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The UN Out Of US - Some Repubs Would Like It  
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5980 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=8d8f2e4c453564c2&cat=c08dd24cec417021

I wonder when "Move America Forward" realises that the UN property in New York isn't US land, but international territory?

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User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

I would welcome the UN headquarters in Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver. Truly world class cities in a relatively benevolent and neutral country.

Someday when sanity is returned to the White House, some will realize how huge a mistake this was (is).

Will other countries ever join such an organisation with the US again?


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

OK,

ONE: There is NO news of this anywhere else at least that I've seen.

TWO: The page you linked has an article on Saddam's lawyers.

THREE: Even if true, these few "Repubs" can do jack shit about it. There's still enough Dems to provide an opposition, and enough moderates (the only intellectually sound people, PERIOD) to block such a move.

People, IQs are a dime a dozen, quit being so damn cheap.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41573

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=qw1101160980401U256

http://www.moveamericaforward.org/


User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Wow, that didn't help your case at all. "moveameriaforward" is just another cracked up fringe site, no different than its counterpart "moveone.org". If you actually take this effort seriously, and believe that it will lead to the UN being booted, I pity you.

And as for "moveamericaforward"...I have my own petition those clowns can sign, one that calls for Washington D.C. to be towed out to sea and sunk. No surprise that such an organization comes from California...the land of fruits and nuts. I also love how they call themselves "non-partisan". Bullshit, Airplay. The UN will stay in place...end of story.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

Umm...this thread was started to discuss the subject. It is clear that you feel strongly about the questionable source. Good for you. Unfortunatly you chose the worst possible way to express your views. Attack the message, not the messanger Boeing4ever....

User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Umm...this thread was started to discuss the subject. It is clear that you feel strongly about the questionable source. Good for you. Unfortunatly you chose the worst possible way to express your views. Attack the message, not the messanger Boeing4ever....

Bullshit, plain and simple. Let's not beat around the bush...I've watched the A.net partisans bitch and snipe long enough to recognize who on here has an agenda, and I'm not buying your crap Airplay. And these statements of yours don't lend credence to the "I'm a messenger" fall back defense...

I would welcome the UN headquarters in Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver. Truly world class cities in a relatively benevolent and neutral country.

Oh, benevolent and neutral are you? You're no more benevolent or neutral than John Ashcroft or Ted Kennedy...more like transparent to me. World class cities eh? No argument there...but what in your crackpot mind makes New York a non-world class city!?

Someday when sanity is returned to the White House, some will realize how huge a mistake this was (is).

What sanity!? I know your agenda...you want right wing nutjob replaced with left wing nutjob, no beating around the bush there either...either way, you're whole ideology stands in the way of the true intelligentsia of the middle.

Will other countries ever join such an organisation with the US again?

Countries that don't hold the petty bitch grudges you're holding will.  Insane

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21410 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Most countries on the planet would consider it an honour to host the UN within their borders. It would be a huge mistake of historic proportions to expel them.

User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Where's the John Birch Society when you need 'em?  Big grin Just KIDDING!!!

Keep the UN right here.



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Boeing4ever....you obviously have your panties in a major bunch. This subject must be closed to your heart. Again however it is unfortunate that you chose personal attacks over dialogue.

I've watched the A.net partisans bitch and snipe long enough to recognize who on here has an agenda, and I'm not buying your crap Airplay.

An agenda? Please fill me in on my “agenda” and then perhaps we’ll both know. On second thought, don’t bother. Save your strength for one of your other obsessions….


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

I'd rather see the US withdraw from the UN.

User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Boeing4ever....you obviously have your panties in a major bunch. This subject must be closed to your heart. Again however it is unfortunate that you chose personal attacks over dialogue.

An agenda? Please fill me in on my “agenda” and then perhaps we’ll both know. On second thought, don’t bother. Save your strength for one of your other obsessions….

Don't start Airplay, I know what you were attempting to start with reply 1, and if the hammer came down on you as a result, don't complain. I've watched the same people start fight after fight, and squeeze out everybody else. It's time to put the squeeze on the same people.

Now, for another low point in the thread...

I'd rather see the US withdraw from the UN.

You know a popular statement by "ugly Americans" such as yourself is that the Europeans let Hitler come to power and didn't do anything about him. Well you know, the League of Nations would have been able to do more had the US been a member of it. And don't give me our neutrality as our interest as an excuse, I know you too well, much like our frightened member Airplay...do you consider Iraq a neutral action?

Whether you like it or not, America resides on the same planet as Europe, Asia, Australia, etc. Rather than isolating ourselves, and opening ourselves up to attacks by certain agitators like Airplay, perhaps we should actually do more reaching out to the world. Or is that against the diction of Herr Bush as well!?  Insane

I don't know which of you is sadder...I guess we'll find out soon though.

B4e-Forever New Frontiers


User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21410 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

MD-90: I'd rather see the US withdraw from the UN.

Go ahead, make your rogue nation status official!  Nuts


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Whether you like it or not, America resides on the same planet as Europe, Asia, Australia, etc. Rather than isolating ourselves, and opening ourselves up to attacks by certain agitators like Airplay, perhaps we should actually do more reaching out to the world. Or is that against the diction of Herr Bush as well!?

Agitator? Hey read the contents of the posts. I didn't start any movement to kick the UN out of the US. I merely made it clear that Canadians would recognize the value of having the UN. Just as Americans should.

Believe it or not Boeing4ever, we're on the same side here. The people who are behind this are idiots.

As far as "agitators" go, you should really review this entire thread. You will quickly realize where the agitation is coming from....or just look in a mirror. In any event, try to calm down before you post again...


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

If it hadn't been for foolish Woodrow Wilson and his determination to interefere with European politics there probably never would've been a WWII. You can insult me, a fellow American, all you want, but I actually have a reason for saying what I say. The UN is a cesspool of corruption, much like far too many of its member nations. The US has regrettably supported some of the vilest dictators that the world has ever known through the UN and by the distribution of foreign aid.

The idea of a United Nations-type insitution is not a bad one, however the current model is corrupt beyond belief and does not adequately live up to its lofty ideals.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2230 times:

I would welcome the UN headquarters in Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver. Truly world class cities in a relatively benevolent and neutral country.

New York is as World Class as they come in North America Airplay. I agree that the UN should be in a more neutral country like Switzerland but it is in New York since it started so i t might as well stay there.

I'd rather see the US withdraw from the UN.

Repubs would like this much more.





Engineers Rule The World!!!!!
User currently offlineWn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2221 times:

Go ahead, make your rogue nation status official!

Right, because the germans have been such great neighbors, certainly good enough to lecture other countries about being rogues. It really is too bad the US was rogue enough that you didn't have to type that crap in Russian.

And the amazing thing is how my entire extended fam (Residing in the EU), likes to joke about Americans having short memories. . .

As for the topic, who cares? The UN may have had such lofty ideals once, but when a Capitalist Democratic republic only has the same representation that some tin-pot dictatorship or corrupt-beyond-belief tuotonic weapon smuggler has, it's really all acedemic. The UN just is not a worthwhile effective institution. Either they will rubber stamp the US, or they will support theocratic dictatorships. Good thing we have it around. . .


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2217 times:


And as for "moveamericaforward"...I have my own petition those clowns can sign, one that calls for Washington D.C. to be towed out to sea and sunk.


May I please have some advance warning of this? I need to get to higher ground first.

N


User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

Hey!

If the Yanks don't want it because the UN is bad. You are more than welcome to place the UN in Copenhagen. I would be damn proud if that happened  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2202 times:
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"If it hadn't been for foolish Woodrow Wilson and his determination to interefere with European politics there probably never would've been a WWII."

I thought the U.S. opted out of the League of Nations, despite it having been Wilson's brainchild. You really think the US could have prevented WWII?

"The US has regrettably supported some of the vilest dictators that the world has ever known through the UN and by the distribution of foreign aid."

The first part is true -- but I don't think you can blame that on the UN. Policy decisions by a succession of administrations in the White House did that -- from Nixon through Clinton. How is that the UN's fault?



Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21410 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Wn700driver: Right, because the germans have been such great neighbors, certainly good enough to lecture other countries about being rogues.

Having a history of being a bully until 60 years ago and two generations of peaceful and constructive work and being a good neighbour since then sure help recognizing a bully when we see one. Especially with that history.


Wn700driver: It really is too bad the US was rogue enough that you didn't have to type that crap in Russian.

Sorry, no cheap excuses.


Wn700driver: As for the topic, who cares?

Most people apart from yourself.

Wn700driver: The UN may have had such lofty ideals once, but when a Capitalist Democratic republic only has the same representation that some tin-pot dictatorship or corrupt-beyond-belief tuotonic [huh?] weapon smuggler [who are you talking about?] has, it's really all acedemic. ["academic", perhaps?]

And, no. It´s called democracy. Same principle that gives your vote the same weight as your despised neighbour, a millionaire or any celebrity.

You may disagree with the choice of leadership (or lack of choice) for a given country, but they´re still the representatives of their respective populations.

And what you´re calling for simply seems to be that you´ll have your say but other people on the planet just have to obey without being heard - just like "nobility" and serfs in a bygone era.

Since 96% of the people on the planet would fall in the latter category in your favourite world order, you won´t find much appreciation for that kind of idea.


Wn700driver: The UN just is not a worthwhile effective institution.

Yeah; Why not return to the "good old times" of authoritarian dictatorship!  Nuts


Wn700driver: Either they will rubber stamp the US, or they will support theocratic dictatorships.

What are you talking about? You clearly have no clue what you´re talking about.


Wn700driver: Good thing we have it around. . .

In view of the alternative, absolutely!


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5980 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Either they will rubber stamp the US, or they will support theocratic dictatorships.

The difference between those two are becoming razor-thin these days, with Bush selling himself to the Christian right & republicans being in control of just about every house & chamber. The only thing that's currently keeping the US from descending into a theocratic dictatorship is the few Democrats that currently keeps the republicans from having 2/3 majority in the Senate. If they ever recieve that 2/3 majority, non-christian, non-caucasion, non-heterosexual people in the US might sure hell start trembling with fear.

I was stunned to read the other day, that the majority of people in the US believed in the Creationism myth over the Evolution theory. Only 16% of those surveyed said that they didn't believe God had ANYTHING to do in creating the Universe & everything in it. I remember reading, that a very large percentage of americans believe the the Rapture (ie. Jesus Christ re-dux), which is why US politics wrt Israel is basically a hands-off one. Israel can do just about anything they want, without the US protesting, because Bush needs the well-willingness of Israel, to show off to his base (in case you're unfamiliar with the Rapture, it basically says that once Jesus steps down from above, Israel and everyone in it will go to hell, while every devout Christian will go to heaven. If Israel doesn't exist, everyone will go to hell). Israel actually have more support among the Christian Right, than they do among Israeli Jews.

These are the people that currently controls the worlds sole superpower. Freaking scary if you ask me.

[Edited 2004-11-24 16:59:53]

User currently offlineBushcheney2004 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

Screw the useless U.N. I am all for withdrawing. They are good for nothing.

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5980 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Well, I didn't hear you bitch when the UN consistently kept up the trade embargo against Iraq, nor when UN sanctioned the first Gulf War.

User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Well, I didn't hear you bitch when the UN consistently kept up the trade embargo against Iraq, nor when UN sanctioned the first Gulf War.

He was probably never born at that time. That is why he don't know anything about those incidents Big grin


25 Cfalk : As a Swiss living in Geneva, the "other" UN Headquarters, I would not mind seeing the UN leave Geneva as well. The people there don't pay taxes, drive
26 Techrep : If you had to foot 25% of the UN budget and 33% of the peacekeeping budget you may think differently. TechRep
27 Srbmod : Considering the fact that the US is one of the key members of the UN, as well as one of the countries behind its' founding, we've never held any of th
28 Cfalk : The UN should consolidate all of their agencies and departments in Geneva, as historically, the city has played a role in world affairs and treaties.
29 Slider : MD-90s point is on target. The concept of international cooperation and a body that can serve as a forum for joint cooperative efforts is a noble one.
30 Post contains images OYRJA : The UN should consolidate all of their agencies and departments in Geneva, as historically, the city has played a role in world affairs and treaties.
31 Klaus : It´s downright bizarre to watch how the systematic anti-UN propaganda in the US has actually succeeded in putting distorted and even factually false
32 Post contains images Solnabo : The hawks / Bush are after Kofi Annan, no doubt about it: Mr Annan are not for sale........period! They (WH staff & Fox News) are doing everything to
33 Techrep : Solnabo, You may get your wish and then Europe can finally defend itself and pay the bill. TechRep
34 Post contains images Solnabo : Yepp! I wish United Nations moved to Geneva or Paris, but that´s my humble opinion. The earth doesn´t spinn around US, you know. Micke
35 Techrep : Solnabo, Ahh Sweden Ikea, Abba, Saab and Volvo, yep that about does it. TechRep
36 Airplay : Ahh Sweden Ikea, Abba, Saab and Volvo, yep that about does it. TechRep If you are going to insult an entire country Techrep, at least do enough resear
37 StarAC17 : Screw the useless U.N. I am all for withdrawing. They are good for nothing. No they just sometimes want what the US wants and they take the opinion of
38 Solarix : US, get the --- out of UN, you are an embarresment to the rest of the world. Please explain to me how the US is an embarrassment to the rest of the wo
39 Solarix : If you are going to insult an entire country Techrep, at least do enough research to avoid embarassing yourself. You constantly insult my country Airp
40 Klaus : The Bush administration is not identical with the United States of America. Criticizing the former is (or at least can be) independent of criticism of
41 Post contains images Boeing4ever : If you are going to insult an entire country Techrep, at least do enough research to avoid embarassing yourself. Sweden is quite an advanced industria
42 Post contains images Klaus : Boeing4ever: Hey, you know what's interesting!? I remember you calling most Americans dumb along with the rest of the handful of bitter partisans afte
43 Boeing4ever : Well, at least many americans (with you among them) were unable to recognize the obvious differences. Sad. Very sad. Not being able to look beyond the
44 Klaus : Boeing4ever: Interesting, interesting...how easily you let yourself be duped by one of the two political parties (nay, terrorist organizations) of the
45 Boeing4ever : Not "naturally". The majority system in the USA realistically doesn´t allow for the introduction of new forces, so it was between Bush and Kerry. And
46 Klaus : Boeing4ever: How blind and sad you are. Kerry would have made few if any positive changes. Do you really believe all of the propaganda you've been fed
47 Boeing4ever : You don´t see the difference, so you´re aggressively fighting for everybody to go just as blind as you are? Sorry. no. You believe the Democrats' pr
48 Gigneil : I remember reading, that a very large percentage of americans believe the the Rapture (ie. Jesus Christ re-dux), which is why US politics wrt Israel i
49 MD-90 : They're good for a few things. The UN isn't too bad at humanitarian efforts (unfortunately, they seem to be inept at "peacekeeping"). I have never met
50 Gigneil : And what, exactly, will you do when he returns? Follow him as a King? The Rapture is all well and good as long as it never happens. If it does, I'm qu
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