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User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2254 times:

Well it is half time and Spain are deservedly 1-0 up but why aren't England playing football and instead trying to maim their opponents (although the Spanish are play-acting). Rooney should have been sent off for pushing Casillas into the stand and Ashley Cole is going crazy too. Shame to see the racist Spanish fans make monkey chants at England's black players though.


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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2243 times:

The real question is: Why the hell isn't this match on the telly over here...?  Sad

C'mon England!

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User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2243 times:

Rooney did push Casillas but I'm amazed at the balletic run and jump he then took into the press area. I doubt if Rooney has a Superman kit on under his England shirt so top marks to Spain for the dancin

Scotland gettin thumped again btw.


User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2240 times:

To be honest I thought that was the least of the theatrics from the Spanish team. Casillas was running pretty fast and it looked like Rooney's push caught him off guard and he had to avoid running in to anyone. Can be quite nasty and a deserved yellow card. Didn't really see much else that wrong though, lots and lots of diving and feigning injury from the Spanish as per usual and one of the worst penalty decisions i've ever seen! England playing very very crap.

User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2231 times:

Looks like it will finish 1-0, England have been awful, Spain's fans are racist scum though - I'm sure FIFA will intervene. It's about time less civilised countries are made to behave by the same standards as the developed ones.


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User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2232 times:

I gave up on the game a long time ago it was so bad. Thom@s you were lucky that you didn't see it. Did England go there to play football?

As for the chants, it got worse when Wright-Phillips came on. I just wish he had scored.


User currently offlineScotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2226 times:

Wright-Phillips and Cole got disgraceful treatment. Erikson should have taken England off the park in protest at the so called Spanish "supporters" disgraceful chants

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2225 times:

Yup, pretty horrific in today's 'modern' world that we are still treated to 18th century behaviour like this. I hope those responsible gets what's coming to them

User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2221 times:

Well, as even the Spanish coach is racist, I'm not holding out much hope of anything being done.


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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2218 times:

I doubt it as well, but we can still hope right!? Maybe one of them will get beaten up by an English hooligan later tonight.

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2202 times:
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England were dreadful, i've never seen such a depressing display by an England team for a long time. The passing was a disgrace, how hard is it to pass the ball without giving it to the opposition? Good job it was only a friendly, i'd dread to see such a display in a competitive match, let's hope it was a one-off bad day at the office. Rooney lost the plot, Erikkson was right to haul him off before getting a meaningless red card in a friendly.

The other negative from the match was the monkey noises towards Englands black players, it was disgraceful. Those morons in the crowd making the noises should hang their heads in shame. What are the Spanish FA and FIFA gonna do about this? Not much probably since the Spanish coach is allowed to call Thierry Henry a shitty black man and still keep his job. It's shocking to see such a liberal attitude in Spain towards blatant racism. I have a feeling this racist culture is tolerated in other countries such as Italy and Greece where Englands black players have received abuse in the past. Some people still live in the dark ages in these countries.




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User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

Well one positive is that apparently the IOC are likely to take a dim view of the racism and that Madrid's Olympic bid will suffer as a result


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Pretty much agree with everyone else.

England were super-dreadful. This wasn't just one of those poor performances that all teams put in from time to time, this was hilariously incompetent. I thought it was summed up in the last minute when Paul Robinson got the ball, urged everyone upfield and promptly plopped the ball at the feet of a Spanish midfielder with no England player within 20 yards. I've never seen good players play so badly. Ashley Cole, who has to be one of the best left backs in the world, had an absolute nightmare, easily the worst I've ever seen him play. Poor old Michael Owen didn't have a single opportunity.

As for the Spanish fans, well, what else is there to say. That was one of the most disgusting displays of racism I've ever seen in sport. I know there's been a lot of comment about England walking off the pitch, but I do think this is hindsight. I can't honestly say I was sat there at the time thinking England should have gone, it was only afterwards when it was mentioned.

Still, FIFA and UEFA are quick to threaten England with all sorts of dire consequences whenever they step out of line. They should punish Spain heavily. It's 2004 for Christ's sake.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

If the chants had been coming from England fans we would have been barred from competition or forced to play our games behind closed doors. But as its Spain, nothing will come of it - they will laugh it off.


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24811 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

The chanting was sickening. Not as sickening as Scotland's performance though  Angry  Sad


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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Kirkie I fully agree...that was really sick!!! (The Scottish performance..and the English one!)  Big grin Big grin


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24811 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Just glad England lost. Big grin


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

The difference is, Kirkie, that England can play better.

Actually, realistically, the game has been utterly overshadowed by the racial abuse. This has all the hallmarks of becoming a diplomatic incident.



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

Which is of course just another poor attempt of England NOT to acknowledge that they played piss-poor...We lost, cannot be, let's make an incident out of it!  Big grin

btw: I've heard "monkey" noises in English, Italian, Spanish and German arenas...try to make a diplomatic incident out of that!

As for 2006: Be afraid, be very afraid!! Big grin Big grin Big grin

(that goes for England exclusively, the Scots won't make the way to Germany anyway Big grin)



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

No, Andreas, nothing of the kind. England's performance last night was pitiful, and no-one, NO-ONE, is using the racism issue to try to deflect from that. To be honest, suggesting that is what is happening is extremely insulting, and unbecoming of you. Take the piss out of England all you like, but don't do that.

btw: I've heard "monkey" noises in English, Italian, Spanish and German arenas...try to make a diplomatic incident out of that!

Hardly ever in England. Not any more. We did have a problem 20 years ago, but since then it's declined to virtually nil. I haven't heard it for a long, long time. That's not because English fans are somehow inherently more tolerant, God knows the hooligan problem still exists, but because of a concerted effort to eradicate it, one that has been almost entirely successful.

If you hear it at Spanish, German or Italian arenas, then it's time your (and their) FA's get off their backsides and do something about it. It's totally and utterly unacceptable. Saying it happens is absolutely no justification for it.



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Banco, racism is a very serious problem, nobody in his right mind would doubt that, and it is a problem in most countries, England included, Germany included, and it seems to me that it will never end because there will always be a certain percentage of braindeads that will never learn, or is too stupid too learn or has a strange sense of humour...whatever. Unfortunately most of these braindeads seem to be football fans or at least hooligans that work the sports arenas.

We had that discussion in connection to our first dark-skinned national team player Gerald Asamoah and another guy from Freiburg. It was discussed openly, it stopped or whenever it started during a game, the rest of the audience started to scream and yell. Still the problem goes on...as said above, a few braindeads that just can't or won't stop. (Well in the case of King Kahn one tends to be tolerant  Big grin)

What does surprise me is the harsh reaction of English officials...as said above, it's not exactly a once-in-a-lifetime-event - unfortunately! Actually I do not believe that these guys try to excuse the teams performance, but it did occur to me that the reaction might have been somewhat less noisy if England would have kicked the living you-know-what out of the Spanish team.


btw: I just saw some parts of the game so maybe I didn't see the worst!



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2100 times:

No, I don't think the result would have had any bearing whatsoever, though I must admit I was praying for England to score a beautiful goal with all the black players combining to shove it down their stupid racist throats. It wasn't just one or two mouth-breathing knuckledraggers, it was coming from at the very least hundreds, more likely thousands right around the ground. Every time black England players, especially Ashley Cole and Shaun Wright-Phillips (presumably because his skin was the darkest) the monkey noises were deafening. It was all you could hear through the TV.

Now, the point is this, we don't hear this in this country. Really, we don't. Twenty years ago, sure, but not any more. The whole reason there has been such outrage is because we don't hear it at English games any more. Now, I will honestly say this - yes, you do hear occasional racist abuse at European grounds, and eradicating it is one thing that the rest of Europe damn well should learn from us, but I haven't heard it this bad in a hell of a long time. It was all you could hear, not just a few cretins. No doubt you'll be able to seek out video of it on German TV at some point, but this was way beyond the normal few idiots.

Now, had the Spanish FA then come out and condemned it unequivocably, that would have been one thing, but the reason this row has gone on and headed up to government levels is because the Spanish media have pretty much ignored it

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=623472§ion=news

and so have their FA. Given this comes after Luis Arragones referred publicly to Thierry Henry as a "black shit" it's hardly surprising that the level of outrage has been so high.




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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13043 posts, RR: 78
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

The last chant to reach the press was aimed at Liverpool fans, "There's only one Boris Johnson"

Most chants are about regional stereotypes within the UK, in the 1980's fans from the richer South of England clubs used to wave wads of banknotes at fans from Northern Clubs, from regions that were suffering from economic problems.

The recent habit of some European fans of racist chanting does remind the UK of a darker time in their football history, from societies we are often told are more at ease with themselves.

I did 'enjoy' the Spanish Coach's rant about 'English' imperialism though, just as well his own forefathers had absolutely no record of foreign conquests, right?


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

I fully agree to your comment on the Spanish officials reaction, that was indeed a complete fu#@-up, to say it politely! When it happened to Asamoah a few years ago, all officials literally fell over their own feet running to the journalists to scream blue murder about those Nazis (and I don't think these are Nazis, just braindeads, not that there is much of a difference between both groups!).

But then I think that at least in Germany people do grow up learning NOT to use any words or remarks or "noises" that could be identified as somehow nazi-connected (which is a good thing actually, sometimes political correctness can have good side-effects!)...and most don't! This may be different in Spain!



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2096 times:
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Nobody in their right mind would deny that there's no racism in English football, ofcourse there is, there's always one or two bad apples here and there. But the difference between England and countries such as Spain, Italy and Greece (Greece, another big offender) is that here it's simply not tolerated, the atmosphere where you could make racial remarks and get away it is long gone (Ron Atkinson). What is disturbing is that the Spaniards seem to have a relaxed attitude towards it, they simply don't see what the big deal is. The Spanish coach is allowed to give Thierry Henry racial agro and get away with it, where is the outrage in Spain towards these remarks?



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25 GKirk : Throw that thug Rooney in jail may I add
26 Alcregular : At least the English fans were on their best behaviour and not in the wrong. This must be a first, is it? Im so glad I didn't watch the game, I normal
27 Spinzels : Racist chants in an England arena? Andreas, have you heard it in the last ten years? I find that impossible to believe. Almost every side in all of th
28 Spinzels : As for 2006: Be afraid, be very afraid!! Oh, very afraid. Especially after Lehman’s performance on Saturday: he held the Spurs to only four goals!
29 Post contains images Andreas : Racist chants don’t make much sense if they end up taunting your own side Spinzels: Quite so, but who said those morons want to make sense...or are
30 Racko : Quite funny that when Britain's best-selling newspapers come out with racist headlines on a daily business before a game against Germany, it's "Britis
31 GDB : What racist headlines? C'mon, a recent example, ill-informed knocking at Europe yes, but if a newspaper published an overtly racist headline, about th
32 Post contains links IBERIA747 : You can flame me for this, but here's what I think of what happened last night: I have never heard before at a Spanish arena the kind of noise or raci
33 Banco : Yes, you're right about Woodgate. And it went to court and he was convicted of a crime. What more do you want? No-one's saying that it doesn't exist h
34 Post contains images Anxebla : Guau!! .... wonderful issue to replace the present news from Irak, Mr Blair can be happy at the moment By the way... congratulations to all US a.net m
35 GKirk : Err..this is a serious issue. Racism should not be tolerated, although to be fair, it's only a few mindless Spanish thugs doing this. The vast majorit
36 Ryanb741 : Going back to the football, I thought Xavi was outstanding, as was the winger Joachin.
37 Post contains links Banco : Absolutely, Kirkie, which is why it was all the more shocking. Here's an interesting article on the subject, and though I don't really agree with the
38 EUROBUS : I'm sorry! In Spain we are not racist! As anybody who has been around Madrid or any other city, we are a multi-cultural and multi-race (do you say it
39 Anxebla : I did not see the match, therefore I don't have opinion.
40 Post contains images GKirk : Just think, England lost to a team that couldnt beat Scotland
41 Post contains images Anxebla : EUROBUS..... Luis Aragonés is a great coach. And I don't think he can be a racist... he's a bit "different" but he's not an evil person or something
42 BCal DC10 : And I don't think he can be a racist... He was caught on tape calling Thierry Henry a "black shit" - how can that not be racist?
43 Banco : And I don't think he can be a racist... I'm sorry? What part of "that black shit" is not racist? Now, we can get into the semantics of whether someone
44 Anxebla : L. Aragonés is not a bad person. Ok, he's a little strange. I think he had a bad day... that's all!
45 Ryanb741 : Right, so was Aparteid down to the South African government 'having a bad day'. Had Hitler simply got out of bed on the wrong side? Are the National F
46 Banco : Why is he still in a job, Anexbla? Why is it that the coach of Spain, a man representing his country, can say something like that, not see it as any k
47 Anxebla : Banco.... Aragonés is pretty well knew for us. Of course, I'm saying he's NOT right. He's WRONG! but If he had a racist, now it would be impossible s
48 Banco : But the question of why he is still in a job remains. More to the point, how come he didn't receive even the slightest censure for those comments? At
49 Anxebla : Maybe he might leave. I don't know, but anyway, I'm not very interested in soccer. When he was working by Atlético de Madrid some people call him "el
50 Post contains images Juanr : Unfortunately for people from certain countries Spaniards are racists, just ask any SouthAmerican in Spain if they've been called "Sudacas" by Spaniar
51 Post contains images Mdsh00 : Anxebla, must you make a jab at the US? Okay I'll be the second American on this thread. Sorry for the late addition but since this incident got next
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