Bushcheney2004 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1636 times:
I do not understand why some people are moving out of the country because Bush got re-elected. To leave a great country for such a reason is absolutely ridiculous. Even though I am very conservative, I would not have left the country if Kerry would have won. I simply do not understand it. Could somebody help me understand this. Us in America should be more united as Americans, and not divided as Republicans and Democrats.
Lowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1602 times:
If people want to leave, that is fine. If they find Bush so adhorant that they cannot stand living in the US with him as president, I would rather they leave and be happy than stay and complain. I have said before that denying the government your tax dollars is a good way to protest. If enough people do it, they will pay attention.
Lowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1590 times:
The why is probably as varied as the people who actually leave, but my guess would be they think that we will miss them, see the error of our ways, and fall all over ourselves trying to get them back. I would like to hear how many actually leave.
Avt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1566 times:
Is this just urban myth, or are there people, known for a fact to be leaving because of Bush? It seems suspicious to me. At any rate, in a country of 300 million people, why worry about who's coming , or going, or why?
NonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1529 times:
Well, if you truly are serious about wanting to understand why, I'd love to tell you, even tho it's probably going to open me up to getting ripped on. I can tell you my thoughts on this because I'm actually considering it myself.
I know I won't be living where I am now for the next for years. My short list is Los Angeles, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Denver (Just so I can negate JeffM's vote ) and Vancouver. I told myself that if Bush got re-elected I would give a serious look to Vancouver.
To be honest, this would not be my only reason, but it is a factor. The first reason is I simply do not feel safe here anymore. I think all this "homeland security" stuff is a cock of shit. I work for an airline, so I see this up close daily. The TSA is a joke. If you've already talked yourself into dying for your cause, getting a weapon on an aircraft is nothing. Our borders are like swiss cheese. Cargo shipments via air and sea are hardly checked. Bottomline, I believe Bush has traded our freedom for the illusion of security. We're going to get attacked again, it's too easy. I feel his policies in the middle east have given our enemies more motivation to attack us and has made the world more unstable and dangerous. The scary thing is there's people that would still support Bush once it happens.
Which is a segway into another reason: The erosion of our liberties and privacy. I'm almost sick of the phrase "since 9-11". My passion of aviation photography has been replaced within fear of getting caught. And for what? Doing something perfectly legal? It used to be that if you disagreed with the establishment, you were a patriot. Now you're the enemy. Now if you don't agree with a war, you don't support our troops. There's a lot more things I see that are too elaborate to get into on here, but I'm slowly watching day turn into night, and I don't like it.
The largest reason for me to consider moving to Canada: Ever since election day, I feel like I've lost my country. Yea, I know, boo fucking hoo, but that's the best way I can describe it. Things are no logical here. I mean, Bush has a low approval rating, most people thought Iraq was a mistake, most people don't like the direction we're headed, yet the message was sent: Yes George, we approve of what you're doing. I really had faith and a belief that the people of this country knew right from wrong. My confidence and pride in the US is shattered now.
Finally, I don't believe things will change. You can hear it already in things like "we have a mandate" (meaning the American people approve of our actions) and "I want to reach out to the people who share our goals", a disguised attempt to mend some fences with the Dems. If you read between the lines, it's bull shit. We don't share your goals. "Let's be united again" really means "sit down and shut up". "Join me in my effort to better America" means "conform to what I want". I see things progressively getting worse for people with a dissenting point of view. I for one, will never sign a "loyalty oath"
So those are my reasons, and no it's not because I'm just bummed out right now. This is a feeling that's not going away anytime soon. I feel we just gave Bush cart blanche to do what he wants, we just approved the destruction of America. I believe these people, like me, don't like what Bush and his administration are turning this great country into. And save your "whining liberal" shit. I'm neither whining, or liberal. I'm genuinely concerned about the future of my country.
A final thought: When was the last time a President had such a negative effect on some of the citizens of this country that they would consider leaving the country. That alone should tell you something.
N229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2051 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1373 times:
That's a really intelligent post that expresses much of what I'm feeling (and you've hit the nail on the head about this "let's all come together now" thing the right is spouting). At least for now, I can't leave, for practical reasons. I guess there's a part of me that wants to stay and keep working to change things here too...to keep more votes against this government around for 2006 and 2008, etc.
Only one thing in your post: I'm neither whining, nor liberal.
Don't let them turn liberal into a dirty word. I'm liberal and proud, and from everything you say, sounds as if you are too (belief in the importance of civil liberties, and so on). For God's sake, liberal is barely left of center historically--liberalism has a long tradition in European and American thought, and I hate to see that ever since Dukakis didn't stand up when the republicans called him liberal, it's become some kind of insult implying far-left demagoguery.
Anyway, I bet you'll love Canada, but come back in time to vote in the next one!!
"We sportsed our best and scored points, but the other team was sportsing pretty hard too..."
Mark777300 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1362 times:
If I had the money, and I could just pick up and go, I would do it right now! Canada sounds real nice right now! But then I came to realize that what Bush does here can affect the entire world. NO, Nobody is safe from his grip. It's so sad to say this considering that the US is such a great place to live, but when the rest of the world hates you or wants you dead mostly at the reason that they see us all as supporting the elected president, it almost becomes a liability. So good night to all those Bush Supporters, make sure to cover yourself up with Bush's security blanket. NO, NO, the terrorist won't get you, Bush will protect you, just like he did on 9/11.
Airbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1326 times:
One of my friend's friends just moved to London because of the wonderful way the Bush goversnt he country. The fact that they are leaving the country is perfectly expected because anyone who is a Democrat is quite upset at this time.
Q330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1316 times:
Could it possibly be because of what the country might become under another Bush presidency? With control of the House and Senate, Bush and the republicans will be able to push their radical right-wing agenda more effectively? Goodbye to moderation...
Could it possibly be due to Bush's reckless foreign policy stirring up incredible amounts of anti-American sentiment in the world? You may say that you don't care what other people think about the U.S., but it does matter when that person is angry enough to want to blow you up. That anyone voted for Bush because they felt he'd protect them from terrorism is absolutely ridiculous. He is the problem, not the solution. (Incidentally, can anyone explain the reasoning behind thinking that Bush will protect us from terrorism, when 9/11 happened on his watch?)
To directly answer your question, many people do not feel like America is their country any more since Bush's agenda goes against almost everything they believe in and they feel like he is ripping the country apart with his radical agenda.
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1277 times:
Oh good grief. The only thing more pathetic than the extremist right wingers advocating setting civil liberties back a few decades are the reactionaries who claim to want to skip town because of it.
Seriously folks, if you truly care so much about your country then it is your duty to stay put and raise hell about all you consider dear. Running away is the act of a coward. Speak up loudly and maybe people will listen to your message the next time elections roll around.
Democracy is about majority rule. That means that sometimes you are in the minority and on the losing side. A strong opposition is the key to democracy. If the opposition spends it time running away to Vancouver, nothing's gonna change.
: And for those of you who think that you need to move to Canada a website has been set up Apparently Canadians are willing to marry you to get you out
: If all the Dumbacrats pack up and flee to Europe and Canada who is going to vote for whatever the Donkey party runs in 2008?