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Detroit Shows Its Class Again  
User currently offlinePJ295 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 166 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

A great moment for Detroit sports fans......kind of like after the 84 world series win. I didn't see a post about this yet. I wonder what effects will be for all teams across the league.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1927380

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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

I was thinking about starting a thread on this too. The article really doesnt do that scene justice, it was very, very ugly. Ron Artest is about as big a hot head as the league has seen. Imagine, all this happened with a mellow Rasheed Wallace too!


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Rasheed Wallace showed some of the most class of any in this whole incident! If you see the replay, he's consistently trying to break up fights and scuffles, he manages to keep his cool the entire time.


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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

It took the cake when the tape showed a referee getting hit in the head with a bottle and an old man on the ground who may have been hit by the chair. That was very disgusting. I hope the NBA and Auburn Hills Police come down hard on whoever needs to be. This is also why beer shouldn't be sold after halftime or the 3rd quarter.


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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

I was simply amazed, I watched this live. I am still in shock about this. Anyone who would want to fight a pro player of any sport is a numbskull.


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User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

PJ295: Do not rag on Detroit. Was it embarrassing, yes, and it was an unfortunate occurance, but don't fault all the Detroit fans. It was a few bad apples that ruined the image.

Since its not in your profile, where are you from? I bet its not perfect either.



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

Sadly, this is going to hurt NBA fans nationwide as perhaps the NBA might force stadiums to move the stands further away from the players. Like always, it always takes some drunk assholes to ruin it for everyone. Did anyone see that footage of the kid crying in the stands?

[Edited 2004-11-20 20:30:47]


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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

Mds- oddly enough, I know the young kid. He is one of the Piston's sons. I will not say which one, but this Piston had his three sons at the summer camp that I worked at. Great kids. The NBA fellow was real nice too.


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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Just saw some of the footage - and DAMN that punch one of the players landed would have made even Iron Mike proud.

Having said that, the player that decided to wander into the stands to "talk" to the guy throwing beer at him, did an incredible stupid thing. He should have had security to remove the man. Instead, he's the one looking forward to probably a major fine as well as some suspension time.


User currently offlinePJ295 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

"PJ295: Do not rag on Detroit. Was it embarrassing, yes, and it was an unfortunate occurance, but don't fault all the Detroit fans. It was a few bad apples that ruined the image.

Since its not in your profile, where are you from? I bet its not perfect either."

I grew up in Flint...........I love all of the Detroit teams (I will always be a lifetime fan of the Pistons, Tigers, Red Wings, Lions) . I do think that these idiots really made fans in SE Michigan look bad. It takes a few to ruin it for everyone.....like the idiots after the 84 world series. I no longer live in Michigan and currently live in the ATL metro area......


User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1267 times:

Well, it was still just a few bad apples; unfortunately that gives the whole area a negative image.


"It starts when you're always afraid; You step out of line, the man come and take you away" -Buffalo Springfield
User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

I was announced about 3:30 pm, EST, that the NBA:
Is suspending indefinately 3 Pacers (including Artest) and Wallace of Detroit.
Will review security and related policies at all venues
Will cooperate with police investigations.

Want to bet that some guys will be in jail? One player (from Phoenix) watching the game from home, suggested that there will be huge civil lawsuits by the fans, going for 'that NBA money'. I bet some lawyers have already met with fan 'victims'. Guess some players involved will have to go for a Cavilier instead of the Esclade with the 'dubs' wheels.....

It is sad that so few in Detroit have to be such idiots. But it is so clear to players they will pay if they go into the crowd. Did you see the reaction of some of the children at the game that saw that? It was a scary incident. It is one of the blackest moments in NBA history. Both teams should be fined millions for allowing it to happen, maybe they should both be exclued from the opportunity to be in the playoffs. (like college teams in NCAA trouble are excluded from post-season games)


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

On an another note, if Indiana loses O'Neal, Artest, and Jackson for the rest of the season, they are done for. They won't need to be banned from the playoffs.


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User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

The NBA needs to take some serious measures here! First of all, Artest ought to get a very serius ultimatum. This has to have been his last misconduct! He is constantly in the middle of controversy. First the TV´s, then his record, now the fight! What else?
Then, Jermaine O´neal needs to have a serious suspension here! Did you see the punch he threw at a Pistons fan? he nocked him on the floor! This is uneacceptable behaviour. This guys are athletes and get paid accordingly, how on earth can they engage in fights against normal people, knwoing their phisical advantage over them is way to big????
And then Stephen Jackson. No comments here, should get a serious suspension as well.

now, on Ben wallace, it´s hard to determine. He was only involved in pushing Artest, and then going after him. But when alll the fights started to happen, he kept out of them. He shoud get a 4/5 game suspension. Also, bear in mind he´s just lost a brother. I understand Ben´s reaction. He is not emotionally stable, and he got Ron Artest bothering him all game.

Finally, this fight is not NBA´s doom, but rather something very positive in terms of money. Just think of all the people who´ll now watch pistons-pacers now


User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1217 times:

I was thinking, if Shaq was on Indy, I bet no one would have thrown anything at anyone. Who would want to mess with a 7'2'' 340lbs man? Big grin


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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Unfortunately, for better or for worse, this just strengthen's the view middle America has about cities like Detroit, Chicago, New York, Los Angeles and Boston. Wheather or not its justified, much of the country views these cities in a negative way due to the hot-headedness and thugishness they percieve the population there to be. I don't think you would ever see anything like this in citeis like Minneapolis, Dallas, or Kansas City.


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User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

I think the NBA, The Pistons, Pacers and the Palace of Auburn Hills have got to be very grateful that this incident happened when it did....with 45 seconds left to go and the game pretty much decided....many of the 22,000+ fans in attendance last night had already left...there were many, many empty seats behind the benches and scorers table. I'd hate to think what may have happened if this awful incident would have taken place half way through the second or third quarter.

The image I will remember is that of the young Pistons fan, shown in the stands with tears streaming down his face....so many young fans look up to these pro athletes...this poor kid had to witness this crap.

Sad....very, very sad.

Quite interesting....the Pistons and Pacers do not play again until.....Christmas Day.



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User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

I don't think you would ever see anything like this in citeis like Minneapolis, Dallas, or Kansas City.

Why not? I would bet that the same situation could happen at any sporting event in any city. Just because a certain city does not fit the mold of Detroit or New York does not mean it won't happen there.



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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

Why not?

Well for one, I am unaware of any precedent of this happening in middle america. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it is much more common in the cities I mentioned. This year the yankees fans threw thing onto the field in new york. There was the Cleveland NFL incident. The attack on the coach at Comisky park. I don't recall this ever happening in the cities i mentioned.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but it doesn't happen. And it doesn't help the perception amercians have.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

I've appropriately retitled the thread. You wouldn't see this happening at a Red Wings game (The fan that was heckling is probably a disgruntled hockey fan needing to vent out pent up anger).

User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1141 times:


Well don't expect anyone to "get suspended for the season". The only way that'll ever happen is if someone gets killed or critically injured, which did not happen last night. There'll be a lot of finger pointing and hand wringing (similar to what's going in this thread) but eventually all that's going to happen is that the players involved will get fined, serve suspensions (most likely none longer than 10 games max) and the NBA will just try to get people to forget and move on. Either that or hype the shit out of the rematch.

I'll be midly surprised if any criminal charges are filed. When Texas Rangers pitcher Frank Francisco threw a chair into the stands and broke that lady's nose, he was let go and no charges were filed. I'm sure the same will happen here. Maybe you'll see a lawsuit or two and maybe it'll get settled out of court for a few hundred thousand. But how are you going to sue someone for clocking you in the face after you throw a cup full of water at them? When they did absolutely nothing to you? As for those fatasses in Pistons gear that got clocked by Artest and O'Neal? I'm glad they got punched out. How in the hell are you going to run out onto the court and threaten a player and expect them to look the other way? So what if the player is bigger than them, they shouldn't be going on the court to look for a fight in the first place. They got what they deserved.





User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

Why not?

Well for one, I am unaware of any precedent of this happening in middle america.


Detroit is "middle America". It is not comparable to Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York City.

It is quite ironic that this did happen in Detroit, a city with terrible image in the first place, but it can happen anywhere...Orlando, Chicago, Miami, Los Angeles. There was a big incident in Orlando about two years ago when a fan through beer onto the a player from a visting team after he was ejected.



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User currently offlineRoastedNutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1135 times:


Detroit is still a major city though. Larger and meaner than cities like Minneapolis or Kansas City. Still this wasn't even in Detroit proper. Isn't Aubrun Hills one of the nicer Detroit suburbs? And whoever thinks this wouldn't happen at one of these "high moral-value, salt-of-the-Earth Midwestern cities" is full of crap. Something like this could happen at any major sporting event given the right circumstances.


User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

And whoever thinks this wouldn't happen at one of these "high moral-value, salt-of-the-Earth Midwestern cities" is full of crap. Something like this could happen at any major sporting event given the right circumstances.


I'm not saying it won't happen, it just isn't as common.



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1094 times:

Just when I thought sports fans here in the USA are less likely to have the type of hooliganism that plagues European association football matches, this debacle at the Pacers-Pistons game had to happen.  Insane

Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson are at least suspended through the end of the 2004 calendar year; Ben Wallace will likely be back by the third week in December 2004. I wouldn't be surprised that Artest and Jackson are suspended at minimum through the NBA All-Star Break.

Shameful, shameful behavior.


25 KYIPpilot : I'm not saying it won't happen, it just isn't as common. It is not common in Detroit, either. When the Red Wings won the Stanley Cup a few times, nobo
26 Post contains images Confuscius : I went to watch a basketball game and a soccer fight broke out.
27 XFSUgimpLB41X : My domicile showing its true colors..that was pretty dang cool...
28 L-188 : Detroit is "middle America". OH hell no. Detroit is part of the rust belt.
29 Post contains images Tiger119 : "now, on Ben wallace, it´s hard to determine. He was only involved in pushing Artest, and then going after him. But when alll the fights started to h
30 Stretch 8 : The problem here is not the fans, but a few of them should be prosecuted. It is the increasing perception that the NBA is full of young, underachievin
31 Itsjustme : Just a quick geography lesson for all of you Detroit bashers. The Palace of Auburn Hills is in.......you guessed it....Auburn Hills, not Detroit. As a
32 EGGD : Damn these soccer fans are so violent, what a disgrace!
33 Neilalp : Wasn't it Cleveland that threw beer bottles on the field of a Football game last year? The man who threw the cup, is not allowed to drink on court ord
34 Itsjustme : A new twist to the story is that it was David Gorcyca who, after reviewing TV footage of the incident, identified the unknown fan who threw the beer o
35 Tiger119 : "The man who threw the cup, is not allowed to drink on court order and shouldn't have been drinking is what the latest story is." - Maybe he (Mr Cup T
36 Itsjustme : - Maybe he (Mr Cup Thrower) will go back to jail/prison since he was direct violation of a court order. Most judges don't like their orders being igno
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