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Jefferson On The Dangers Of Government  
User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8530 posts, RR: 11
Posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2502 times:

Thomas Jefferson warned about the dangers of a bloated and arrogant government when he wrote:

If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, and give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and expenses;

And, the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they do now, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account; but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains around the necks of our fellow sufferers;

And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for a second, that second for a third, and so on 'til the bulk of the society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery, to have no sensibilities left but for sinning and suffering.

Indeed. And it has gotten worse as time goes on. Witness this:

Woman Arrested for Eating Candy in a Subway Station

AP. Washington. A government scientist finishing a candy bar on her way into a subway station where eating is prohibited was arrested, handcuffed and detained for three hours by transit police.

Stephanie Willett said she was eating a PayDay bar on an escalator descending into a station on 16 July when an officer warned her to finish it before entering the station. Both Willett and police agree that she nodded and put the last bit into her mouth before throwing the wrapper into a trash can.

Willett, a 45-year-old Environmental Protection Agency scientist, told radio station WTOP that the officer then followed her into the station, one of several in downtown Washington.

"Don't you have some other crimes you have to take care of?" Willett said she told the officer.

Washington has been under heightened security because of the continuing threat of terrorism. And last week, police declared a city-wide crime emergency over rising juvenile crime.

The transit police officer asked for Willett's identification, but Willett kept walking. She said she was then frisked and handcuffed.

"If she had stopped eating, it would have been the end of it, and if she had just stopped for the issuance of a citation, she never would have been locked up," Transit Police Chief Polly Hanson said yesterday.

Metrorail has been criticized in the past for heavy-handed enforcement of the eating ban. In 2000, a police officer handcuffed a 12-year-old girl for eating a French fry on a subway platform.

In 2002, one of their officers ticketed a wheelchair-bound cerebral palsy patient for cursing when he was unable to find a working elevator to leave a station. Unflattering publicity eventually led the police to void the ticket.

Willet is not the only person arrested this year for eating or drinking in the subway. Source. The Star Ledger. 30 July '04. p. 4.

[Edited 2004-11-12 07:57:04]

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User currently offlineMia From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 910 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

So what? You cannot take what he says out of context. You have to read all his works. Also you cannot just apply his works literally to today. The world has changed a LOT since he wrote that.

"Like all great travelers, I have seen more than I remember, and remember more than I have seen."
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8508 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

wow talk about paranoid... is this Dubya's free world? Dosn't sound free to me.

how can 59,000,00 people be so stupid?

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30410 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Jefferson was correct.

And that is one of the resons when Jimmy Madison rigged the constitutional convenetion, he timed it for when Jeffereson was out of the country so that his input wouldn't be available to the delegates.

User currently offlineAGC525 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

"how can 59,000,00 people be so stupid?"

I'm stupid? Your an asshole. How's that?

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User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

But we have the cleanest subways in the country!

Lets face the fact that people are dirty as hell and as soon as you let people eat on the subway it will go back to being a rat infested dump, the no food rule is in everyones best interest including our health interests.

As far as the oppression of our rights by the DC police I fully would have agreed with you two days ago but yesterday they removed all the security check points on Capital Hill so once again we can go across the city without being harrassed and the police can go back to doing their real job of serving the citizens of this country not the beurocratic waste working 10-4 (if that) on Capital Hill.

What I would like to see is what the real tax rate was on the average American when the English were in control, when we declared independence, after the Civil War, During WWII and today. I wonder how much it really has changed since the days of Jefferson.

"taxed in our meat and in our drink"

Yeah they need to stop taxing me on my corndogs and Miller High Life before I start a revolution.

"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2461 times:

Yet again you whine about something you didn't even vote against!

User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

"how can 59,000,00 people be so stupid?"

I'm stupid? Your an asshole. How's that?

While I do agree that the person you are referring to is an asshole, you made yourself look stupid when you used "your" which is you possessive, when you should have used "you're"

So technically, you're both right.

And I voted for Bush as well, but I have no idea how heavy handed transit police are his fault.

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