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Any One Here Heard Quadraphonic Sound?  
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6469 times:



















Quadraphonic sound systems were offered with these Ford/Mercury/Lincoln vehicles between 1976-1982.





Has anyone here ever had the pleasure of listening to quadraphonic sound?
This was a sonic breakthrough in the 1970s. Four discrete channels of sound, an expansion on stereophonic sound which came out in 1958.
This was early surround sound and is the same technology used in today’s movie theaters and home theater systems.
Unfortunately this was a marketplace failure mainly do to competing patent issues with the three major brands that had there own system of detecting four channel sound.

There were three different types of quad decoding systems for LPs. The first introduced in 1971 was Command/QS, the second was SQ introduced in 1972 and the most sophisticated system was CD-4 introduced in 1973. SQ was developed by Sony and thus CBS/Columbia records used the SQ decoding system. CD-4 was developed by JVC and was used by Warner Brothers/Atlantic records and ABC records used the Command/QS system. A&M records were the only label to use all three at different times.

To add to the confusion you needed a system that decoded all three systems if you wanted to hear all of your favorite artist in quadraphonic sound. There was never a component made with all three build in. Quadraphonic receivers/preamps would have two build in and one would have to be purchased separately as an external add on.

Command/QS and SQ used a conventional elliptical stylus and cartridge but CD-4 required a phono cartridge and shibata tip stylus that could go above 35,000Hz in order to pick up the high pitched carrier frequency which activated the quadraphonic decoding system. The shibata stylus is ‘V’ shaped, smaller and sits deeper in to the groove.

Despite all of the technical hairsplitting LP decoding system, none really were that discrete.
The best way to enjoy quadraphonic sound was on 8track and reel to reel tape.
There were no decoders to bother with. All four channels were separated on the tape and the playback head was already set up to read four separate tracks.
The quadraphonic 8track tapes were pretty common in there day but the 8track tape has its limitations such as poor high frequency response. The best of both worlds is the quadraphonic reel to reel. That format delivers high-end audiophile sound quality and had four discrete bleedless channels of sound.
(I am sure Matt D would agree)  Big grin

The problem with quad reel to reel is that it’s extremely rare. Only 134 titles exist on quad reel. That’s encompassing rock, soul, country, jazz, classical and test tapes. Quadraphonic reel decks were (and still are) very expensive. They started at around $1,000.00 in 1973
Of the 134 quad reels made, they sold for almost $20.00 when new. People complain about spending $20.00 today on a compact disc, image spending $20.00 on a single album in 1973.

Its heyday started in 1971 and went to about 1975 before demand started to wane. However the Ford Motor Company was the only auto manufacture in the world to offer
Quadraphonic 8track players in there vehicles. (I have one in my Lincoln)
People who had GM, Chrysler, AMC or imports had to buy aftermarket decks.
The Ford decks were not available until the 1976 model year (fall 1975). Some record companies had announced they would discontinue quad releases and Ford threatened class action lawsuit because Ford had spend lots of money on these new decks. They cost $358 extra back then.  Wow!

Ford helped extend the life of quadraphonic sound and some record labels continued to press limited runs of classical and jazz titles throughout the late 1970s. The last official quadraphonic release was a sound effects album by Isao Tomita in 1980. Ford offered quadraphonic 8track decks up until 1982. In fact the 1980-1982 models have a digital tuner and external ‘premium sound’ system.

I’ve got a monstrous quadraphonic system at home with all the proper decoding systems, tape decks and cartridges. I am glad I got that stuff cheap in the early-mid 1990s before eBay started. That stuff is as expensive when new.

Some of my favorite quadraphonic tittles:
Sound effects with Boeing 707 and 727 takeoff and landings.
Pink Floyd – Dark Side Of The Moon
The Moody Blues – Days Of Future Passed
The Moody Blues – Every Good Boy Deserves A Favor
The Moody Blues – Seventh Sojourn
Edger Winter Group – They Only Come Out At Night
The Doobie Brothers – The Captain & Me
The Doobie Brothers – Toulouse Street
Earth Wind & Fire – That’s The Way Of The World
Earth Wind & Fire – Open Our Eyes
Ohio Players – Honey
Quincy Jones – You’ve Got It Bad Girl
Burt Bacharach – Reach Out
The Carpenters – A Song For You
The Carpenters – Close To You
Steely Dan – Countdown To Ecstasy
Deep Purple – Machine Head
Black Sabbath – Paranoid
Chick Corea & Return To Forever – Musicmagic
Sergio Mendes – (self title)
Jeff Beck – Blow By Blow
Maynard Ferguson - Conquistador
Enoch Light – Sounds of Burt Bacharach


I think its crime that there were no quadraphonic releases by RUSH, Led Zeppelin, Electric Light Orchestra, STYX or Gino Vannelli.  Pissed


Here is my large quadraphonic system.




Other Airliners.net members to be treated to my quadraphonic demonstrations
so far are AN-225, Sccutler, Lortab 7.5mg, ILUV767 and RealHigh.



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User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6449 times:

Only time I ever heard it was when the Grateful Dead, et al, did a simulcast
on TV and a couple FM stations in San Francisco in the early 70's. Can't remember a lot about it  Wink/being sarcastic



Jim



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

Clrd2go:
You lucky $^%*%(@^!  Acting devilish

I was born in 1973.
I'd do anything to got in to a time capsule and live in San Francisco back then!  Smokin cool



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6443 times:

Look who you're asking.....

Although I haven't exactly embraced the format myself, a big reason why being, as you stated, the limited number of titles. Plus, I have a prefernce for customizing my music which is why I prefer starting with blank 10" reels (or C-90 or C-100 cassettes) so I can mix-n-match the songs. There are very few titles out there where I like every single track on the album.

Have you ever considered going to half track stereo for your reel to reel?

I recommend the Teac X-2000M, a Tascam 32, or if you have about $3500, a brand new Otari MX-5050MkIII

Your quad tapes would work just fine.


User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

re: superfly

Oh, it was a grand time, alright  Wink/being sarcastic from what I can remember, that is.
The Fillmore auditorium, Winterland..great music, and fun times.



Jim



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

Matt D:
There are very few titles out there where I like every single track on the album.

You mean you don't like every song on any of the Captain & Tenille albums?  Laugh out loud
Well I don't have an extra $3,500.00 to spare right now but I'll eventually get around to getting another deck.




Clrd2go:
I am courious as to what kind of car you drove back then. Do you have any photos from that era?
I know a guy who owns a small record store here in San Francisco named Ray. He did the sound system at the Fillmore and Winterland back then. He is an interesting character. He drinks vodka from while on the job during store hours. It' s best to buy records from him right before the shop closes. He's pretty drunk by then and he cuts really good deals. Big grin



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User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

I drove a 1957 VW Bug, which I bought in 1970, I believe..drove it for 2-3 years then went to a 63 Bug..what's the name of the record store?

I grew up south of SF in Belmont and San Carlos..used to go to the Fillmore, etc
telling my parents I was going to a movie  Wink/being sarcastic

I spent a lot of time at the Fillmore..not as much at Winterland..saw/heard some great music that I still love today (as opposed to recent music)


I haven't been to SF in about 6-7 years, having moved from the Bay Area in
1976 now living on the East Coast.

I recall the fun of setting up for that TV thing..2 receivers, 2 sets of speakers, TV..thankfully my parents were away for the weekend.


Jim



What a long strange trip it's been
User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5615 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

...theme from Shaft, quad, 8-track, friend's house. Everybody ooh-ing and ahh-ing, envy thick in the air. Funny thing is, my friend'd dad still lives in the old neighborhood, as do my folks, and the old man is now in my Rotary club. Ithink he may still have the quad rig.

Only thing I thought was pretty lame were the Quad headphones, which clamped on to your head like all headphones did in those days, with "front" and "rear" speakers in each cup. How was one ear supposed to discern any difference when its relationship to both of the drivers on its side was fixed?

Oh, Analog, I once knew thee!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6421 times:

Sccutler:
I have a pair of Panasonic quadraphonic headphones. I think the only good thing about those is the ability to listen to quad titles late at night so you're not disturbing anyone else. It's not for any sonic superiority over stereo headphones.
Remember quad 8tracks and reel tapes aren't universal and can't be played back on a conventional player.




Clrd2go:
The rocord store is called Grooves. It opened around the time you were last here 6-7 years ago.
Winterland is long gone but the Fillmore is still here.



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User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6419 times:

Now HERE was a sound system..The Grateful Dead's "Wall of Sound" circa 1974 or
so:

http://www.audioheritage.org/images/jbl/photos/pro-speakers/grateful.jpg


Jim



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User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Yep..my brother was at the last shows done at Winterland..NY Eve 1978..available now on DVD (Grateful Dead).

Can't remember the last shows I saw at the Fillmore..or the Fillmore West for
that matter.. I have a book listing them all somewhere..will have to dig it out


Jim



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6415 times:

Did they play Shakedown Street? Big grin
That's my favorite Greatful Dead album. I know it's there most unusual album. 'France' is a great song.

New Years Eve 1978. I can just image all the coolest cars of that time in the parking lot.  Big thumbs up




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User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6413 times:

I don't think Shakedown St was played at that show..good song, though  Wink/being sarcastic


Jim



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

Clrd2go:
When was the last time you saw the Greatful Dead?



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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6368 times:

Superfly:

You bring back fond Ford memories for me. My Dad did business with Ford in Dearborn, and hence we had Ford cars. The apex was a 1976 Ford Thunderbird ("Creme and Gold luxury group"). The massive bird had a "Quadrasonic" 8-track and we had that Ford demo you pictured above. I even remember the intro, a cheesy voice-over of Strauss' "Alzo Sprach Zarathustra."



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6364 times:







Talk about heaven on wheels!  Smokin cool

I am sure you got a kick showing off that intro.
Did you guys have any other quadraphonic 8track tapes?



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User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6360 times:

I believe the last time I saw the Grateful Dead was in 1992 in Albany NY. 2 great
shows at the Knick. Shortly after that went through some rough financial stuff
and my fun was done for a while.

Fortunately, I had a lot of tapes to listen to, though  Wink/being sarcastic

Jim



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6357 times:

"Rock yours in quad"

Mid-1970's slogan of WPLR-FM, New Haven, Connecticut



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

Thanks for the awesome photos of the old 'Bird, Superfly. I don't recall any other "quad" 8 tracks we had, but I suspect we did have the soundtrack from "Saturday Night Fever."

The 'Bird was something else . . . it had been a Ford division executive car, and hence had the rare glass moonroof without full vinyl top ("landau"). The color combination was just so over the top. And the huge pig of an engine . . . 460 cubic inch V-8, yet only about 180 bhp! My current BMW 5 is the first car I have driven since the 'Bird that also has rear wheel drive and a glass moonroof, but its 2.8 litre engine puts out 200 bhp!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6321 times:

Stretch 8:
The 1976 Thunderbird had 220 horsepower and lots of class!  Smokin cool

You got rid of that T-bird for a little BMW?  Wow!


Shame on you!  Pissed

I am sure you get an extra 25 miles per gallon with the BMW though.

Saturday Night Fever should be in everyone's 8track collection. Too bad that album was not available in quad.
However, Walter Murphy’s 'A 5th Of Beethoven' was available as a separate album in quad and the song from Saturday Night Fever 'A 5th Of Beethoven' appeared on the Ford complementary quad 8track tape for the 1981 and 1982 model years.



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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6305 times:

Superfly:

We got rid of the 'Bird in 1983, after my father passed. It was fun while we had it. The BMW was a decision I made after driving one on the autobahn in Germany in 1999. I also drove it on the famed Nurburgring. BMWs are all about speed, handling, and safety. If I had taken the 'Bird on the ring, the tires would have peeled off the rims at the first apex!

I might pick up the new Mustang, however . . .



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6268 times:

Stretch 8:
If I had taken the 'Bird on the ring, the tires would have peeled off the rims at the first apex!

Not if you get the 255/75/15 tires. That's what I put on my Lincoln. THey are great becasue you can get them in Whitewall and they look stock.
I can take hairpin turns in that boat and it still hugs the road.



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User currently offlineYbacpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6265 times:

I never thought I'd see the Ford sample 8-track ever again! One came with my parents circa 1977 Mercury Crown Vic (8 MPG highway, but it came with a free 8-track so its all good). Actually it looked a hell of a lot like the Lincoln in the picture above (probably because it was basically the same car), right down to the $#!+ brown paint, no landau for us, thank god.

I can only remember one song on the (what the hell do you call it? tape? cartridge? brick?)... The first song on the 4th track was Captain & Tennile's Love Will Keep Us Together, my parents song.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

Ybacpa:
What's wrong with the Landau?
That was the best trim level.

You guys had the LTD. The Crown Victoria name plate wasn't used until 1980. The Crown Victoria trim replaced the Landau in 1980 model year and Ford dropped the LTD nameplate and called them all Crown Victoria's from 1992 onward.

Sounds like your family had the stereo 8track player in your car.








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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6255 times:

One came with my parents circa 1977 Mercury Crown Vic

No such animal. You either had a Ford LTD or a Mercury Marquis, maybe a Marquis Brougham.

You guys had the LTD. The Crown Victoria name plate wasn't used until 1980. The Crown Victoria trim replaced the Landau in 1980 model year and Ford dropped the LTD nameplate and called them all Crown Victoria's from 1992 onward.

Actually from 1983-91, all the full-size Ford sedans and plain wagons were called LTD Crown Victorias and the woodgrained wagons were badged LTD Country Squires. The reason for the name change in 83 was to differentiate the full-size Crown Vic from the then-new mid-size LTD models. A similar move was done with the Marquis/Grand Marquis the same year.

FYI, in '77, Ford stripped off some of the exterior chrome (located on the hood and front fenders) of the LTD Landaus that year. This coincided with the dropping of the LTD Brougham model. Interiorwise, the 75-76 Brougham trim became the 'base' Landau trim for the 77s & 78s. The 75-76 Landau interior trim was offered in 77-78 Landaus as an Interior Luxury Decor Group Option.



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25 Superfly : PHLBOS: Thanks for the correction. I was thinking that the 1980s LTD base models were the 'S' model.
26 PHLBOS : Superfly, For 80-82, there was indeed an official LTD S model. Believe it or not, the Custom 500 nameplate actually survived the '79 downsizing but wa
27 Superfly : I wonder how many left over parts bin parts are in my car. The 1977 Town Car has a lot of parts that aren't shared witht the Marquis and LTD.
28 PHLBOS : I wonder how many left over parts bin parts are in my car. The 1977 Town Car has a lot of parts that aren't shared witht the Marquis and LTD. I believ
29 Ybacpa : Superfly / PHLBOS, Details details details... It was a Mercury Marquis... they say something is the first thing to go, but I can't remember what it wa
30 Stretch 8 : Hey fellas: As long as we are talking Ford history and trivia, am I the only one who wishes the new Ford sedan was called the "Galaxy 500" rather than
31 Superfly : Stretch 8: That was th efirst thing that came to mind when I first heard of a Ford 500 coming out. Ybacpa: That's an unusual lemon. Those large Ford/M
32 Post contains images PHLBOS : I'd rather see the Galaxie 500 moniker on the Crown Vic LX Sport, with some notable enhancements and upgrades of course. Maybe the reason why Ford did
33 Superfly : PHLBOS: About that Impala. General Motors is famous for making dumb decisions so the Impala demise is consistent with other stupid decisions they've
34 Dl021 : FLy...you'll loe this...I just listened to an 8-track with Phil Spector producing for Ike and Tina Turner River Deep, Mountain High....on a 30 year ol
35 Ybacpa : Superfly, My family's luck with American cars hasn't been very good. Our other circa '77 car, a midsize Mercury (I think it was a Mercur) was almost a
36 PHLBOS : But back to the Marquis, my favorite glitch, which caused my parents much anxiety, was the car's headlights would go off when the driver pressed the b
37 Superfly : PHLBOS: - pessimistic fuel gauges, again most Ford MoCo products of the time did this. The needle on my 69 would not go past the 3/4 mark when full.
38 Dl021 : Dude.. I'm not really a huge Tina fan either, but this album was the bomb. Hey, if you ever want a new American classis, check out a Mercury Marauder.
39 Superfly : The Mercury Marauder is amazing. Too bad it's no longer in production.
40 Whitehatter : Superfly You are the expert on quad here so here's a question As a kid I remember seeing a Quad demonstration in a major department store. They even b
41 Post contains images Superfly : Whitehatter: No such animal of a twin stylii set up. There were some turntables that had two separate tone arms. I had a Luxman 444 that had that set
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