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This Will Be The European Car Of The Year!  
User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2037 times:





I just tried the 180hp 2.0 VTS Coupe...I think I won't be getting that A3 after all  Big grin

UTA


Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
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User currently offlineJetBlast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Pretty cool looking! I love that Smart car thing....

JetBlast @ BWI  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Wonder what the C4 will be competing against in the next European CoTY...

I'd love to see the C4 win - Citroën is definitely rediscovering its gone-but-not-forgotten style, technical innovation and emphasis on comfort. At last, a manufacturer who is content not to chase all those Type-Rs, Cupras and GTIs (Mk Vs, at least  Big grin) in this segment, and who recognises that not everyone wants sportiness in a family car.

Just imagine, back in the days of the Xsara, Mégane I, Mk IV Golf and Astra, when the Focus was pretty much the only offering that emphasised design in any great way. Now look at today's small family hatch market... what a difference!

I'm intrigued as to what the Berlingo Multispace replacement is going to be like... should be good! Citroën's reinvention will then be complete!

Rich  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

UTA
European Car of the Year for 2005 has been already announced: TOYOTA PRIUS. And no other car deserves it more...


User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Yikes...it looks like the Pontiac Aztec.

From my point of view, I don't understand what is Citroen thinking. I find their newest models are very trendy and fashionable now, but in 4 years more we'll think they're horrible (I'm talking specifically abou the C2 and C3). It seems they're making disposable cars.


User currently offline707cMf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

I notice it has a 2 parts aft windshield, a bit like the Smart Brabus.

Having tested the aforementioned Smart, I remember checking in the rearview mirror was a real PITA. Is it also the case for the C4 coupe, or did they manage to do better ?

cheers,

707


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

http://www.caroftheyear.org/pages/Coty05.htm

1. Toyota Prius - 406 pts.
2. Citroën C4 - 267 pts.
3. Ford Focus - 228 pts.
4. Opel Astra - 180 pts.
5. Renault Modus - 151 pts.
6. Peugeot 407 - 135 pts.
7. BMW 1 - 83 pts.


Wonder what the C4 will be competing against in the next European CoTY...

It will not be competing in the 2006 CoTY, because it was introduced in 2004 and has been already nominated for the 2005 CoTY.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7792 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Citroen has always been known for its somewhat off the wall styling and technical details. But in the past decade, decade and a half, their line-up has consisted of nothing but mildly reskinned Peugeots.... not saying that Pugs are bad cars. But now by taking the generally very good PSA corporate mechinals and put the cool looking sheet metal on it.


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User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

What the heck, no Fiat?

Anyway, as always the ones who bribed the most journalists win. You hardly see any Prius on the road here...

I hate the steering wheel of that Citroen, Nobody ever asked for the center of the wheel not to turn...


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Racko,
I agree with you that some (many) of the past winners were rather surprising and controversial. 1986 - Ford Scorpio, 1987 - Opel Omega, 1996 - Fiat Bravo/Brava, 1991 - Renault Clio, 1998 - Alfa Romeo 156, 2003 - Renault Megane just to name a few.
However, I think that Prius really deserves it for making a hybrid engine a truly viable option. A real advancement in automotive industry.

On the other hand, I think that polls and stats like TÜV or JD Power tell you more about which car is good and which is not.


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

I don't care what the award that car with, it is u-g-l-y.

Thom@s



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Can you say "BUTT UGLY"? And what's that display supposed to be? A speedo?  Laugh out loud I hate the Twingo for this, and I'll hate that... thing for it.

Setzen, sechs.  Big grin



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

it is u-g-l-y.

Prius or C4? Or both?


User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Interior looks horrible!
Otherwise not too bad.



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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

"Prius or C4? Or both?"

That thing in the pic up there...  Smile

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Ok, so I for one didn't realise that CoTY 2005 had already been announced - admittedly it was only three days ago  Big grin

The Prius was a worthy winner - as ecologically sound as its predecessor, but far more practical and relevant. Perhaps in a year without the C4, Focus and Astra, the Renault Modus would have done better - however, I'm not convincec of the Peugeot 407's place in the final seven. And BMW should probably be worried...

Rich


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Better looking than that Mégane Renault Sport. Ow!!



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User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Better looking than that Mégane Renault Sport. Ow!!

Noooo!! The Mégane Renaultsport looks the business! I saw one the other day in black, and it looked... well, see the "bollocks" thread for a suitable expression!

Rich  Big grin


User currently offlineAlcregular From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

It loos more like a Renault Megane really.

User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

HA! Good line RED.

Renault needs to let Citroen stick to the "different" style of car. One expected that from them. The DS was gorgeous, the CX fantastic, and the XM a thing from another world.

Why, oh why can't we get cars like this HERE in the good old U.S. of A.



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

The first thing I noticed was the tiny rear windshield. How do you use your rear view mirror on a car like that??


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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

The first thing I noticed was the tiny rear windshield.

Wasn't there a 3-door Mazda 323 in 1st half of 1990s with the same design idea of the rear windshield?


BTW, late models Citroën XM with Hydroactive 2 that's one fine car... except for the gas mileage.


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

That whole split glass rear hatch thing is not very likeable.

The first time I remember seeing that was on the first generation Honda CRX. My Aztek has it, as well, and believe me, it takes a while to get used to the big horizontal line across the rear view mirror.



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User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

I just cannot stand those "little" cars. I don't think a full sized truck or SUV is necessary, but these things? YUK. VW Golf rehash...all of them. Hopefully, with Focus sales waning, there will be fewer and fewer of those to look at here. And the Prius?! Hideous...Corolla out of a trash compactor.


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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

Cwapilot,
the 1960s ended four decades ago!
US-made gas-guzzling inefficient monsters are becoming more and more kind of automotive dinosaurs. No surprise that rest of the world sees smaller, efficient cars using alternative fuels as the way of the future.
But as long as you are willing to waste your GIs and be in fact hostages of the Saudis...


25 Cwapilot : Wow...can't even express an opinion about a car without being attacked! Can't a bunch of guys discuss cars without a bunch of sanctimonious environmen
26 Springbok747 : How the hell did the Toyota Prius win the European car of the year??! Its one of the most ugliest looking things I have seen...might as well award "ca
27 EGGD : I can't STAND that fricking speedometer, I can't STAND the whole rear of the car and i'd imagine its a bitch for rear visibility. What a crap car!
28 Post contains images RedDragon : The DS was gorgeous, the CX fantastic, and the XM a thing from another world. *drool*
29 Superfly : Whoa that thing is ugly!
30 Tristarenvy : With the hydraulics "down" it's a better looker. The DS "break", or wagon, looks better than the sedan.
31 Post contains images RedDragon : Yes, I'm not sure why Citroën photographed the Goddess with the suspension up. If it's good enough for Concorde to be drooped..... I don't agree with
32 Post contains images Tristarenvy : I didn't buy it for it's looks. It was cheap, and fully loaded. (And I couldn't find a nice Rover 3800 ) I have a copy of Collectible Automobile from
33 Post contains images Whitehatter : Nice looking car but Citroen build quality is scary. If the C3 is anything to go by, I'd rather get the bus. This was the best car they ever made The
34 Post contains images RedDragon : In my experience C3 build quality is, by and large, fine. My mother has driven one since new two years ago, and hasn't had any problems with the build
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