TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52 Posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1517 times:
Prince Bernhard, father of Queen Beatrix, has died at 93. Evidently, he was really popular with the Dutch, which I find surprising since he was German.
So, the Queen of the Netherlands is half German?? How do the Dutch feel about that? I know the British royal family is of German origin, but those roots go back several generations. Given the Dutch's dislike for Germans, I would think a first generation German royal would be frowned upon. But what do I know... I'm just an envious American .
RobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4519 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1490 times:
Queen Beatrix' late husband, the much loved and respected Prince Claus, was also a German. Prince Willem-Alexander, heir to the Dutch throne is therefore three-quarters German. His wife, Princess Máxima is Argentinian. Their daughter, the second-in-line-to-the-Dutch-throne Princess Amalia (born 7 December 2003) is therefore half Argentinian, 37½% German and only 12½% Dutch (?) .... complicated!
The British Royals' German blood was very much diluted by the late Queen Elizabeth (Queen Mother), and by Diana Princess of Wales.
Iakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3310 posts, RR: 36 Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1477 times:
Indeed, the Germans (generic) were very busy producing elegant and übermost intelligent would-be Kings (fewer Queens) during the 18th century.
They understood at an early stage that they did not have the shadow of a chance to crush the French, not even the English.
So they came with a very long term plan to enter from the back-door and dot our thrones with their own products.
England, the Netherlands, Belgium, Bulgaria, Greece Royal positions were filled with Saxe-Coburg Gotha and the likes, with the result that there is German (generic) blood in all Royal families in Europe,....except France.
More seriously, yes, HH Pr Bernhard was highly respected in the NL.
His origin plays absolutely no role once he took the responsibility.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4210 posts, RR: 36 Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1464 times:
Actually the foreign mixing goes back forever... way before Bernhard. The father of Queen Juliana (1909-2004), Prince Hendrik, was German as well, as well as the mother of the earlier Queen Wilhelminia (1880-1962) Queen Emma etc etc. So following Roberts calculations Amalia might end up being less then 1% dutch. Nobody really cares here! In royalty it has been intentional princes and princesses marry 'foreigners', as people on a royal level (like viscounts, earls and how those people are called) there are just too few locals available. I will be flamed for this but while UK citizens are much more "xenophobic" and seem to keep distance themselves from the rest of Europe then Holland, I never heared them make an issue that Elizabeths husband, Philip, is a Greek, a country culturally further away from England then Germany from the Netherlands.
The German husbands of our (former) Queens were more judged by their actions. Prince Bernhard who now died married Juliana in 1937, before the II WW, and fought with the allieds. Prince Claus was much more controversial when he married Beatrix in 1966, because this was only 21 years after the II WW and then Dutch didn't like Germans, but Claus stole the heart (much more then Bernhard actually) by distancing himself from anything military and having "liberal" ideas and deeds connected to devopment and human rights, not resembling in anything the cliches we then still had about Germans (right wing, agressive, formalistic, humorless, bratwurst-beer-lederhosen). It was never a problem for instance Maxima, the wife of the next king Willem Alexander, is from Argentina, the critisizm only focussed on the track record of her father in the former military regime of Argentina.
[Edited 2004-12-02 00:48:04]
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Iakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3310 posts, RR: 36 Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1445 times:
a rectification is due, Philip Mountbatten is not Greek, except by citizenship before he became English. He is 1/2 Danish, 1/2 German (Battenberg).
Might sound strange but there is not a single drop of Greek blood in the (former and present) Greek Royal family.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21346 posts, RR: 54 Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1444 times:
We europeans are pretty "mixed up" anyway - not just the royals. The idea of "purity" along national borders has never been realistic. And as mentioned above, the gene pool of the royals is dangerously small anyway, so the need for expansion is imperative.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4210 posts, RR: 36 Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1428 times:
TWFirst > Actually the Dutch heir was EXCLUDED from the right to marry someone of the same sex. Well actually they can marry someone of the same sex, but the Dutch parliament will then not recognize the couple as heir to the throne anymore, as they want the heir to reproduce (and not cause controversy). This year the 2nd son of the Queen, Friso, has his marriage been refushed "recognition" by the parliament. He still married but can't be king anymore even if the Queen, his elder brother and (future) children die. This was not because it was a same sex marriage (although many believed Friso was gay) but because his girlfriend used to date top criminals.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Jasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 42 Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1424 times:
Since same-sex marriage is legal in the Netherlands, could the Dutch monarch marry someone of the same sex?
Hmmm... Not that I'm an expert or anything, but I would guess that people in line to the throne might be precluded from this because of the need to produce an heir. Also, the sovereign's role within the church (if there is an established shurch and if the sovereign had a role - maybe some of our Dutch friends can clarify) might have something to do with it.
Schoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 27 Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1419 times:
"Since same-sex marriage is legal in the Netherlands, could the Dutch monarch marry someone of the same sex?"
Actually, some years ago there were strong rumours that Prince Constantijn, Prince Willem Alexander's younger brother, was gay. If this would have been true, theoratically it would have been possible that Holland one day would have had a gay king (a real queen).
Anyhow, Prince Constantijn rapidly got married to proof sort of that he was hetero, IMO. Judge by yourself looking at his wife. What hetero would ever want to marry that!?
Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 33 Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1361 times:
Schoenorama: Imagine taking away that more than just ridiculous hat ...and the rest rest, too, while you're at it, then I think it gets a lot less problematic
Oh and no! I don't think our Klaus is THAT Klaus!!
TWFirst: Yes I'm sure the Dutch would just love to have an immigrant drag queen on the throne...so do I as a matter of fact, given the ridiculous hats and dresses the Dutch queen usually wears (Sorry, dear Dutch, but you know, it's true, even my Dutch colleagues fully agree)...it couldn't get worse
As for topic here: Bernhard was a member of the NSDAP until he married Juliana in 1937. The Dutch obviously forgave him his Nazi past since he organised Dutch resistance from his London exile. After the war he was busy re-building the Dutch economy, he was member of several executive boards, but gave up when he was entangled in the Lockheed corruption affair. Since then he did some environmental work...and as we hear today, was indeed *gasp* well liked by the Dutch.