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Israeli Soldiers Force Palestinian To Play Violin.  
User currently offlineQantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5853 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

this i found to be very disturbing, in the 2nd World War the Nazi's used to force the Jews to play the violin whilst other Jews were being gassed. what were these idiots thinking??



Israel shocked by image of soldiers forcing violinist to play at roadblock

Chris McGreal in Jerusalem
Monday November 29, 2004
The Guardian

Of all the revelations that have rocked the Israeli army over the past week, perhaps none disturbed the public so much as the video footage of soldiers forcing a Palestinian man to play his violin.

The incident was not as shocking as the recording of an Israeli officer pumping the body of a 13-year-old girl full of bullets and then saying he would have shot her even if she had been three years old.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/St...1361755,00.html for the article in full.

[Edited 2004-11-30 08:31:58]


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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

Indeed horrible. The soldiers in question will be persecuted of course, but this is really shocking.
BTW, the link that you provided does not work.

In other news:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1362610,00.html




2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

Will be persecuted? Surely you jest. You and I obviously didn't read the same article.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1361552,00.html

While the officer responsible for killing Iman al-Hams has been charged with relatively minor offences, and the soldiers who forced the violinist to play were ticked off for being "insensitive", the only troops who were swiftly punished for violating regulations last week were some who posed naked in the snow for a photograph. They were dismissed from their unit.



User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

Russophile,

The above officer is under trial right now and he faces several years in prison (the counts of trial include illegal use of a weapon and several others that under the IDF penal code may cost him at least 7 years of freedom)
The soldiers in the violin case will face military tribunal.
Regarding the naked commandos "punishment" - they were dismissed from the army 2 months before they were supposed to do so.


TWISTEDWHISPER,

Clearly you see all of the Jews as some other members of this forum see all of the Arabs. You fail to distinguish between different people and speak of Jews and not of Israelis - thus your post is anti-semitic and racist and I suggested deletion.



2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

Truly a crime against humanity, playing a violin. Disgusting!!

User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Truly a crime against humanity, playing a violin. Disgusting!!

You do know that you sound like JeffM now right?  Big grin

It might not be that bad to play violin. But that is unnecessery force used against the palestinian guy. Would you have liked it if someone was pointing a gun at you and told you to play the violin? Big grin


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1943 times:

It might not be that bad to play violin. But that is unnecessery force used against the palestinian guy.

Sad that the Palestinians MUST be searched for bombs as they want to move around. Truly a sad situation but they brought it on themselves. Hopefully as a new Palestinian leadership is elected, their security services can take over the job.....

Would you have liked it if someone was pointing a gun at you and told you to play the violin

No. I'd rather be eating at Sbarro when said guy blows himself up.


User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Sad that the Palestinians MUST be searched for bombs as they want to move around. Truly a sad situation but they brought it on themselves. Hopefully as a new Palestinian leadership is elected, their security services can take over the job.....

For fuck sake Rj.
This has nothing to do with bombs! This guy didn't even have a bomb. Where in the article did you see that? It's unbeliaveble that you actually accept this kind of behaviour.

I know some palestinans are some assholes. But not all of them. When will you get that? With your point of views on the palestinian people you probably never will.


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

Clearly you see all of the Jews as some other members of this forum see all of the Arabs. You fail to distinguish between different people and speak of Jews and not of Israelis - thus your post is anti-semitic and racist and I suggested deletion.

Well the boy needs to get out his jew hatred somehow. Welcome to the 21st Century.


User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Well the boy needs to get out his jew hatred somehow. Welcome to the 21st Century.

Do you know the guy?????? How the hell can you sit over in the US and tell us what he is thinking?? You are really pathetic. People like you are the reason that some palestinians don't like your ass.


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

This has nothing to do with bombs! This guy didn't even have a bomb. Where in the article did you see that? It's unbeliaveble that you actually accept this kind of behaviour.

Obviously this is the opinion of somebody who has NO CLUE what happened. WHY DO YOU THINK THE GUY WAS AT A CHECKPOINT BEING SEARCHED IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Nowhere did I say the soldiers were right. However, you and others are making a huge deal over nothing. We're talking about an Israeli soldier "humiliating" a Palestinian. Is that the worst thing that goes on in the Middle East? Where is YOUR sense of outrage at the evildoing of a good part of the Arab world. Where's the outrage over homosexuals being arrested in Egypt?

I know some palestinans are some assholes. But not all of them. When will you get that? With your point of views on the palestinian people you probably never will.

Uh huh. I'd rather a hundred Palestinians have to wait in line to be searched for explosives then for one to sneak through and blow themselves up on a bus. Sometimes I forget that the reason you and others are against Israel's harsh anti-terrorism policy is probably because you realize it's working and stopping suicide bombings.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

You do know that you sound like JeffM now right?

Sometimes, one has to be a little tongue-in-cheek, when guys like you are trying to make war criminals out of someone making someone play a violin, for Chrissake. I mean, listen to you! You make it sound like they put him against the wall and shot him in the nuts or something.

Maybe YOU should start sounding less like Indianguy, and not accuse someone who sees this for what it is-an anti-Jew witch hunt, and re-assess what YOUR beliefs are.

As Rjpieces says, no one is saying the soldiers are right, but this isn't really worth hauling these guys before the World Court is it? If you think it is, you have a few screws loose.


User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Nowhere did I say the soldiers were right. However, you and others are making a huge deal over nothing. We're talking about an Israeli soldier "humiliating" a Palestinian. Is that the worst thing that goes on in the Middle East? Where is YOUR sense of outrage at the evildoing of a good part of the Arab world. Where's the outrage over homosexuals being arrested in Egypt?

Uhhh. So I make a big deal out of nothing... I'll bet if it happened to a Jew you would be the first one writing about it.
And Yes I read what happened. He was searched. But that's all they should do. No reason for humiliate him.
But once again. You think it's ok because you are not better then them. And that is once again the reason for the Palestinian rage.

Do you know me personally?? No I don't think so. And thank god for that. I would be ashamed if I knew you. So you have no idea what pisses me off. I get pissed on the arabs that destroys it for the rest of their people. And if you took the time to read what I have been writing you would see my point of view.


Uh huh. I'd rather a hundred Palestinians have to wait in line to be searched for explosives then for one to sneak through and blow themselves up on a bus. Sometimes I forget that the reason you and others are against Israel's harsh anti-terrorism policy is probably because you realize it's working and stopping suicide bombings.

Once again.... I have nothing against the Israeli figting terrorism. That is a good thing. But for christ sake. They don't have to humiliate people!! Don't you get it or are you just that plain stupid??
And I hate those palestinians who blows them selves up. And once again: Not everybody does that. You just don't get it.


[Edited 2004-11-30 14:04:20]

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Perhaps he just likes listening to the violin playing. Perhaps the guy was a talented musician?


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Maybe YOU should start sounding less like Indianguy, and not accuse someone who sees this for what it is-an anti-Jew witch hunt, and re-assess what YOUR beliefs are.

Hmmmm............. Indianguy. Who is he again?
No really. What I'm saying is there was no reason for them to humiliate him like that. If the guy didn't want to play. Nobody has to force him.
And things like this really pisses the palestinians off. There is no reason for this when they are in a new phase with new leaders and so on.

And no I'm not an anti Jew. I even write with Jews from Israel in here who at least have some sence and not spew all this shit out like RJ does.


Sometimes, one has to be a little tongue-in-cheek, when guys like you are trying to make war criminals out of someone making someone play a violin, for Chrissake. I mean, listen to you! You make it sound like they put him against the wall and shot him in the nuts or something.

Once again: Read what I wrote in the start of the post. I don't see them as war criminals. I see them as an obstruction to peace in the Middle East. And people like them are the reason the Palestinians don't like them.




[Edited 2004-11-30 14:04:02]

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

"I see them as an obstruction to peace in the Middle East. And people like them are the reason the Palestinians don't like them"

Now replace Palestinians with Israeli's  Big grin It's a circle of hatred  Insane



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

I see them as an obstruction to peace in the Middle East.

The obstructions to peace are the Arabs carrying the bombs around their waists, not an Israeli making a guy play a freaking violin. Again, you need to reasses your views of what "obstruction" is. You sound like the Palestinians-looking for something to get pissed about. That's more of an obstruction than this.


User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

The obstructions to peace are the Arabs carrying the bombs around their waists, not an Israeli making a guy play a freaking violin. Again, you need to reasses your views of what "obstruction" is. You sound like the Palestinians-looking for something to get pissed about. That's more of an obstruction than this.

Yes. They are a big part of the obstruction as well unfortunatly. And I have always said that.
But that doesn't give Israeli soldiers to do what they want does it? ´Both of them simply has to stop. Israel has to stop provokating the Palestinians and the Palestinians need to stop their damn suicide bombings.

You get my point now? Throwing dirt back doesn't do anybody any good.


Now replace Palestinians with Israeli's It's a circle of hatred

Damnit Kirkie. You know what I mean  Big grin
And yes. It is a circle of hatred unfortunatly. And I only hope that Sharon and the new Palestinian president is mature enough and puts an ending on all this.





[Edited 2004-11-30 14:23:44]

User currently offlineQantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5853 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

obviously some of you like RJ and Falcon are to stupid to see the signifigance of this terrible action, it's the exact same thing that the nazi's used to do to the Jews when they were being marched off to the gas chamber, hence the outrage from Israeli's. they used to make Jews play the violins at the checkpoints close to the gas chambers, these idiot soldiers showed total disrespect for the victims of the holocaust in there humiliation of this man, now you start to understand a little of why the Jews are not well liked.

that's not a swipe at all Jewish people, but those actions don't set a positive example in a already deadly situation.

the obstacle to peace is in your opinion the person with a bomb around his waist, unfortunately thats a one sided view, if you ask an arab they will tell you it's the illegal settlements. your POV is worthless, you've not lost your land, nor been the victim of a suicide bombing, nor do you live in the region, so you can't appreciate what the situation is really like on the ground, your talking from what your tit fed from the media.



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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

RJ,
What do you think about the pumping of bullets into the 13 year old? And the other situation with the corpses? I'd love to hear your views.

Sad that the Palestinians MUST be searched for bombs as they want to move around. Truly a sad situation but they brought it on themselves. Hopefully as a new Palestinian leadership is elected, their security services can take over the job.....

RJ, unless a new revelation has been made that the better music you play the more are the chances of you blow yourself up, go shove that statement up your ass.

No. I'd rather be eating at Sbarro when said guy blows himself up.

When said guy blows himself up? Care to give us a translation?

Obviously this is the opinion of somebody who has NO CLUE what happened. WHY DO YOU THINK THE GUY WAS AT A CHECKPOINT BEING SEARCHED IN THE FIRST PLACE?

BECAUSE ISRAEL LOVES TO MAKE PALESTINIAN LIFE HELL IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.

We're talking about an Israeli soldier "humiliating" a Palestinian.

Which has happened hundreds of times already, except its usually not publicised.

Is that the worst thing that goes on in the Middle East?

Well the other thing is being done by YOUR countrymen.

Where is YOUR sense of outrage at the evildoing of a good part of the Arab world. Where's the outrage over homosexuals being arrested in Egypt?

Lets use a quote you guys love to use. "Dont like it, move to Russia." This is being done by the EGYPTIAN gov't to the EGYPTIAN people in their country, on their land. This, on the other hand is being done by ISRAELI soldiers to PALESTINIAN people on PALESTINIAN land. See the difference?

Uh huh. I'd rather a hundred Palestinians have to wait in line to be searched for explosives then for one to sneak through and blow themselves up on a bus.

And this sort of thing motivates those hundred Palestinians to hate Israel.

Sometimes I forget that the reason you and others are against Israel's harsh anti-terrorism policy is probably because you realize it's working and stopping suicide bombings.

Excuse me? Tell me how the event above helps stop this then.

Falcon,
As Rjpieces says, no one is saying the soldiers are right, but this isn't really worth hauling these guys before the World Court is it? If you think it is, you have a few screws loose.

I think its disgusting, but it should definatley not be treated with more attention than the other two crimes, and many others like them. But, what I found disgusting was that it was the same thing that the Nazis did when they were exterminating the Jews...

The obstructions to peace are the Arabs carrying the bombs around their waists, not an Israeli making a guy play a freaking violin.

Falcon, how long haven't there been any suicide bombings? And don't you think, maybe, JUST maybe, the wrecking of homes, landgrabbing, killing of civilians, checkpoints everywhere, humiliation, and the sort of shit that examples were givin of in the article might have something to do with it? What about the illegal settlements, which are on Palestinian land and result in checkpoints every five freaking meters? Dont give me this shit about suicide bombers, this has been going on for over 20 years. Or maybe, the Palestinians dont particuallarly like this fun thing they call "occupation", which, along with it, comes oppression. Typical American response, where you see one side but completley ignore the other.

You sound like the Palestinians-looking for something to get pissed about.

Looking for something to get pissed of about? I wish you could be the resident of Gaza for just one week, then i'll see what will come instead of that response. 1,700 dead civilians, and within them 565 children isnt a reason to get pissed off? Landgrabbing? Destruction of homes? etc?

OYRJA,
And yes. It is a circle of hatred unfortunatly. And I only hope that Sharon and the new Palestinian president is mature enough and puts an ending on all this.

As in Ariel Sharon? The same man with enough Arab blood on his hands to fill an ocean? All I can say is that I hope he isnt lucky enough to die like Arafat did, but instead like one of his victims.

Qantas,
the obstacle to peace is in your opinion the person with a bomb around his waist, unfortunately thats a one sided view, if you ask an arab they will tell you it's the illegal settlements. your POV is worthless, you've not lost your land, nor been the victim of a suicide bombing, nor do you live in the region, so you can't appreciate what the situation is really like on the ground, your talking from what your tit fed from the media.

RJ, who is self appointed American spokesman for Israel, seems to think he can understand us (the Palestinians) and can tell us the whole problem. Then dear old Falcon seems to think that the whole problem is because of a group of suicide bombers, and seems to think that poor Israel does nothing at all. No brainwashing, eh?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

obviously some of you like RJ and Falcon are to stupid to see the signifigance of this terrible action...

SIGNIFICANCE? Hello! The guy was made to play a violin! We don't hear jack from the Arab world, the Palestinians and their hangers on on this board and around the world whenever there's a suicide bombing or attack, and you want me to admit this is SIGNIFICANT? ROTFL. I'm not as gullible as you are, I guess.

SIGNIFICANT is when a 5-year old is shot and killed by the IDF, or when another Palestinian goes In Search of 72 virgins, by blowing themselves and as many Jews as they can to Kingdom Come. This isn't SIGNIFICANT. This is those who excuse Palestinian behaivor making a moutain out of a molehill.

God, this is unbelievable.

..but those actions don't set a positive example in a already deadly situation.

Boo hoo. It is NOTHING.

Falcon, how long haven't there been any suicide bombings? And don't you think, maybe, JUST maybe, the wrecking of homes, landgrabbing, killing of civilians, checkpoints everywhere, humiliation, and the sort of shit that examples were givin of in the article might have something to do with it?

You can try to justify terrorism all you want. I don't buy it. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. And, to me, that's more disgusting than the act itself.

Again, nary a peep when someone is blown up, but the protesting and screaming over this even is just mind-boggling. It shows how beholden some people are to a group of people who use terror and death as their statement for existence.


User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Falcon,
SIGNIFICANCE? Hello! The guy was made to play a violin! We don't hear jack from the Arab world, the Palestinians and their hangers on on this board and around the world whenever there's a suicide bombing or attack, and you want me to admit this is SIGNIFICANT? ROTFL. I'm not as gullible as you are, I guess.

And we dont hear jack from you Americans or Israel when there is an operation in which Palestinian civlians are killed in high numbers and illegal things such as the destruction of houses takes place. Why is this? If, after the kind of treatment Palestinians get you expect them to go apologise and start fund raisers by selling cookies, you are a very naive person.

SIGNIFICANT is when a 5-year old is shot and killed by the IDF, or when another Palestinian goes In Search of 72 virgins, by blowing themselves and as many Jews as they can to Kingdom Come. This isn't SIGNIFICANT. This is those who excuse Palestinian behaivor making a moutain out of a molehill.

So you think those Palestinians are just out there to find there 72 virgins? Justifying the reason and saying it is correct is very different from understanding it, but so long as the same shit goes on and you guys dont even say a peep, dont expect us to give you any apologies.

You can try to justify terrorism all you want. I don't buy it. You're making a mountain out of a molehill. And, to me, that's more disgusting than the act itself.

And you can also justify Israel's terrorism all you want. I am not justifying it by explaining why it goes on. If an explenation is more disgusting to you than the act itself I am sorry you misunderstood me.

Again, nary a peep when someone is blown up, but the protesting and screaming over this even is just mind-boggling. It shows how beholden some people are to a group of people who use terror and death as their statement for existence.

So where is freedom loving, rights promoting Americas voice of anger when Israel commits something? You haven't even said a peep about the death of the 13 year old girl, do you consider her inferior to you and see no need to apologise? Cut the crap Falcon, it goes both ways, when you dont do shit for us and dont care when something happens to us, dont expect us to care when something happens to you or for us to apologise to you. Wake up, get out of the little fantasy world you live in, and maybe then you will understand the motives of people better. Also, do you really think we will apologise to the people who have forced us to resort to such things?


User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

"...it's the exact same thing that the nazi's used to do to the Jews when they were being marched off to the gas chamber,..."

Holy shit...I didn't see that in the article. How long have the Israelis been marching Palestininans off to the gas chamber? Jesus, how long of a walk is it?

Seriously its a violin, and I don't even know where to start with QR332's post.

84 is right on this one.



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

"...when you dont do shit for us and dont care when something happens to us, dont expect us to care when something happens to you or for us to apologise to you. Wake up, get out of the little fantasy world you live in, and maybe then you will understand the motives of people better. Also, do you really think we will apologise to the people who have forced us to resort to such things?"

So wait...you are Palestinian...and you kill people? Because you sure use "us" alot.






Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

84 is right on this one

Why is that? Because he think it's ok for anyone to threat another person with a gun and forcing him to play the violin??
Riiight... And that comes from one of the biggest anti gun people on this board.




25 Falcon84 : And we dont hear jack from you Americans or Israel when there is an operation in which Palestinian civlians are killed in high numbers and illegal thi
26 OYRJA : Then you have selective memory, because such things have been condemened on this board more than once. But we never hear a peep of how horrible it, fr
27 Jamesag96 : From the story: "The violinist, Wissam Tayem, was on his way to a music lesson near Nablus when he said an Israeli officer ordered him to "play someth
28 Rjpieces : Because he think it's ok for anyone to threat another person with a gun and forcing him to play the violin?? Wow, you seem to have an issue getting o
29 Jamesag96 : "I'm sure Ariel Sharon isn't too busy having affairs with teenage boys and contracting HIV." EW.
30 Rjpieces : EW. Heh. It is quite the scary thought.
31 OYRJA : Wow, you seem to have an issue getting over the violin part. The person was trying to get through a military checkpoint with a violin case (that could
32 OYRJA : "I'm sure Ariel Sharon isn't too busy having affairs with teenage boys and contracting HIV." Do you have any proofs on this? Or is it just fantasy aga
33 Jamesag96 : I think he is referring to someone else.
34 Logan22L : I think the uproar here is more based on the Israeli armys edict to be perceived as taking the high road. Certainly the humiliation of being forced to
35 Falcon84 : Certainly the humiliation of being forced to play a violin at gunpoint.. Well, he brought the violin case to a military checkpoint, and that's why he
36 Post contains images JGPH1A : I think it's only a war crime if they force you to play the accordion. (Lighten up folks ! )
37 Logan22L : Falcon: I too see this as being totally blown out of proportion; however, I was trying to offer what I think the Israeli people and possibly Jewish pe
38 Post contains images Cedarwings : Wissam Tayem Today: Wladyslaw Szpilman Yesterday: (The Pianist) History never keeps repeating itself.[Edited 2004-11-30 18:44:12]
39 Jamesag96 : Logan please take note. As far as we know a gun was not pointed at him in an effort to make him play the violin. Also, the Jews are pissed not because
40 Jaysit : The most disturbing thing is that the Israeli right wing was more incensed at this violin incident than it was at images of a 13 year old child being
41 QR332 : Jamesag96, So wait...you are Palestinian...and you kill people? Because you sure use "us" alot. Nice smartass comment there. How about answering to so
42 Logan22L : Jamesag96: Thanks for the correction. I was guilty of reading the posts more closely than the story itself. As for actions on both sides of this confl
43 Peterpuck : Too bad the international community can't simply seize all Israeli and Palestinian lands. Then create a new country called Isrealistine with an intern
44 Rjpieces : Too bad the international community can't simply seize all Israeli and Palestinian lands. Then create a new country called Isrealistine with an intern
45 QR332 : They tried to do something similar in 1948. The Arabs rejected it. Instead we wound up with ONE country where rules and law apply equally to Jews, Chr
46 Qantas077 : "Maybe I'll start another thread on this later, but there is quite a lot of evidence that points to Arafat having died of AIDS". is that a fact? or ju
47 Vafi88 : BECAUSE ISRAEL LOVES TO MAKE PALESTINIAN LIFE HELL IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE. Or... A more logical and coherent theory would be that it's BECAUSE THE PALEST
48 Damirc : Of course the soldiers were cleared of all guilt. Guess the man must be happy they are not prosecuting him for "playing by his own will" (now think lo
49 Post contains images BA : QR332, I am 62.5% and 37.5% . I have a psychology test to study for tonight, so I will have to miss out on all the fun in this thread for tonight. How
50 LY7E7 : Starting the quotes war again BA? First provide the whole context and the origin of the quote, will you? Just like I do: "the surviving Jews would be
51 Post contains links Rjpieces : http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=7&clr=1&docid=35786.EN This morning, November 30, 2004, an investigation was conducted by the head
52 QR332 : Wow. IDF.il. Nope, no bias there! I am sure they would release the truth, and the truth only, right RJ?
53 Rjpieces : Wow. IDF.il. Nope, no bias there! I am sure they would release the truth, and the truth only, right RJ? I trust them more than Al Jazeera. I would wag
54 Post contains links LY7E7 : QR, IDF site maybe biased , but at least they don't go into complete falsification like their Iranian counterparts for example. This is a link to a mo
55 Cedarwings : QR332, Rj forgot to add that the Israeli soldiers tipped the poor Palestinian Vivaldi at the end. Actually, it looks like the Palestinians are very ha
56 Post contains links Tbar220 : Another source http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=10&u=/ap/20041201/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_roadblock The man apparently sta
57 MaverickM11 : Where on earth did they acquire a violin?
58 Post contains links Cedarwings : Maverick, I was really amazed while trying to find an adequate answer to your question that the violins were known to the Arabs, Turks and other Orien
59 MaverickM11 : I was really referring to why on earth did Israeli soldiers just happen to have a violin hanging aroudn.
60 Rjpieces : I was really referring to why on earth did Israeli soldiers just happen to have a violin hanging aroudn. They didn't. The Palestinian was on his way t
61 MaverickM11 : "They didn't. The Palestinian was on his way to a music lesson and the IDF thought it might be a bomb, so they asked him to take it out of the case. "
62 Rjpieces : So what is everyone yammering about? They made you turn on your laptop at security checkpoints for the longest time... The Palestinians are upset beca
63 Tbar220 : Instead of complaining about these roadblocks, the Palestinians should do something about the terrorists who brought about these roadblocks. If there
64 Jarek : Tbar220, 1. Don't you think you statement is valid in a way for both sites? 2. He didn't have his violin checked...he was made to play it Regards Jare
65 Post contains images Techrep : Funny, this thread went from Israeli-Nazi-goose-stepping-out of control-soldiers to completely fizzling out once the real story was told. TechRep
66 Jarek : I think I missed that. So what is the real story? Regards Jarek
67 Post contains links Techrep : Another source http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=10&u=/ap/20041201/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_roadblock The man apparently sta
68 Jarek : Hm, are you reading what I am reading? Wissam Tayem, 28, told the Associated Press Tuesday that the soldiers not only made him play, they also "told m
69 QR332 : RJPieces, I trust them more than Al Jazeera. I would wager that most Americans feel the same way. I think its more than just a drop to the head that h
70 Rjpieces : The "real story" has not been told because the IDF says that they didn't do it. Yahoo's article simply recites what the IDF has claimed, which is that
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