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Old Enough For Combat, Too Young To Drink.  
User currently offlineThecoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

I'm talking about the age of enlistment required in the armed forces (18) vs. the legal age to drink (21).

wtf?

Will someone please explain this to me.

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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1445 times:

There are still many millions of idiotic Americans that feel that alcohol is sinful and should be prohibited, or that beer can destroy a teenager's life. Never mind the basic falacy of the argument, but they don't even make the difference between beer and hard booze.

The drinking age should be set in accordance to the age you can get a driving license. As people naturally tend to binge-drink as soon as they can, but tend to grow out of that habit after a year or so, when they've "learned" to drink, The driving age should be set 2 years after the drinking age.

Charles


User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1443 times:

I'm a non-drinker and am very anti-alcohol (Bad family experiences) however I think the drinking age should be dropped to 18. I have a real issue with being able to serve your country but not being able to drink.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1435 times:

in WW1 France, you could be old enough to die (17), but to young to vote (21).

I considef it even worse.

However, there was no such thing as a "legal drinking age" Big grin

Cheers,

707


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1432 times:

Who says you can't drink when you're 18 anyway Big grin

User currently offlineNWA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1389 times:

Federal law is 18. The States have it set at 21. If you are on a military base, and under 18, I believe you can drink. DLKAPA, I agree, but its annoying when you have to make calls.


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User currently offlineSJUboeingGirl From Puerto Rico, joined Nov 2004, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1384 times:

That's just in some states because here in PR you can enlist @ 18 and drink legally @ 18 Big grin


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

When I was 18 I asked the same questions.

Now I realize that alcohol is far more dangerous to an 18 year-old than military service is.




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User currently offlineBoeingnut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

the 21 year old rule isn't federal "law", but it says if a state doesn't set its own law to make the legal age 21, they will withold all federal highway monies.

So the feds don't explicitly require it, but you can be darned sure no state will go below 21 with that much money on the line


User currently offlineBernard Shakey From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 560 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

If you are 18-20 are you are active duty military, you should be able to drink. When I was stationed in SAN, you could drink on the base if you were 18-20, this was an attempt to keep 18-20 year olds from going to Tijuana. If you are merely 18-20 and using the "old enough to die, but too young to drink" complaint while you are off at college, then go enlist. Otherwise, order another Shirley Temple.


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User currently offlineJcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 997 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Maybe the rule should be changed to:

If you're 18 and in the military you can drink.

Don't give me the "old enough to fight, old enough to drink" bullshit, since half of you out there would try to get out of a draft quicker than a mouse being chased by a cat.

Now, back to the issue at hand, I agree. The alcohol age should be lowered. People do it anyway, and because it's illegal to do it under 21, I think a lot binge on it or do it more than they would if it was legal, which leads to bad decisions.

As for the military base thing. I'm pretty sure it all depends on the Wing Commander. Generally, at most bases the age is 21. But at certain bases, like ones close to Mexico, they've lowered the drinking age on base to prevent people from going to Mexico and getting trashed and getting in trouble down there.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1319 times:

Actually, many states lowered the drinking age to 18 during the late 60s and early 70s in response to the argument of 18-20 year olds being old enough to fight in Vietnam but not old enough to drink or vote. Side note: the 26th Amendment to the Constitution lowered the voting age to 18.

Actually what prompted states to raise their drinking ages again in the late '70s and early '80s was actually due to the rash of drunk driving accidents involving teenagers that took place during that time. To add insult to injury, many states in the '70s still had very lenient drunk driving laws.

The Feds mandating that states raise their ages to 21 was in response to people border-hopping to legally purchase and drink alcohol and then drinking and driving on the way home.




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User currently offlineCoRocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

I think it is a silly argument. One does not have anything to do with the other.

User currently offlineBhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

I thought it sucked when I was in the Army, when I was on post I could drink in the EM club at 18, but when I went home on leave to WA State I was screwed. I think the drinking age should be the same as the voting age. Kinda odd that a person who cannot legally drink can vote on laws that might have impact on liquor laws...

Cheers,



Carpe Pices
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

Here's an idea - Anyone with a valid military ID is exempt from any drinking age laws. Let it be a little nod of respect to those in uniform that they most likely are a bit more mature than the average 19 year old.

Of course, any misuse of that privilege would mean military discipline...

Charles


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1230 times:

I spent 24 years in the US Army . . . this bullsh!t change in the drinking age came about 15 years ago. The military changed the drinking age on their installations to match the local state drinking ages.

I think it's pure bull . . . if you can go in to combat and risk your life, you damn sure should be able to slam back a shot of JD or whatever serves your fancy.

I'll tell you this - never, even after I put the "heavy hardware" on my collar, did I ever refuse a drink to a soldier.


User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1194 times:
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The rule in the various states should be amended to allow any military personnel the right to legally drink....it should also be enacted that all military personnel are given one free pass from the local constabulary when they are caught in a local den of iniquity.


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User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

I too think it should be 18. Just about everything else in the US is 18 and up.

I think Louisiana has been the state pushing hardest to get the age down to 18, but they just get threatened with losing the highway money.



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User currently offlineORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

I think Louisiana has been the state pushing hardest to get the age down to 18, but they just get threatened with losing the highway money.
Yea, I can understand their desire to get the age lowered...New Orleans is a mecca for college students, not only at mardi gras time but throughout the year.
The talk about how highway funding was connected a state's drinking age got me thinking...I wonder if the extra revenue that a state like Louisiana would get from lowering the drinking age to 18 would offset the highway funding that they would lose. Putting aside all political correctness issues about being the only state to lower their drinking age, I think a state like Louisiana (with New Orleans) or Nevada (with Vegas) would make a ton of revenue if they lowered their drinking age to 18 to entice younger people to visit more.
A lot of friends that I know who go to school in Michigan make regular trips to Windsor Canada since the age is 19 there...I'm not sure if it really does anything major to help Windsor's economy that they get a lot of midwest college students visiting, but it must be something.


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