JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1880 times:
This was on the cards though, wasn't it ? I'm surprised Colin Powell has stuck around this long, after being made to look a complete nana over the whole WMD Powerpoint presentation. It's a shame, because he has been IMHO a worthy and respected Secretary of State in spite of everything.
And of course, the question remains - who takes over ?
OYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 77 posts, RR: 16 Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1860 times:
How long until this goes off topic?
I will just sit back and wait on BN747 and Falcon84 to check the thread.
Well with this comment you just went off topic your self smartass
But to be honest I was sure this would happen since there has been discussions about it before.
I really admired Powell. He was a very good man. And like JGPH1A said it really was a shame that he was the one who had to sit in the security council and providing that "evidence" at that time.
And I wish him all the best in the future. He really deserves it.
TWISTEDWHISPER From Sweden, joined Aug 2003, 709 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1838 times:
Off topic:
Captoveur,
I like the rock you just threw... too bad you were still in the glass house...
Almost in the same class as the media whore statement...
On topic
Sad to hear about Mr Powells resignation, as far as I'm concerned, he is the better part of the administration....
Anybody have any thoughts about the reason for his resignation...?
I do, but I'll keep them to my self...for now...
Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11433 posts, RR: 81 Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1776 times:
It is relatively normal for the cabinet to have turnover, and all the exits so far have been anticipated. These have been 4 difficult years for these people and we should thank Sec Powell for his service. I personally hope he can go make some money now so he can retire comfortably. He has been in government service his entire life, and you don't make the big bucks that way.
I think its safe to expect another book in the next couple of years, and his presence on the speaking circuit.
N6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1771 times:
Bush should think outside the box and nominate Bill Clinton. With everything that's going on in the Middle East right now Clinton could play a huge role. It's well known that he wanted his legacy to include a lasting peace in the Middle East and this would give him a huge opportunity. Furthermore, he's been rumored to have said he wants the UN job, so forging a peace accord would go a long way towards getting him the job.
The move would be another indication of bi-partisanship by the White House.
I think it would be well accepted by the Europeans and developing nations as a conciliatory move.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1762 times:
Bush should think outside the box and nominate Bill Clinton.
N6376m, I honestly think President Bush should ask Bill Clinton to become his Special Envoy to the Middle East, in the wake of the death of Arafat. I think Clinton's force of personality, and his relative popularity there would bolster US chances to get moving on the "peace process".
N6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1757 times:
Listen, I'm as partisan as it comes, but the writing's on the wall. The old way of doing things isn't working and something new has to be tried.
As SecState Clinton would have to carryout administration policy but it would give him a seat at the table where policy was drafted. I think it's a win/win, W keeps Clinton on a short leash; Clinton get the exposure and opportunity he wants.
Sure Karl Rove will go apeshit but can you think of how it would neutralize administration critics. Furthermore, I think that it would help solidify the moderates within the party by showing that the administration is willing to work with the other side.
Aa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13975 posts, RR: 59 Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1758 times:
I agree, I think that would be a good move on Bush's part. Clinton was very popular.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1752 times:
I'm not arguing that it wouldn't be a smart move, sure. But this administration is a bit short of consensus-building initiatives thus far, and don't show the kind of humility and lateral thinking that the step you suggest would require.
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1747 times:
Well, names being floated, according to CNN, are Rice and Wolfwitz, both of which I think would be a disaster for US prestige around the world, when our prestige is already dog's meat.
How about someone like Dick Lugar? He's conservative; well-respected on both sides of the aisle, and is well versed on foreign policy.
Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11433 posts, RR: 81 Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1733 times:
Well, heres something funny...I was thinking along the same lines as Falcon. I think it would be a smart move to send Clinton and Bush 41 as a team to work on a peace initiative. Now is the window and to appoint these two would be to put the two biggest horses possible on the project. Both of them have experience in the region and there will be no mistaking the seriousness of the mission. The negotiations would be handled by the professionals anyway, but both sides would have to take this more seriously than anything done previously.
Solnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 785 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1703 times:
Maybe there is a God after all!
Micke
Airbus SAS - Love them both
25 SlamClick: While not a big fan of Clinton, that is a fascinating idea. It would be a good message, sending such a high-level personage into the project. It would
26 Tom in NO: It'd work out in one way for Clinton.....he'd have access to more interns . Tom at MSY
27 AMS: That is such a shame!.......In My opinion he was quite a sincere and genuine man!.....Although I have heard he took some distance from the Bush admini
28 Flyingbronco05: With Bushes "crew" resigning, I wonder when Bush will. Afterall, he can't run the country efficiently with them, what is he gonna do without them?
29 AA777: I was surprised that he stuck around this long... then again, I was surprised that he started to support the Iraq war. I dont know what his incentive
30 Thecoz: In a typical re-election, how many cabinet members usually resign?
31 N6376m: Slamclick, Though a former President does have a secret service detail, it in no way comes close to that of a sitting POTUS. In fact, I was at a resta
32 Rjpieces: Well, names being floated, according to CNN, are Rice and Wolfwitz, both of which I think would be a disaster for US prestige around the world, when o
33 Ctbarnes: My vote would be either for Rice or Danforth. Neither would be an ideal choice but considering what we have to work with.... Wolfowitz running Foggy B
34 Cwapilot: This is not surprising at all...what is surprising is the fact that he accepted the job in the first place, AND stayed on past the first 2 years, when
35 N6376m: Wolfowitz will have a HUGE Senate confirmation battle before he can assume any Article 2 office.
36 Rjpieces: I was surprised that he stuck around this long... then again, I was surprised that he started to support the Iraq war. I dont know what his incentive
37 N6376m: I forgot about N Korea. Now Clinton could head over there and mend the rift. I wonder how lil'Kim would greet him now that it came out that WJC had co
38 NWA742: Totally expected, but it still sucks that he's resigning. -NWA742
39 Rjpieces: One interesting thing to note is that Bush and Clinton are friends. Bush lavished him with praise when Clinton visited the White House a few months ag
40 Cwapilot: You assume Clinton is capable of avoiding grandstanding for at least 2 years, and is going to remain neutral regarding Hillary's 2008 ambitions. I don
41 Cwapilot: Friends?! That is taking it a little too far. What do you expect Bush to do at a portrait unveiling? "Here's your picture, asshole. Nice grin! Is that
42 Ctbarnes: Rice seems to be the likely replacement according to CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/15/powell/index.html Charles, SJ[Edited 2004-11-15 19
43 Rjpieces: Friends?! That is taking it a little too far. What do you expect Bush to do at a portrait unveiling? "Here's your picture, asshole. Nice grin! Is that
44 N6376m: CWAPilot - If you think US policy should be based on what Euro rags will write out us, then you're the naive one. Who the hell cares what the afternoo
45 NoUFO: Cwapilot: What is also not very surprising is the ignorance of our Eurowhiners. "An administration full of extremists"...my ass. You people know virtu
46 Andreas: Nobby, why do you care?? Little men with little power, little brains, even smaller d!cks and non-existent self-confidence bragging about how large the
47 N6376m: Hey Andreas - still holding onto the theory that the stock market wouldn't be affected by the outcome of the election?
48 Cwapilot: And the Eurowhiners resort to juvenile-sounding personal attacks...I guess it will be a normal week after all. Andreas, are you drunk, or have you bee
49 NoUFO: Andreas, some people's blind rants, how they maintain a concept of an enemy, their illusion of an all-round superiority and their inability to relax w
50 Cwapilot: NoUFO...you're right. According to American hygene standards, I do indeed clean out my ears on a daily basis...OHHHH WAIT!!! You were making a patheti
51 Avek00: The odds of Clinton serving as SoS is zero, zilch, none. However, the idea of sending him as part of a delegation to the MidEast is entirely plausible
52 NoUFO: Cwapilot, Your "contribution" to this thread is basically limited to blind rants against Europeans: They are "Eurowhiners" alltogether, their media ar
53 Iakobos: Cwapilot, Have a look at your post #34, last sentence of 2nd and last sentence of 3rd paragraphs. Looks pretty similar to hara-kiri. For your informat
54 Mdsh00: Looks like Condi will be his replacement.. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=254647
55 L-188: Damm Mdsh00 you beat me to it. The US's first Secretary of State that actually looks like a woman.
56 Superfly: Keep Richard Lugar in the Senate. He is one of the few Senate Republicans with common sense. Someone much worse than him can easily replace him. Remem
57 AA777: Powell was all for taking on Saddam, just not the way Bush did it. LOL, so please then, was Powell supportive of THE WAR, or not? Because, if you say
58 Ctbarnes: The US's first Secretary of State that actually looks like a woman. Now, now. Madiline Albright did have a kind of grandmotherly look about her. With
59 Bahadir: Conny Rice as head of state dept will prove that our country has been taken hostage by oil business.. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1111/
60 Bill142: I can tell you what I think in two words: Im Possible. your possible to what? if you ment to say Impossible which is actually one word. back on the to
61 Greaser: IT'S OFFICIAL, BUSH HAS NOMINATED CONDOLEEZA RICE FOR SECSTATE... SOURCE BBC
62 Indianguy: Would this be a good time to open an investigation into My Lai?
63 Falcon84: Would this be a good time to open an investigation into My Lai? Why, for Christ sake, Roy? What does that have to do with this subject?
64 AA777: This would be a good time to buy stock in oil companies.... Condi Rice... our New Secretary of State... ugh.... -AA777
65 Indianguy: Why, for Christ sake, Roy? Why not? Justice has already been denied to the victims for over 3 decades now. Now would be as good a time as ever. Does
66 Arsenal@LHR: Who wants to wage a bet that the next post by cwapilot or N6373M will not include the words "Euro", or "Erurowhiners"?
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