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Gunpowder Plot...Need Brittish Explanation  
User currently offlineTechrep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 981 times:

Britts,

Please explain the Gunpowder Plot holiday and why you celebrate it.

TechRep

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User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 972 times:

Guy Fawlkes wanted to blow up Parliament by placing barrels of gunpowder in the basement, and got caught. He was hung and left to rot off the bridge.

Every year there is a celebration of the prevention of the destruction of Parliament that involves fireworks to represent the explosions averted.

I'm not British, but thats the gist.



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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 972 times:

In brief, a certain chap called Guy Faulkes made a plan to blow up the Houses of Parliament in London on November 5th many centuries ago (sometimes referred to as the gunpowder plot).

The plan was foiled. Guy Faulkes was sentanced and believe was burned at the stake (hence having a 'guy' on top of bonfires) and now every November 5th, (or the weekend nearest the 5th) there are huge bonfires and firework displays throughout the UK. Its a huge tradition here and the organised displays which seem to take place in every town and city are fantastic.



[Edited 2004-11-05 23:13:20]


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User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 946 times:

I thought he was hung...was he burnt at the stake? Please correct me if I was wrong, as I HATE being wrong.


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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 940 times:

He was to be hung but jumped from the gallows and broke his neck, he died instantly.


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User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 939 times:

Guido Fawkes was sentenced to be hung, drawn and quartered.

Nowadays he'd have got an ASBO.


User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 917 times:

ok..I've got 3 or 4 different answers from British guys....come on and make up your minds befire I have to actually go look it up myself.

Was he hung and then displayed, or was he burnt?



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User currently offlineTrident3 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 908 times:

take a look at http://www.bonefire.org/guy/index.php which will fill you in with this uniquely English folk celebration. It is not a holiday though, just something we celebrate.


"We are the warrior race-Tough men in the toughest sport." Brian Noble, Head Coach, Great Britain Rugby League.
User currently offlineTrident3 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 1013 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 907 times:

Oh and they were all hanged drawn and quatered apart from one conspiritor who died in prison.

"Guy Fawkes where are you now your country needs you?" Big grin
" Guy Fawkes ,the only sane man to enter parliament" Big grin



"We are the warrior race-Tough men in the toughest sport." Brian Noble, Head Coach, Great Britain Rugby League.
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 909 times:

Every year there is a celebration of the prevention of the destruction of Parliament that involves fireworks to represent the explosions averted.

I thought it was a celebration of the attempt that came just "this" close to succeeding. When I was living in England years ago, I kinda caught that subtlety.

Charles


User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 889 times:

What's been missed so far is that it wasn't actually an attempt to destroy Parliament itself, but actually to assassinate the King who would be in the building at the time. The barrels of powder were placed roughly below the position of the state throne used by the King in the chambers.

So the 5th of November was started as a celebration of the failed attempt on the life of the King.

"Remember, remember, the Fifth of November
Gunpowder treason and plot"

Another more recent tradition, where I come from, is that not one house on the estate had a garden gate on the 6th of November. They were all built with wooden gates and were brilliant for bonfires....



[Edited 2004-11-06 13:21:28]

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 871 times:

Jesus. Is this what you guys do instead of Thanksgiving?


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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 869 times:

Following this reasoning shouldn't there be a huge party in Dallas on November 22?

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 859 times:

Nahhh. Kennedy bought it.


As opposed too......

What day was Reagan shot?

Edit: Nix that Reagan got hit too.

Maybe Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme is a better comparison.

[Edited 2004-11-06 16:16:51]


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14127 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 856 times:

The whole thing comes from a dispute between Roman Catholics and Protestants. After Henry VIII split from the Roman Catholic church over a divorce dispute and founded his own Anglican church, with the king being head of the church, all of his subjects had to swear an oath on him as the head of church. Who objected was thrown into jail. Also RC church property was confiscated under chancellor Thomas Cromwell.
Under his successor, young Edward IV, the division was even more pronounced through the adoption of a newly translated version of the Bible. At the same time radical Protestants hunted Catholics for what they considered to be idoltry (statues of Christ, and Mary etc.).
After edward´s death (he was always sickly and died very young), mary Tudor, a staunch Catholic, became queen. She was also married to a Spanish prince and tried, with the help of the Spanish, to restore the Roman Catholic church as the state religion. She did this very clumsily by reintroducing the inquisition and now persecuted Protestants.
After she died, there was a period of religious chaos, with hardliners of both religions killing each other. Queen Elisabeth I managed to restore order, on oner hand by slapping down on the more radical Protestants (who, because they were angry that they were not allowed to burn Catholics at the stake anymore, moved to America on the Mayflower, they were the Puritans), and at the same time by banning Catholics from public office. Additionaly everybody had to swear an oath on her, refusal was punishable by death. Catholics were also banned from political positions, like becoming MPs. This was mostly a popular reaction on Catholics previously cooperating with an external enemy (the Spanish).
Of course, her and her successor´spolitics were not liked by everybody. A militant group of 12 Catholics decided to blow up the Protestant parliament, free imprisoned Sir Walther Raleigh from the Tower of London and install a Catholic king.
Guy Fawkes was a veteran mercenary and former miner, who used to fight for the Spanish in Flanders as a sapper. Due to his knowledge in using explosives he was chosen to execute the plan.

Jan



User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13240 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 832 times:

I remember as a kid going to Bonfire parties, either big public events with huge firework displays, or smaller ones in our street, then someone would volunteer their garden for the evening, others would get fuel for the fire and the pyrotechnics in, the rest would sort the food.

These days, every vile little chav seems to chuck fireworks around for weeks before and after the event.



User currently offlineHeyMach From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 821 times:

Jesus. Is this what you guys do instead of Thanksgiving?

That's why we have turkey at Christmas.

Nowadays he'd have got an ASBO.

Very good Whitehatter! Sadly, too true.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 782 times:

Jesus. Is this what you guys do instead of Thanksgiving?

We've been doing it since before Thanksgiving. So, technically, Thanksgiving is what you lot do instead of Bonfire Night.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlinePilot kaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 781 times:

In Nowadays, Bonfire night is just a reason to play around with rockets  Big thumbs up

I bet the younger generation of kids these days would not have a clue why we have it either.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 762 times:

Fawkes and the other conspirators were sentenced to the standard death for traitors, to be hung drawn and quartered, which involves being hanged by the neck but not killed, then taken down while still alive, castrated and disembowelled, with your organs burnt in front of you on a brazier, then the body is chopped into four quarters and the parts distributed for general viewing. Not pretty. Fawkes escaped this gruesome execution by jumping from the gallows ladder after the hangman had put the noose round his neck - the noose broke his neck and killed him.

Real family entertainment !


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13240 posts, RR: 77
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 757 times:

This is reminding me of the seminal episode in series 2 of Blackadder, when Edmund gets the job of 'Lord High Executioner', as Queen Elizabeth explains to him, 'you see there are lots of Catholics just dying to have their heads sneaked off, but no one to organize it'.



User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14127 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 754 times:

It also depended in how far the family of the condemed could bribe the hangman. If the bribe was high enough, the hangman made sure the convict was dead before he took him off the gallows.

Jan


User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 754 times:

We've been doing it since before Thanksgiving

Slight correction...we've been doing it since 'before' America!

Guy Fawkes. The only man ever to enter Parliament with a good idea...

[Edited 2004-11-08 18:51:46]

User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1837 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 735 times:

Well, I had the pleasure of joining 40,000 of my fellow sarf-London-ers on Clapham Common on Friday evening to watch a fantastic fireworks display....although I bet the arrivals on 27L/R at Heathrow got a better view!  Smile

(Also, I flew NCL-LHR on Sunday evening and it seemed that the whole country was having a display...quite something from 27,000ft.)


User currently offlineJamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 706 times:

Oh and Guy Fawkes wasnt the only one involved in the plot. He just drew the short straw to stay behind and light the fuse.

I had the pleasure of having fireworks aimed at me Friday evening while flying VFR back into Manchester just after sunset.


Jamo


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