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User currently offlineBushcheney2004 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

I do not understand why some people are moving out of the country because Bush got re-elected. To leave a great country for such a reason is absolutely ridiculous. Even though I am very conservative, I would not have left the country if Kerry would have won. I simply do not understand it. Could somebody help me understand this. Us in America should be more united as Americans, and not divided as Republicans and Democrats.

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User currently offline5NEOO From Nigeria, joined Nov 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1505 times:

For the LOVE of GOD!

Could some of you guys tone down the number of election related threads being posted?



Admit it, you could care less about the continent Africa!
User currently offlineN771AN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1505 times:

The "tolerant" democrats can't possibly live with republicans.

User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

If people want to leave, that is fine. If they find Bush so adhorant that they cannot stand living in the US with him as president, I would rather they leave and be happy than stay and complain. I have said before that denying the government your tax dollars is a good way to protest. If enough people do it, they will pay attention.


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User currently offlineBushcheney2004 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

Lowrider, I am not saying that they should not move, but rather asking why.


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

The why is probably as varied as the people who actually leave, but my guess would be they think that we will miss them, see the error of our ways, and fall all over ourselves trying to get them back. I would like to hear how many actually leave.


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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

Something tells me that the number of people who actually leave will be very small.


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineBushcheney2004 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

PROSA, you are probably correct, but that people would just say that and mean it, even as just an apparent threat does not make sense.

User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

Is this just urban myth, or are there people, known for a fact to be leaving because of Bush? It seems suspicious to me. At any rate, in a country of 300 million people, why worry about who's coming , or going, or why?

User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

Well, if you truly are serious about wanting to understand why, I'd love to tell you, even tho it's probably going to open me up to getting ripped on. I can tell you my thoughts on this because I'm actually considering it myself.

I know I won't be living where I am now for the next for years. My short list is Los Angeles, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Denver (Just so I can negate JeffM's vote  Big grin) and Vancouver. I told myself that if Bush got re-elected I would give a serious look to Vancouver.

To be honest, this would not be my only reason, but it is a factor. The first reason is I simply do not feel safe here anymore. I think all this "homeland security" stuff is a cock of shit. I work for an airline, so I see this up close daily. The TSA is a joke. If you've already talked yourself into dying for your cause, getting a weapon on an aircraft is nothing. Our borders are like swiss cheese. Cargo shipments via air and sea are hardly checked. Bottomline, I believe Bush has traded our freedom for the illusion of security. We're going to get attacked again, it's too easy. I feel his policies in the middle east have given our enemies more motivation to attack us and has made the world more unstable and dangerous. The scary thing is there's people that would still support Bush once it happens.

Which is a segway into another reason: The erosion of our liberties and privacy. I'm almost sick of the phrase "since 9-11". My passion of aviation photography has been replaced within fear of getting caught. And for what? Doing something perfectly legal? It used to be that if you disagreed with the establishment, you were a patriot. Now you're the enemy. Now if you don't agree with a war, you don't support our troops. There's a lot more things I see that are too elaborate to get into on here, but I'm slowly watching day turn into night, and I don't like it.

The largest reason for me to consider moving to Canada: Ever since election day, I feel like I've lost my country. Yea, I know, boo fucking hoo, but that's the best way I can describe it. Things are no logical here. I mean, Bush has a low approval rating, most people thought Iraq was a mistake, most people don't like the direction we're headed, yet the message was sent: Yes George, we approve of what you're doing. I really had faith and a belief that the people of this country knew right from wrong. My confidence and pride in the US is shattered now.

Finally, I don't believe things will change. You can hear it already in things like "we have a mandate" (meaning the American people approve of our actions) and "I want to reach out to the people who share our goals", a disguised attempt to mend some fences with the Dems. If you read between the lines, it's bull shit. We don't share your goals. "Let's be united again" really means "sit down and shut up". "Join me in my effort to better America" means "conform to what I want". I see things progressively getting worse for people with a dissenting point of view. I for one, will never sign a "loyalty oath"

So those are my reasons, and no it's not because I'm just bummed out right now. This is a feeling that's not going away anytime soon. I feel we just gave Bush cart blanche to do what he wants, we just approved the destruction of America. I believe these people, like me, don't like what Bush and his administration are turning this great country into. And save your "whining liberal" shit. I'm neither whining, or liberal. I'm genuinely concerned about the future of my country.

A final thought: When was the last time a President had such a negative effect on some of the citizens of this country that they would consider leaving the country. That alone should tell you something.

B


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

1) there's going to be a nigh-negligible number of people who would undergo the expense/inconvenience of moving solely for the reason of avoiding a GWB-led USA.

2) I'd more than happily help them pack


User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

I'd more than happily help them pack

Could you be at my house around noon next Saturday?



-Dan



A guy asks 'What's Punk?'. I kick over a trash can and its punk. He knocks over a trash can and its trendy.
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

Don't let the door hitcha where the Lord splitcha.

User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

I'd more than happily help them pack

Don't let the door hitcha where the Lord splitcha

Proving my point perfectly, thanks!

B




User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1307 times:

Bush is an ignorant redneck, but to leave the country due to him, is crazy.


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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

Interesting that nobody disputed the points that NonRevKing made.


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User currently offlineN229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1253 times:

NonRevKing,

That's a really intelligent post that expresses much of what I'm feeling (and you've hit the nail on the head about this "let's all come together now" thing the right is spouting). At least for now, I can't leave, for practical reasons. I guess there's a part of me that wants to stay and keep working to change things here too...to keep more votes against this government around for 2006 and 2008, etc.

Only one thing in your post:
I'm neither whining, nor liberal.
Don't let them turn liberal into a dirty word. I'm liberal and proud, and from everything you say, sounds as if you are too (belief in the importance of civil liberties, and so on). For God's sake, liberal is barely left of center historically--liberalism has a long tradition in European and American thought, and I hate to see that ever since Dukakis didn't stand up when the republicans called him liberal, it's become some kind of insult implying far-left demagoguery.

Anyway, I bet you'll love Canada, but come back in time to vote in the next one!!



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineMark777300 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1242 times:

If I had the money, and I could just pick up and go, I would do it right now! Canada sounds real nice right now! But then I came to realize that what Bush does here can affect the entire world. NO, Nobody is safe from his grip. It's so sad to say this considering that the US is such a great place to live, but when the rest of the world hates you or wants you dead mostly at the reason that they see us all as supporting the elected president, it almost becomes a liability. So good night to all those Bush Supporters, make sure to cover yourself up with Bush's security blanket. NO, NO, the terrorist won't get you, Bush will protect you, just like he did on 9/11.

User currently offlineGREATANSETT From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 509 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

(IMO)Has it ever occurred to you that America is not such a great country......(And Bush will make it worse). Sorry I just finished watching Bowling for Columbine.


Ron Paul 2012
User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1206 times:

One of my friend's friends just moved to London because of the wonderful way the Bush goversnt he country. The fact that they are leaving the country is perfectly expected because anyone who is a Democrat is quite upset at this time.

User currently offlineTYSGoVols From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 634 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

If they are that close minded send em' to Europe where they belong.

<>< Garen



Rocky Top You'll Always be home sweet home to me, Good ole' Rocky Top WOOOOO
User currently offlineQ330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1196 times:

Could it possibly be because of what the country might become under another Bush presidency? With control of the House and Senate, Bush and the republicans will be able to push their radical right-wing agenda more effectively? Goodbye to moderation...

Could it possibly be due to Bush's reckless foreign policy stirring up incredible amounts of anti-American sentiment in the world? You may say that you don't care what other people think about the U.S., but it does matter when that person is angry enough to want to blow you up. That anyone voted for Bush because they felt he'd protect them from terrorism is absolutely ridiculous. He is the problem, not the solution. (Incidentally, can anyone explain the reasoning behind thinking that Bush will protect us from terrorism, when 9/11 happened on his watch?)

To directly answer your question, many people do not feel like America is their country any more since Bush's agenda goes against almost everything they believe in and they feel like he is ripping the country apart with his radical agenda.

-Q

p.s. Good post, NonRevKing.



Long live the A330!
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

Americans blend right in here in Canada. Come on up...........


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

Anyone who moves out of the US just because Bush got re-elected has way too much time on their hands.

Lame  Insane


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

Oh good grief. The only thing more pathetic than the extremist right wingers advocating setting civil liberties back a few decades are the reactionaries who claim to want to skip town because of it.

Seriously folks, if you truly care so much about your country then it is your duty to stay put and raise hell about all you consider dear. Running away is the act of a coward. Speak up loudly and maybe people will listen to your message the next time elections roll around.

Democracy is about majority rule. That means that sometimes you are in the minority and on the losing side. A strong opposition is the key to democracy. If the opposition spends it time running away to Vancouver, nothing's gonna change.


25 Post contains links L-188 : And for those of you who think that you need to move to Canada a website has been set up Apparently Canadians are willing to marry you to get you out
26 Captoveur : If all the Dumbacrats pack up and flee to Europe and Canada who is going to vote for whatever the Donkey party runs in 2008?
27 Bushcheney2004 : Dan2002, you already live in Canada.
28 Qb001 : Since last Wednesday, the Canadian Government reports that its immigration websites have experienced a 700% increase in traffic (from 20,000 to 140,00
29 N670UW : I'm not living the country, but I can see why some would consider it. If one feels his or her country is being so incredibly misled and puts everythin
30 Aaron747 : I'll be leaving the country in a couple years as well. Of course it will have nothing to do with any pithy political motivations - just pure self-indu
31 N771AN : If anyone wants to leave the country... please email me. I will gladly donate some frequent flyer miles to get your ass out of here.
32 SW733 : I voted for Kerry, and Bush really scares me at times, but I wouldn't leave the US. A few of my friends want to, and I just see that as super immature
33 Cwapilot : "Bush is an ignorant redneck, but to leave the country due to him, is crazy." This sort of comment boggles my mind. OK....2 issues. 1. Let's say you a
34 Turtle : Cwapilot, I couldn't agree more. Good riddance to those spineless pansies wah, wah - ing over the election and threatening to run away rather than acc
35 Post contains images N670UW : And they wonder why this country is so divided... N670UW
36 Post contains images ORDflyer : A lot of people have been joking about it, but when it comes down to it nobody in their right mind would quit their job, and drag their family out of
37 Cwapilot : N670UW...you like to toss that self righteous little comment around...are you suggesting that the fools who go on about moving to a different country
38 N670UW : No, I'm not saying those who skip to Canada promote unity. I'm saying that you've got conservatives calling for unity, yet they like to throw out insu
39 Airplay : American history is full of people who performed deliberate actions in response to their disenchantment with the government. I think moving to another
40 Peterpuck : and welcome to the real "land of the free".
41 StarAC17 : Even if Americans leave they can still retain there citizenship and vote in 2008 so the democrats can win both ways, not live under Bush and be able t
42 FDXmech : >>>Canada could pretty much welcome a million of sophisticated, progressist, informed, well educated, well off and dynamic Americans.
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