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1162 times:
Dear Sir,
There are many countries in this world that need dire intervention like Iraq.. however will you invade such countries.
So;
a.) why pick and choose?
b.) what is the lowest common denominator?
Again Iraq did nothing wrong to America. In 2001, Colin Powell went on the record to suggest that Iraq did not possess capabilities to create weapons of mass destruction, but it suddenly took a turn for the worse after 09/11.
Whatever... dont talk to me about humanitarian.
The Americans are doign a better job guarding the oil fields than the population, of which conservative estimates, show a death tally of at least 50,000 (not including troops, insurgents, and other related activity deaths).
BA From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1153 times:
Yeah, they'll definitely be in peace when another Baathist dictator takes over and gets back to filling up those mass graves.
There is nothing evil about Baathism in itself.
All Baathists believe in is pan-Arabism and unity among the Arab states. However, the Bush Administration has stated they are against Baathist ideals, even though they are upheld and supported by the majority of Arabs. That's one of the things that is angering the Arab world with the US handling of Iraq.
The Baath party's motto is "Unity, Freedom, Socialism."
They are the #1 pan-Arabist political party in the Arab world and they alone have nothing to do with Saddam and in no way represent the evil that Saddam represented.
Sadly the Baath party has been hijacked by corrupt politicians, but the principles of Baathism are absolutely great.
The combination of good leadership and Baathism is wonderful. It's a shame that Bush is against it...
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
Indianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1128 times:
Though I hate to say it, L.1011 is right. The U.S. can't pull out of Iraq right now. If they did, who knows what would happen: a massive and bloody civil war could develop or the Baathist party could rise again (though a civil war could happen anyway).
Massive civil war, Baathist party rising again! Wow! Pretty educated insights on foreign policy from a 16 year old!! Hardly original though since the text is straight out of a GOP pamphlet!
To address this topic: Well looks like the Grand Coalition is already falling apart under the stress! The Iraqi freedom struggle is picking up steam and considering the recent record in Iraq, the Hungarians are being pretty smart in withdrawing before the shit hits the fan!
People are going to continue to get killed as long as America continues to throttle the Iraqi right to self-determination. Iraq should be ruled by Iraqis. Period. And no a puppet appointed by Washington and ruling on its behalf does not count as freedom.
Give the IRaqis their freedom and nobody gets hurt. Remember Vietnam? Iraq will soon make Vietnam look like a Kindergarten picnic. So it would make sense for the members of the "coalition" to address their own interests and leave while they can!
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8355 posts, RR: 47 Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1105 times:
Indeed, leaving now would make things worse than ever. It would spike a civil war and likely more terrorism. So it's not really an option.
However, I think the US started the mess, now it's its turn to clean it up. Simple as that, Bush and his admin didn't listen, and now the US and the so-called coalition will have to foot the bill, like it or not.
Do I glee about the headline? Hell yeah, one more country pulling out that shouldn't have gone there in the first place, and one more country slapping Bush in the face leaving his oh-so-great coalition.
Do I hate the headline? Yes, for Iraq needs stability and the world needs stability in Iraq - it won't get it any faster this way.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11433 posts, RR: 81 Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1085 times:
Hungary has about 300 support troops in Iraq and they had a parliamentary charter to stay until dec 31 this year. They have actually been extended by three months to assist with elections. All you people who want to find something to crow about should probably look for something positive instead of hoping that something happens to embarrass the US that will also diminish the chances for freedom and democracy for the Iraqis (not to mention the possibility of increased allied casualties, both of which are why the new Hungarian leader agreed to extend them for three months).
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1077 times:
Dl021, despite the fact that you and others keep telling us to look for positives, there aren't any. The nation is close to civil war; basic things like running water and electricity still aren't working even in Baghdad; terrorism is running rampant, thanks to our invasion. The U.S. has done quite will in embarrassing itself, I'd say, it doesn't need the help of the world in that regard.
Jamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 9 Reply 25, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1071 times:
Meltdown amongst the usual players on this board I see.
"The Baath party's motto is "Unity, Freedom, Socialism."
They are the #1 pan-Arabist political party in the Arab world and they alone have nothing to do with Saddam and in no way represent the evil that Saddam represented.
Sadly the Baath party has been hijacked by corrupt politicians, but the principles of Baathism are absolutely great."
Sounds a lot like communism...we all know it would work in a utopian society of say...38 people. Anything larger than that and it succumbs to the greed of a few.
Can you name one instance where it has worked for the betterment of the people at large?
"All Baathists believe in is pan-Arabism and unity among the Arab states...Baathist ideals, even though they are upheld and supported by the majority of Arabs."
Well if that is the case why do we not see a return to a United Arab Front ala 1967, or 1973? Why, if so many believe in these ideals can't the Arab world come together and agree on anything?
"...despite the fact that you and others keep telling us to look for positives, there aren't any."
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