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Did Anything Actually Positive Happen With Bush?  
User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

When I really think back and look at the last four years of hell, I really don't see a positve thing that Bush has done for this country? Why has the country just turned to vote on just family matters instead of thinking of the better of the country. What is it your buisness whether you can tell someone who they cannot marry or if they cannot have their child. You have no right, and the fact that others vote for Bush because he is so religious disgusts me because it appears to me that all of the righties have gone just a little selfish for what this country can take. Bushcheney2004, your thoughts?

just my $0.02.....

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User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Don't ask Bushcheney2004. In his mind, anything good that happened at all since 2000 is a direct result of Bush's election, including the fact that I found a quarter on the ground this morning.  Insane

User currently offlineYokohama1970 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 199 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

One thing: Bush/Cheney will not be on the 2008 presidential election ballot!

I voted for: Dukakis in 1988, Clinton/Gore in 1992 & 1996, Ralph Nader in 2000 & Kerry/Edwards in 2004, obviously I am not a George (H or W) Bush supporter.

Bush/Cheney being re-elected continues to fuel the fire of Bin Laden's wrath!
This is a very dark time in US & International Politics.

At least I will continue to change the TV channel or turn it off, when Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld (Hitler), Ashcroft or Rice appear. I can tolerate printed material (NY Times), but the site of these leaders is infuriating & humiliating! I only hope that the USA can survive until 2008? Best wishes.

Tom

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/11033/



Thank You Derek! Good Luck with the LA Dodgers
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

I guess if you don't count:
  • freeing two nations from totalitarian regimes
  • giving Europe the finger
  • reversing the Clinton/Gore recession
  • Federally financing stem cell research
  • preventing fatal/mass terrorism on USA shores since 9/11
  • etc....

    ...then I could see your "point".


  • User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

    In addition to Concordeboy's list:

    - He got re-elected and caused a few INSANELY hardcore liberal crybabies to consider moving to Canada. Please, you morons, get the hell out if you think this country is so horrible and doomed because of Bush..........and do the sane majority of America a favor.



    -NWA742


    User currently offlineQ330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 21
    Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

    reversing the Clinton/Gore recession

    Oh, but plunging the country into trillions of dollars of debt is OK.

    preventing fatal/mass terrorism on USA shores since 9/11

    Uh...but he didn't prevent fatal/mass terrorism on USA shores on 9/11, did he? And has it occurred to you that maybe the fact that there hasn't been a major attack since then has just been because no terrorists have decided to attack? Give me an example of a major attack that Bush has prevented.

    -Q



    Long live the A330!
    User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

    preventing fatal/mass terrorism on USA shores since 9/11



    Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
    Lisa: That's specious reasoning, Dad.
    Homer: Thank you, dear.
    Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
    Homer: Oh, how does it work?
    Lisa: It doesn't work.
    Homer: Uh-huh.
    Lisa: It's just a stupid rock.
    Homer: Uh-huh.
    Lisa: But I don't see any tigers around, do you?
    Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.


    [Edited 2004-11-06 09:42:31]

    User currently offlineQ330 From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 1460 posts, RR: 21
    Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

    lol, WellHung! You said it better than I could.

    -Q



    Long live the A330!
    User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

    Uh...but he didn't prevent fatal/mass terrorism on USA shores on 9/11, did he?

    Nope, even though Clinton dropped the ball on that MUCH more than Bush.


    User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
    Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

    In addition to Concordeboy's list:

    - He got re-elected and caused a few INSANELY hardcore liberal crybabies to consider moving to Canada. Please, you morons, get the hell out if you think this country is so horrible and doomed because of Bush..........and do the sane majority of America a favor.



    Well, those people are leaving the country because of a good reason,because this election, the American people didn't think about benefiting the country but if Bush was for or against abortion. How dumb is that? Well you would do the sane people or airliners.net a favor and stop constantly attacking liberals for their actions because then we will stop attacking you....


    Bush has ruined my future

    A I R B U S 3 8 0 # 1


    User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
    Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

    WellHung,
    Great!  Big thumbs up One of the first things I absolutely agree with you on!  Big grin Couldn't be more fitting than that! Thanks!

    giving Europe the finger

    And this is a good thing because...?

    Sebastian



    I guess that's what happens in the end, you start thinking about the beginning.
    User currently offlineN771AN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

    And this is a good thing because...?

    Europe likes to be fingered?  Confused


    User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

    Airbus3801's sig:

    The worst four years of my life has begun. Bush has ruined my future

    How does Bush ruin the future of a 13-15 year old? Just curious. When you're that age, many of the President's decisions don't affect your life at all. You don't have to pay taxes or anything.

    R41


    User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
    Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

    Europe likes to be fingered?

    Thank you for yet another intelligent remark.  Insane



    I guess that's what happens in the end, you start thinking about the beginning.
    User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
    Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

    "How does Bush ruin the future of a 13-15 year old? Just curious. When you're that age, many of the President's decisions don't affect your life at all. You don't have to pay taxes or anything."


    someone has to pay the debt. and it wont be the current taxpayer! just something to think about!



    10=2
    User currently offlineBushcheney2004 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

    To add to the list
    -Put into effect the no call list(We should all be able to agree that we don't like telemarketers calling our houses) Anyone disagree with this?
    -Stopped partial birth abortion


    User currently offlineKellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 693 posts, RR: 8
    Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

    It is always amazing to see how some people who think that they are open minded (liberal) and claim that others are narrow minded are really the ones with the problem. To be religious is to be closed minded, yet to be liberal is to be right. (We see no tolerance from liberals after the election. The electorate is either "stupid' or prejudiced against gays or the candidate was "poor". It is not the radical liberal idealogy which is at fault.).To be pro-life is closed minded, yet to be for abortion is to be right. (All those who favor abortion have already been born). To be against gay marriage is to be close minded, yet to be in favor of a radical judge to change society in their way is to be right. (The assumption is that people have no right to vote on a change that will fundamentally change the basis of relationships). And as far as religion, it is you who are prejudiced. You have the freedom of religion,to practice it or not, but attack those who believe in one. If Bush has core values which help serve his country, that is fine with me. It is those without those values like Kerry and Clinton who fail to act when necessary.

    And as far as Europe, it is a problem for many Americans that the same Europe (particularly France and Germany) that has many American soldiers buried in cemetaries there, has chosen to ignore the Islamo -Fascist threat which threatens us all or even aid them in certain ways (France). Yet this does not protect them. Note the recent killing of Van Gogh in Holland, and yet another plot in Spain. Being an ostrich does not protect you.

    One of the big reasons that George Bush was re elected was that most Americans recognize that he is far more capable in defending us against this threat than Kerry was with his heavily anti-war background and constant waffling on the issues. We also don't want to give up our right of self defense in a dangerous world to the likes of Kofi Annan or Jacques Chirac.

    And finally, for someone to say that they have been in "hell" for the last four years is an amazing statement. Even when Clinton was being serviced by Monica or accepting bribes for pardons, while he ignored the threats from Al Qaeda, I didn't think that I was in "hell".

    But under Bush you got a tax cut, as did ALL Americans. Unemployment is very low, lower than when Clinton was re-elected. And half that of "old" Europe, I might add. The latest jobs report is record breaking in the increase. Home ownership is up. Incomes are up. Economic growth is doing well. Afghanistan is free with democratic elections for the first time in its history. Iraq is free of Saddam and is on its way to democracy in spite of all of the nay sayers. Nobody said that war is easy, but elections will be held there in January. Most people in the US are generally doing very well, in spite of the 9/11 attacks and the previous recession.

    So don't give me any crap about what has Bush done for the last 4 years.


    User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

    someone has to pay the debt. and it wont be the current taxpayer! just something to think about!

    Even if Kerry was elected someone would still have to pay the debt. Just something to think about!

    R41


    User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
    Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

    At the video store, right next to "When Sharks Attack" is a new film called "When the Left Loses". JAYSUS H CHRIST are you people a bunch of whiners. Last I checked, the sun rises and sets as it has since the dawn of time, the moon hasn't exploded, more people than ever own homes, everyone in the country keeps more of what they earn, terrorists are flocking to Iraq instead of New York and we are fighting them there instead of on the streets of New York AND if the doom and gloom you predict actually comes to pass, it can all be changed in 2 years...remember, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ELECTION! And I do realize that is a scary proposition for you...Dems sound more and more like Cub fans with each election; "We'll get em next year".....but, you will have another chance.

    I have heard the word "shrill" to describe the left...I never realized how accurate it is. Being out of power sucks...but you should be used to it by now. Bill Clinton's 1994 crushing election defeat across federal and state elections has sealed your fate for the foreseeable future.



    Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
    User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
    Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

    To be pro-life is closed minded, yet to be for abortion is to be right.

    Most people who are "for abortion" actually disagree with abortion. However, they feel that it is right to allow the woman to CHOOSE. I personally don't think abortion is right, but who am I to strip the choice from someone? Especially if I'll never have to make that choice.

    You have the freedom of religion,to practice it or not, but attack those who believe in one.

    They get "attacked" because they try to force their beliefs on others. For example, gay marriage. "You will not do it because the Bible says it's wrong." If that's not forcing your beliefs on someone else, then I don't know what is. You can believe whatever you want to, I really don't care what you believe in. Just don't expect me to believe the same thing, and you know what? What I believe or you believe has NO EFFECT ON ANYONE ELSE.

    To be against gay marriage is to be close minded, yet to be in favor of a radical judge to change society in their way is to be right.

    I must have missed something here, what are you talking about?

    One of the big reasons that George Bush was re elected was that most Americans recognize that he is far more capable in defending us against this threat

    More capable how? By creating the Department of Homeland Security? The TSA? Creating TFRs over football games? Preventing GA from going anywhere near Washington DC? The simple fact is that cars present a far, far bigger threat than does GA, yet that simple fact is utterly and completely ignored. Someone could load about 300 pounds of explosives in a C-152. Then they could go drop it, or crash into, anything they wanted to, and the TFRs wouldn't even slow them down. On the other hand, that same person could load a couple thousand pounds of explosives in a small car, proceed to drive absolutly anywhere they wanted to, and blow up a far bigger place than the 152 managed to.

    Hey, I don't see any tigers around, my rock must be working.



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    User currently offlineN229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1950 posts, RR: 31
    Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

    How does Bush ruin the future of a 13-15 year old? Just curious. When you're that age, many of the President's decisions don't affect your life at all. You don't have to pay taxes or anything.

    Well beyond the fact, which has already been pointed out, that he will end up paying off the deficit:

    He could be drafted into Iraq or Bush's NEXT "pre-emptive" act of illegal agression

    He will be the biggest victim of the Bush administration's environmental crimes. His generation will be left with the cancer, mutations, etc. from Bush's toxic waste and pollution policies, and the flooding, etc. and global economic fallout from Bush's energy-industry-controlled EPA and its (lack of) global warming legacy.

    He and his family will be left living under whatever (at least short-term irreversible) decisions are made by an increasingly right-wing supreme court

    He will be regarded with suspicion and resentment in most places he travels for many years to come.



    It's people like you what cause unrest!
    User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21461 posts, RR: 53
    Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

    Kellmark: And as far as Europe, it is a problem for many Americans that the same Europe (particularly France and Germany) that has many American soldiers buried in cemetaries there, has chosen to ignore the Islamo -Fascist threat which threatens us all or even aid them in certain ways (France). Yet this does not protect them. Note the recent killing of Van Gogh in Holland, and yet another plot in Spain. Being an ostrich does not protect you.

    If you should in fact be who you claim to be (a professor of aviation), you´re decidedly punching below your supposed weight, even if your field is "just" a technical one.

    You´re trying to purposely obfuscate the truth:

    Afghanistan was indeed harbouring terrorists and the operation base of Al Qaeda. After 9-11, the whole world was united in the effort to defeat them and to free Afghanistan. And - as much as you are apparently attempting to obscure this fact - all the allies are still engaged in this fight, the real fight against terrorism.

    Iraq, on the other hand, had no valid connection whatsoever to 9-11 or to Al Qaeda (even refused to establish a cooperation with them); They didn´t pose a credible threat to the USA or to anybody else. Even so, the Bush administration chose to shove all international efforts aside and invade - a clear war of aggression that is explicitly outlawed by the german constitution.

    It is very sad that you are trying to mash those two fundamentally different campaigns together so that the legitimacy of the former would somehow "rub off" on the latter. This has worked splendidly within the domestic american bubble of a docile press and an equally silenced opposition, both too scared to object to blatantly obvious untruths and misrepresentations.

    I can understand that you may still hope that the confusion might endure; But I doubt you´ll be that lucky.

    Europe has and still is engaged in the actual fight against terrorism, while your administration sadly has made a gigantic mess that is only deepening the crisis and creating ever more terrorists.

    You may not share my conclusions, but pretending that Europe´s refusal to take part in the botched Iraq invasion did in any way diminish or nullify our engagement in the real fight against terrorism is just intellectually dishonest and unworthy of somebody who claims to teach others on an advanced level.

    Doing anything is not something to be proud of - doing the right thing is! And despite all the threats, the bullying and the abuse standing our ground is something I am proud of for myself and for our governments.


    User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
    Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

    I must have missed something here, what are you talking about?

    The problem with taking liberal positions summed up very concisely. Thank you Ralgha.



    "To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
    User currently offlineHeyMach From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 118 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

    freeing two nations from totalitarian regimes

    Perhaps Kabul and the Green Zone in Baghdad can be remotely described as "free". The remainder of Afghanistan and Iraq are a terrorists' playground. The former hastily evacuated and left largely to fend for itself so that Saint Dubya could proudly invade on his charger Ofelia (Dubya's spelling (!) not mine) that supposed hot bed of terrorism Iraq. Come on Concordeboy - get in line and smell the coffee!


    User currently offlineKellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 693 posts, RR: 8
    Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

    Ralgha.
    GA is a security threat whether you think so or not. Even a GA aircraft can carry a significant payload and is much more mobile and deadly than a car bomb. The TFRs are the price we pay. Blame Osama, not Bush. And what do you suggest about Homeland Security? To have nothing? Not exactly an argument.

    Regarding abortion, you support a woman's right to choose. I think that it should only be done if the mother's life is in danger. But the unborn have no choice. Life is the most precious of all things. It should be protected. What if YOUR mother had decided to have an abortion?

    Re gay marriage and the court decison, that was the Massachuissetts court that allowed gay marriage. They simply mandated it out of whole cloth.

    Klaus.

    If you want to argue points then argue them. It is pitiful when you make a personal attack. If you are a flight instructor or software developer or whatever, I do not demean your knowledge or abilities. Your arguments should speak for you.

    Iraq did have clear connections to terrorism. Anwar al Islam, Zarqawi. Hamas. And the lovely fellow Abbas who threw wheelchair bound Leon Klinghoffer off the cruise ship who was living in Iraq. All were either in Iraq or had connections to it. Not to mention the nature of the regime itself. You can defend the practices of Saddam if you want and refuse to do anything about it. I will not.

    Saddam and Iraq were a credible threat. Thay had an active nuclear program. They had the knowledge and the capability to build them. They also had 3 types of missiles they had developed which were illegal. These were all banned under UN sanctions. Yet none of the sanctions had stopped them.

    You may think that Europe is at the front line against terrorism. But the facts just do not show it. What aggressive moves have the Europeans made? I am waiting to hear about them. They couldn't even stop the slaughter in the Balkans without US help. Actually, the fact is they simply stood by and watched the slaughter right there in Europe and refused to take action, like the Dutch at Sebrenica. No back bone whatsoever. It might disturb their holidays or pensions.

    Europe just keeps on patronizing muslim radicals and the states that support them and refuses to deal with them, as more and more of them immigrate into Europe.

    I saw that the German magazine Bild endorsed George Bush last week. One of their reasons was that if the US fights terrorism then they won't have to. Very brave of them. That says it for me.


    25 StarAC17 : One of the big reasons that George Bush was re elected was that most Americans recognize that he is far more capable in defending us against this thre
    26 JBLUA320 : I'm so sick of politics. This is a democracy. You come here knowing that you wont always get your way. And you come here knowing that when you dont ge
    27 Lono : And this is a good thing because...? Europe likes to be fingered? Holy siht... lmao!!!!! Best thing with Bush winning is John Kerry has crawled back i
    28 Continental : Concordeboy wrote: "giving Europe the finger reversing the Clinton/Gore recession preventing fatal/mass terrorism on USA shores since 9/11 etc...." Th
    29 Aa757first : What is it your buisness (sic) whether you can tell someone who they cannot marry When eleven states, something has to tell you that Americans don't
    30 Post contains images Klaus : Kellmark: If you want to argue points then argue them. It is pitiful when you make a personal attack. If you are a flight instructor or software devel
    31 N771AN : Klaus, Please read the 9.11 Commission Report. There will be a few surprises in there for you.
    32 Kellmark : Klaus. You present far more opinions that actual facts. If the Europeans have a weak military you blame the US for it. You say you need independent ca
    33 N317AS : USAIRWAYS said: "In his mind, anything good that happened at all since 2000 is a direct result of Bush's election, including the fact that I found a q
    34 ConcordeBoy : Reversing the recession? You've got to be kidding me! It's a shame Clinton had the largest sustained economic expansion! ...now widely considered the
    35 AirxLiban : preventing fatal/mass terrorism on USA shores since 9/11 cite one plot of fatal or mass terrorism that was foiled due to the bush administration. i li
    36 Post contains images Klaus : Kellmark: You present far more opinions that actual facts. As long as we can agree on the factual part (no Saddam/9-11 link, no credible threat as con
    37 Kellmark : Klaus. We don't agree on the connection. The 9/11 report disagrees with you. You are simply wrong. Also, if an ally is an ally then they support you.
    38 Lehpron : >>"The muslims see the weakness and exploit it. Unless someone is willing to stand up to them and fight. "
    39 ConcordeBoy : Kellmark, it is advisable that you elaborate on this Lemme dumb it down to Lehpron-level: The international terrorists; who are almost always muslims
    40 Lehpron : That's cute C-bro, but I think you dumbed it up considering that you went from simple to complex. But until Kellmark acknowledges this, my impression
    41 Kellmark : Lehpron. This has nothing to do with racism, but everything to do with ideology. The 19 hijackers of 9/11 were all muslims. The bombers in Bali were a
    42 Post contains images Klaus : Kellmark: We don't agree on the connection. The 9/11 report disagrees with you. You are simply wrong. Sigh. Not that nonsense again. a) The "Prague co
    43 Kellmark : Klaus. This is not a "family" dispute. I have been to ground zero where 3,000 people were murdered. And I am determined that it will not happen again.
    44 Jasepl : The 19 hijackers of 9/11 were all muslims. The bombers in Bali were all muslims. The bombers in Spain were all muslims. The killer of Van Gogh was a m
    45 Post contains images Klaus : Kellmark: This is not a "family" dispute. I have been to ground zero where 3,000 people were murdered. And I am determined that it will not happen aga
    46 Kellmark : Klaus; We will agree to disagree. None of what you say diminishes the danger to all of western society and culture. To say that we are "panicking" sho
    47 Klaus : Kellmark: We will agree to disagree. None of what you say diminishes the danger to all of western society and culture. You´re grossly distorting the
    48 Boeing7E7 : Yes... We quit being Frances drinking buddies. That's been a long time in coming.
    49 SegmentKing : blah. Americans fear the unknown and will forever link a few muslim wackos to the 9/11, which could trickle down and cause fear among anyone who seems
    50 Corey07850 : I guess we still haven't figured out who can piss the farthest
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