777heavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2058 times:
Let me post an article from the current Spiegel Online International version:
"Jody Biehl isn't the only American living in Europe suffering from a Bush re-election hangover. Nor is she alone in her thought that the United States has become as scary as Osama bin Laden. In an editorial, she explains why she and others may be staying abroad for longer than they expected."
Mdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4097 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2048 times:
I didn't think that I would waste my 1,000th Post (SELF-GLOSS ), but these "I wan't to leave" posts are getting ridiculous. I, like many of those who voted for Kerry, are very disappointed at the results and am looking on in anxiety toward the nxt four years. BUT, I will never use that as a reason for leaving the country. It isn't and won't be THAT bad (Plus living in California is a good buffer ). Those that are clamoring to leave the US are just acting like pussies. It's a democracy and our person didn't win..what can you do? Suck it up...2008 will be here in no time.
1,000th post!
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
AzoresLover From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 744 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2016 times:
For every ONE person who doesn't want to live here, there are 3,472,587 others in the world that would give about ANYthing for the chance! (Made-up statistic, so don't try to find my source - lol)
Get over it!!
The country will survive, has for nearly 230 years, no matter who is President. Always in the past, win or lose, I still love my country, and would never want to live anywhere else.
No place is going to be EXACTLY as you want...you're not the ONLY person living there!!!
Those who want to do something will find a way; those who don't will find an excuse.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1901 times:
In related news:
Springfield, IL (AP) - 8 year old James Townson suprised his friends by declaring he was going to take his ball and go home as a result of a 18-6 loss in a sandlot football game. When Townson was reached by local reporters and asked about the incident, he applied, "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!". No word if the rest of the group was able to secure another ball to continue with another game.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1757 times:
Airplay, drop the inferiority complex. It's ugly. This article is nothing more than a story about a person we don't even know throwing a temper-tantrum.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1734 times:
Exactly Klaus, that's exactly how this women apparently deals with life's little disappoints.
Eric505 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 592 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1734 times:
I say stay in Germany. If you're willing to let one person taint your view of an entire nation then I'm not so sure we want you back. Complain all you want over there, we don't care. Someone else will most definitely fill your void in society.
Alcohol is the anesthesia by which we endure the operation of life
Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11433 posts, RR: 81 Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1717 times:
Jody Biel seems to have nothing positive to contribute to the situation, so stay in Germany. He/she fails to recognize the reason that Germany seems averse to nationalism, namely national socialism which is still within living memory and still causes fear. He/she claims to be scared of the US and our desire to protect ourselves....well, no sweat. Stay where-ever you are and don't call us, and we sure won't call you.
The thousands of expatriate Americans in Europe must seek to avoid the Stockholm Syndrome they get while sitting in the cafes trying to appease their european friends who want them to apologize for being from that country that is bigger, stronger and culturally dominant. Go ahead, make them like you and feel as if you are their equal. For every reasonable european who understands reality, there are 5 who resent us for being willing to do what they are not. THey resent us for kicking the hornets nest, which is a precursor to removing it from the garage. They want for everyone to be as pacifistic and reasonable as they are. They believe that the terrorists are like unruly children who should be reasoned with instead of removed.
JBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3160 posts, RR: 21 Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1690 times:
This is the great thing about democracy. We can, and do, express our views on the world and politics freely. What that said, another great thing about democracy is that nobody is keeping you here.
N771AN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1686 times:
As I have repeatedly offered... anyone... and i mean anyone who does not like living here can email me and I will gladly buy you a ticket with my frequent flier miles anywhere you want to go... but it must be one way.
RT514 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1684 times:
Jody, stay there. We don't really need you.
So what, DI021? "We" don't really need you either. What's your point?
...anyone who does not like living here can email me and I will gladly buy you a ticket with my frequent flier miles anywhere you want to go... but it must be one way.
Why? So that you can continue to delude yourself with your false reality that you are surrounded only by those who will love their home unconditionally?
The thought of people expressing their thoughts, having the open-mindedness to question their country, city, state,whatever... obviously bothers you simply because it is not congruent with your own beliefs. That approach is not exactly an accurate description of a free and democratic society now, is it?
In Canada and in Australia, we almost approach making fun of and questioning government as a national sport. In the US, doing so seems to make one "un-patriotic" in the eyes of so many. I just don't understand that. Hmmmm... I think that when the USSR existed, questioning the government was considered "unpatriotic" as well. Perhaps there's a fine line there???
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13329 posts, RR: 64 Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1655 times:
Ian,
Germany´s minister of the interior, Schily, (who though he has been defending Baader-Meinhof gang terrorists as a young trial lawyer back in the ´70s) is one of the toughest law and order politicians we ever had.
A few months ago he stated clearly in an interview in Spiegel magazine that anybody commiting acts of terror in Germany must accept that he WILL be killed, that the police will NOT get orders to save the life of a terrorist if necessary, they will consider the lives of the population first (e.g. police snipers or GSG 9).
PPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1612 times:
Another idiot. Has she even been back to the states in the last couple of years? She can stay for all we care, there are thousands if not millions that are scrambling for a chance to get a green card to enter the United States, apparently we don't seem that bad to most of the world.
The funniest thing I ever heard was from a cousin of mine, he and his wife were visiting my family here in Florida, the entire time he said how prudish we were. With restrictive laws, like getting a fishing license. The best part was later that week he was asking my parents if they would sponsor him for a green card to come live in the states.
CXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1500 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1602 times:
Now that I'm the only person in my family still a Green Card holder, and have been for 4 years, everyone is pestering me to apply for US citizenship...very annoying, considering that we're leaving in a year or two for Canada or the UK....
Anyway, it is not all the Americans who are stupid- the Northeast is like a mini-Europe, with people like me abound! But most of the rest, I'm afraid, has gone round the bend!
From the South African-Canadian, Jonathan
The sky is the limit as long as you can stay there
JoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 29 Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1600 times:
>The thought of people expressing their thoughts, having the open-mindedness to question their country, city, state,whatever... obviously bothers you simply because it is not congruent with your own beliefs.<
I think what really bothers them, more than other people expressing their thoughts, is all those people saying they want to leave/stay away from the U.S. because the winner of the elections is not who they wanted (apparently, democracy is only good when the winner is the one they voted for).
These "I'm leaving/not going back to the US" folks remind of those who start topics to inform us that they are leaving a.net. They sound as childish and stupid as if some right-wing wacko said years ago that they were leaving the U.S. because Clinton won, or if they were leaving because Kerry had won.
USAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1575 times:
The point of this post was not to talk about whether this woman should or should not come back to the US. The point as 777heavy said, was to think about the message. We as Americans are so self absorbed and ignorant about the rest of the world that we forget that there are 6 billion of them and only 300 million of us. When a vast majority of that 6 billion have a huge problem with the leader of our country, we can't just discount and say who the fuck cares. We as Americans need to start caring more about the rest of the world, especially with how everything is becoming so globalized now a days. Eventually, if we keep giving the world the middle finger, they might not be there for us when we need them.
FDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 38 Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1568 times:
>>>Eventually, if we keep giving the world the middle finger, they might not be there for us when we need them.<<<
Your probably right. On the other hand the world can take it's middle finger, stick it in our rectum, and the US will most assuredly be there when they need us.
That's the difference.
You're only as good as your last departure.
25 USAirways737: Your probably right. On the other hand the world can take it's middle finger, stick it in our rectum, and the US will most assuredly be there when the
26 N771AN: We as Americans are so self absorbed and ignorant about the rest of the world that we forget that there are 6 billion of them and only 300 million of
27 FDXmech: >>>When has the world screwed the US over? The difference is if they did, that would be one time, the US screws the world over constantly slowly pissi
28 USAirways737: Speak for yourself. By denying that those problems exist in America, all you did was show how you are a perfect example of a self-absorbed ignorant Am
29 N771AN: I am not self absorbed. I am not ingorant about the rest of the world. I know very well that I am only one of 6+ billion. As I said... speak for yours
30 FDXmech: >>>its okay to admit we Americans aren't perfect without being unpatriotic.
31 L-188: Well, there have been worse excuses to stay in Germany and drink good beer.
32 USAirways737: FDXmech, N771AN Sorry guys, you are both right, Americans in general are very knowledgeable about the rest of the world, deeply care about what the re
33 FDXmech: >>>Sorry guys, you are both right, Americans in general are very knowledgeable about the rest of the world,
34 Klaus: FDXmech: But. As I do live here, I'm quite able to discern fact from fiction much of the time. Iraq? FDXmech: And conversely most non-American's (that
35 N771AN: Let's see... I'm American. My parents are Portuguese. My neighbor Polish, the other ones are Pakistani. The guy who ones the deli down the street is I
36 Klaus: There is no absolute rule either way; But on average, there seems to be a significant difference in parochial vs. cosmopolitan perspectives. The recen
37 Greaser: Leave, if don't like it leave. No point comming in and whining when you can stay outside the USA and irritate the people there... So many want to come
38 FDXmech: >>>No. That´s the whole point: For most non-american people it´s a regular fact of life to deal with other nationalities, their perspectives and sen
39 Klaus: FDXmech: I understand your point. But these traits you mention are of human beings towards human beings. In Europe, with so many countries close toget
40 CXA330300: >No. That´s the whole point: For most non-american people it´s a regular fact of life to deal with other nationalities, their perspectives and sensi
41 Cfalk: It's also the fact that half of Americans seem to be shameless xenophobes! Perhaps so. But it is not the americans who go out of their way to kill mai
42 Dl021: jan I feel that while your minister of the interior is serious in what he says, and is backed up in his warning by a frighteningly efficient GSG9, fed
43 RT514: I do engage in reasonable discussion and seek other opinions... whereas it appears you don't to judge by your response. That would be incorrect. The r
44 Leskova: The biggest difference in the Euro/US outlooks is the concept of pre-emption. We believe it to be the only way, and the Euros seem to be hesitant to p
45 L-188: Pre-emption isn't an old difference either. Shoot just look at Pattons and Montgomery's WWII tactics and you can see where there might be a different
46 Jamesag96: Girl is a dumbass...she lost me with this: "...it(Germany) provides for the world's developing countries, rather than going to war with them." Followe
47 Lowrider: I just have one thought to add to the discussion. Many people in the world may not like GWB. Thats ok. A leadership position is not about being the mo
48 Klaus: Jamesag96: Girl is a dumbass...she lost me with this: "...it(Germany) provides for the world's developing countries, rather than going to war with the
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), but these "I wan't to leave" posts are getting ridiculous. I, like many of those who voted for Kerry, are very disappointed at the results and am looking on in anxiety toward the nxt four years. BUT, I will never use that as a reason for leaving the country. It isn't and won't be THAT bad (Plus living in California is a good buffer 
). Those that are clamoring to leave the US are just acting like pussies. It's a democracy and our person didn't win..what can you do? Suck it up...2008 will be here in no time.
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