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Same-Sex Marriage In Canada Come Thursday  
User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

The Supreme Court of Canada is releasing their 'opinion' on the constitutionality of same-sex marriage on Thursday. It appears that the court is expected to approve or support affording marriage to same-sex couples. The Justice Minister also said today that if the court approves the reference then legislation could be tabled in the House of Commons as soon as January (after the Holiday recess) to put it into law.

Some interesting links for further information:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/samesexrights/beforethecourt.html
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/December2004/07/c2284.hhttp
http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041206/CPN/15984017
http://www.cfra.com/headlines/index.asp?cat=2&nid=22428

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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Yet another reason why it's laughable when the U.S. claims to be the world's beacon for "freedom" and "equality"... the U.S. would do well to learn some things from it's neighbor.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

Here, Here TWAFirst, very well said.



User currently onlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

"Yet another reason why it's laughable when the U.S. claims to be the world's beacon for "freedom" and "equality"... the U.S. would do well to learn some things from it's neighbor. "


I'll agree with that....




CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

"Bring us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free . . ."

...except the gays. You're not welcomed here, and we don't want you.

Signed,

George W. Bush and Conservative America


User currently offlineNancy From United States of America, joined May 2004, 467 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

I heard that wedding consultants, caterers d.j.s etc were all looking forward to economic rewards of this. Good time to be wedding planner up north!

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

We have that thread going on about "liberals" moving to Canada. I wouldn't just for my political view, but if I were a gay in the U.S., with the amount of disdain towards them right now, I'd leave the U.S. in a heartbeat for Canada. At least I could live out the dream of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" without prudish religious lunatics or the government worried if I got married or not.

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

>>We have that thread going on about "liberals" moving to Canada. I wouldn't just for my political view, but if I were a gay in the U.S., with the amount of disdain towards them right now, I'd leave the U.S. in a heartbeat for Canada. At least I could live out the dream of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" without prudish religious lunatics or the government worried if I got married or not.<<


Well Falcon.. I have SERIOUSLY considered it... still am to an extent.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

"Yet another reason why it's laughable when the U.S. claims to be the world's beacon for "freedom" and "equality"..."

1. Last time I checked, freedom means (at least in part) that the people have the ability to DECIDE what they wish to deem legal or illegal within the society. While I do not support a ban on gay marriage, I fully respect the fact that the predominant anit-gay marriage sentiment is a clear expression of the free will of the people.

2. In order to make an equality argument, sexual orientation would have to be designated as a protected status under the law - at the federal level, that is not the case at present, meaning that any equal protection/rights arguments must necessarily fail.



Live life to the fullest.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Last time I checked, freedom means (at least in part) that the people have the ability to DECIDE what they wish to deem legal or illegal within the society.

True.
However, there is that pesky Constitution that trumps many majority decisions.
In any case, I have no problem with referendums that show the mood of the electorate. But one would think that politicians - irrespective of how they feel about this issue - would call a time-out so that Americans can spend the next few years having a reasonable dialogue as to a. whether the institution of marriage is really protected by banning gay marriages; b. how viable gay legal unions, be they marriage or civil unions, can be created in the US while understanding the objections some have to gay marriage. Also, this would allow the judiciary to come to some consensus and/or allow the Supreme Court to weigh in. However, our legislators want to halt any dialogue whatsoever by treating the Constitution like a piece of toilet paper. Amend it against gays, amend it for Arnold.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Avek00:

Last time I checked, freedom and equality means freedom and equality for ALL... not just for the majority. If that were the case, we'd probably still have segregation based on race in this country.

Actually, gays don't have to be a protected class to obtain marriage equality. It's a simple case of gender discrimination, and obviously you must know that discrimination based on gender is already illegal. Name one other legal covenant that two adult non-related people can enter into where the parties entering into it are restricted to the opposite sex.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

1. Last time I checked, freedom means (at least in part) that the people have the ability to DECIDE what they wish to deem legal or illegal within the society.

It doesn't.

Freedom means the will of the majority should never be enforced inviolate of the rights of the minority.

If you and I have to agree on it, its not freedom, is it?

N


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3119 times:

I just noticed a grammatical error in my previous post (apologies)... the sentence should read:

Last time I checked, freedom and equality means freedom and equality for ALL... not just for the majority. If that WEREN'T the case, we'd probably still have segregation based on race in this country.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

The Canadian legislation is elegant and respectful of all.

It states that the right of marriage is fundamental.

It also respects the rights of those whose religious views would prevent them from performing a same-sex union.

I congratulate the Canadian government and the Canadian people.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Wonder where all those gay-bashers are? They've been pretty quiet.  Smile

User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

FYI here is a copy of the draft bill that is in front of the court...

From the Department of Justice

Proposal for an Act respecting certain aspects of legal capacity for marriage for civil purposes.

WHEREAS marriage is a fundamental institution in Canadian society and the Parliament of Canada has a responsibility to support that institution because it strengthens commitment in relationships and represents the foundation of family life for many Canadians;

WHEREAS, in order to reflect values of tolerance, respect and equality consistent with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, access to marriage for civil purposes should be extended to couples of the SAME-SEX;

AND WHEREAS everyone has the freedom of conscience and religion under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and officials of religious groups are free to refuse to perform marriages that are not in accordance with their religious beliefs;

NOW, THEREFORE, Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate and House of Commons of Canada, enacts as follows:

1. Marriage, for civil purposes, is the lawful union of two persons to the exclusion of all others.
2. Nothing in this Act affects the freedom of officials of religious groups to refuse to perform marriages that are not in accordance with their religious beliefs.

Consequential amendments will be added in the bill that is introduced in Parliament.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3383 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

First of all, banning gay marriage doesn't protect the sanctity of marriage. Banning or making divorce a dfficult process protects marriage and the United States has one of the highest divorce rates in the world.


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User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3055 times:
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Oh we're around Falcon. I just dont feel like having you instant message me about how I'm a homophobe, and blah blah blah.


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

So AirTran737 admits he's a gaybasher...




An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3035 times:
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That seems to be what you all call me because I dont agree w/the gay lifestyle, and because of my conservative values. Call me what you want, you're entitled to your opinion as well as I am entitled to mine.


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User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

As an avid supporter of Gay/civil rights everywhere, I truly hope this comes to pass. The way I and others see it, this is a simple matter of human/civil rights, an issue of State, and should not come under the jurisdiction of the Church (Bud out!). As far as I see it (and many other straights) this issue should not even be open to debate or discussion. Oppression is oppression, no matter how you slice it.

I'm happily biased towards gays and lesbians, but it goes way beyond that. We have had several close gay/lesbian friends for years now, and many are in very stable, close-knit relationships - two couples have adopted children (one of them was the first gay couple in Ontario to be granted adoption rights). It would be wonderful to see these men and women have the CHOICE to exchange vows. Let's put an end to treating these fine people like sub-species, and let's all join the 21rst Century. Besides, ya gotta admit, a gay wedding would be FABulous...just think of the food! LOL.

None of us have any right to deny these people their right and desire to make their relationships 'official'. 'Steve and Mike' getting hitched does not affect yours or my life in any way, shape or form. On that note, none of us have any right to transpose our PERSONAL organized religious beliefs onto others or into the mainstream, especially when it inhibits freedom of rights in certain groupings. Get over it. Some have called gay marriage rights an insult to the institution of marriage? Give me a break. Straight couples have been destroying the sancitity of marriage for eons (infidelity- sky-high divorce rates), although that in itself should not be a determining/deciding factor in favour of gay marriages.

If this goes through (and I for one hope it does) then my sincere congratulations the to gay men and women of Canada. Hopefully, our country can provide a positive example for nations where gays are still discriminated against.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

>>Besides, ya gotta admit, a gay wedding would be FABulous...just think of the food! LOL.<<

The food's only the beginning... think of the decorations!! And the music!!!  Big grin I will have the best dance music at my reception if I ever choose to get married (although I probably won't dance to it).




>>and because of my conservative values<<

You mean your bigoted values??

I don't agree with your religious lifestyle... or your ability to marry some bimbo you don't even know yet be entitled to a bunch of legal benefits, but I'm not going to do anything to prevent you from leading that lifestyle if you want to.... why do you and your kind want to prevent me from living my life and getting the same benefits as you?



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

"The food's only the beginning... think of the decorations!! And the music!!! I will have the best dance music at my reception if I ever choose to get married (although I probably won't dance to it)."

LOL. Our great & hilarious next door neighbours are a gay couple who have been together for about 12 years. These guys have been licking their chops with delight as they are planning on getting married should this bill be passed. They already throw the absolutely best parties in our neighbourhood (yeah, great dance music!)....so I can only imagine what their wedding reception would be like. A lot of the women on our street are begging to be bridesmaids, as they KNOW these guys will spring for high-end designer dresses that can be worn after their wedding! LOL.



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

As an avid supporter of Gay/civil rights everywhere, I truly hope this comes to pass.

Me also. I fully support this.

I just wish the politicians had the balls to "rule" on this rather than an unelected and unaccountable Supreme Court. Who's running this country anyway? Our elected politicians or 9 old farts on warm legal benches?




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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Yyz717,

I definitely understand where you are coming from, however, at the same time I am tempted to say that when it comes down to it, it WILL be our politicians who rule on it. The Supreme Court (who are supposed to be experts on constitutional matters I presume) are simply giving their opinion on where same-sex marriage stands with respect to the Constitution Act, 1982 and in particular the Charter. As scared as they may be, come January when this gets tabled our politicians will have to have the balls to "rule" on it. Who knows, they may reject the courts opinion (although safe to say that would be political suicide no doubt). I guess the point I am trying to make is that the SCC is simply issuing a reference, an opinion which in the end really has no bearing. Good for reference? Yes. Enforceable? No.

The point of it being referred to the courts was to ensure that should it be challenged in the future the Bill can withstand any pressures from the courts who may try to overturn or overrule it. In this respect, I think the government is doing a good thing in getting the courts opinion and ultimately covering their own ass.

[Edited 2004-12-08 23:15:48]

25 Canadi>nBoy : Yes, it would be a rather refreshing (and shocking) change to see our politicians display some chutzpah, no? Well, I agree, but as long as SOMEBODY pa
26 Canadi>nBoy : "The Supreme Court (who are supposed to be experts on constitutional matters I presume) are simply giving their opinion on where same-sex marriage sta
27 Captoveur : In the US the gay marriage/civil union issue was on the ballot in many states. It failed in all of them. Why is this? It is not because George W. Bush
28 Canadi>nBoy : "It is because the people of the United States do not seem to want gay marriage/civil unions." Just like when many southern states did not want integr
29 Jaysit : In the US the gay marriage/civil union issue was on the ballot in many states. It failed in all of them. Why is this? In all the states the issue was
30 Post contains links SKYSERVICE_330 : Well, its official! This morning the Supreme Court of Canada ruled IN FAVOR of extending the right of marriage to same-sex couples. The Court was pres
31 Qb001 : Looking at what is going on in this matter south of our border, I have the feeling that the right to same-sex marriage, alongside with our healthcare
32 Gigneil : That seems to be what you all call me because I dont agree w/the gay lifestyle, and because of my conservative values. I don't see how you could "agre
33 Canadi>nBoy : 'Fourth question: Is the traditional definition of marriage between a man and a woman constitutional? - No answer- According to one analyst, by not an
34 ConcordeBoy : Agreed... far too long have bigots (of all types) hid under the the label of "conservative"; so much so that said words have almost become synonymous-
35 Jaysit : Agreed... far too long have bigots (of all types) hid under the the label of "conservative"; so much so that said words have almost become synonymous-
36 ConcordeBoy : Your party has become the natural breeding ground for a whole crop of bigots of every stripe. Perhaps so... ...course, you realize the same could be s
37 Jaysit : Works both ways bub. It doesn't. We're talking bigots here, not those who would prefer a nationalized medical insurance system, tax raisers, and the l
38 TWFirst : Looks like other U.S. allies (even those run by right-wing religious folks) are also waking up and realizing that gays are people too: Same-sex couple
39 Jasepl : So now we've got Canada, Spain, Britain, Ireland, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland, South Africa, New Zealand, Belgium, Finl
40 NWAFA : Hey AirTran, Why did you CHOOSE to be straight? Why do you CHOOSE to live such a vile lifestyle? I just think Straight people should have no rights in
41 Falcon84 : That seems to be what you all call me because I dont agree w/the gay lifestyle, and because of my conservative values. I didn't know conservative valu
42 NWAFA : Falcon, Very well said. In addition people like him think just because they put "Jesus" first in their life that they don't judge or hate people, but
43 Rjpieces : So now we've got Canada, Spain, Britain, Ireland, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland, South Africa, New Zealand, Belgium, Finl
44 Jasepl : Because, Reese, they're supposed to be part of the not-so-developed world and still do a better job - at least on paper - in many matters related to b
45 Btblue : I always thought America was a rather forward thinking country - until I heard about them banning same sex marriages. We all have opinions, we all hav
46 Falcon84 : I always thought America was a rather forward thinking country - until I heard about them banning same sex marriages. We always have been, until the l
47 Bushcheney2004 : That is extremely entertaining, Falcon84. Good job generalizing 51% of Americans.
48 Btblue : Falcon84 - that was really well put. Hat off to you.
49 Falcon84 : That is extremely entertaining, Falcon84. Good job generalizing 51% of Americans. BC04, since you're the one who equates gays with dogs, I feel pretty
50 Bushcheney2004 : Falcon84, but if I love my mother can we have a civil union together?
51 Falcon84 : BC04, are you REALLY that stupid? Your mother is related to you. Gay people are asking to have a marriage/union with someone not related to them, so y
52 Bushcheney2004 : Whats if I had a stepmother?
53 Falcon84 : BC04, stop proving my point about the dumbing down of America, and just try to figure it out on your own. I don't have time for your idiocies.
54 Bushcheney2004 : Stop with this "dumbing down of America" thing. If 51% of the people voted for Kerry you would not say that. I am sorry it did not go your way, but th
55 Jaysit : Falcon84, but if I love my mother can we have a civil union together? You cannot. A civil union is analogous to marriage in that it is a union of two
56 CoTXDFW777AA : "but that does not mean that we are stupid!" No your not stupid, you just like being represented by a dumb fuck. Gay marriage is only about legal priv
57 Bushcheney2004 : Can a boyfriend and girlfriend have a legal union?
58 CoTXDFW777AA : They could get married, or just live together long enough to get a commonlaw marriage. So no they couldnt because they have other options.
59 Bushcheney2004 : Exactly. So two gays are not married, and they are like boyfriend and girlfriend. Since I believe they should not be allowed to get married, I therefo
60 Jaysit : Can a boyfriend and girlfriend have a legal union? Some states, as well as some firms in the private sector, have extended civil union benefits to unm
61 Falcon84 : If 51% of the people voted for Kerry you would not say that. You are right. I think the 51% you're a part of made a stupid, idiotic decision, keeping
62 Bushcheney2004 : So 51% of people are extremists? Also, since when is George Bush for civil unions?
63 Jaysit : Also, since when is George Bush for civil unions? In an Oct. 24 interview with ABC correspondent Charlie Gibson, Bush claimed he disagreed with the Re
64 Jaysit : And still: White House officials have said that Bush would not have endorsed civil unions as the governor of Texas. In Oct. 2003, Bush issued a procla
65 N229NW : As a straight, married male I say kudos to Canada again. Airtran (and others who oppose gay marriage)"because of my conservative values": Here is some
66 SKYSERVICE_330 : Well said N229NW! Furthermore on the basis of ideology and "conservative values" one should be in favor of same-sex marriage. It promotes everything t
67 Bushcheney2004 : SKYSERVICE_330, with all due respect, don't forget AIDS.
68 Bushcheney2004 : BTW, there is no such thing as same sex marriage. That is an oximoron. According to dictionary.com marriage is The legal union of a man and woman as h
69 N229NW : Bushcheney, 1.) AIDS is spread by both homosexual and heterosexual intercourse. I hope you know that. Otherwise, that's pretty scary. 2.) Your use of
70 Jaysit : SKYSERVICE_330, with all due respect, don't forget AIDS. With all due respect, what does AIDs have to do with marriage? The overwhelming number of AID
71 Jaysit : BC2004: It should now have become apparent to you that many of your concerns and objections on gay marriage/unions are unwarranted and cannot be based
72 Jasepl : BTW, there is no such thing as same sex marriage. That is an oximoron. According to dictionary.com marriage is The legal union of a man and woman as h
73 Bushcheney2004 : I realize that AIDS does not just occur from gays, but I am sure we would all agree that if gay people got married the number of people with AIDS woul
74 Jaysit : And as per Jasepl's exemplary research, BC2004 has now learned two more invaluable lessons: 1. There is still a place in today's electronic world for
75 Falcon84 : SKYSERVICE_330, with all due respect, don't forget AIDS. With all due respect, what does AIDs have to do with marriage? Easy, it goes back to his bigo
76 Bushcheney2004 : Falcon84, open your eyes, and read my post above.
77 Jasepl : Some people are infected with AIDS by mistake, like using the same needle as with somebody who has AIDS. LOL! The poor (straight) junkies... needles j
78 Falcon84 : I read it. It was based on ignorant, bigoted stereotypes. You have absoutely nothing scientific to back up that stupid statement. You just hate gays,
79 Jasepl : Again, BC04, and the extremist ideology he believes in, is built on 1. Ignorance, 2. Hate, 3. A desire to hurt those who aren't like him. That's why h
80 L410Turbolet : I am sure we would all agree that if gay people got married the number of people with AIDS would increase. I'm sure we all would agree that that by "b
81 Jaysit : I realize that AIDS does not just occur from gays, but I am sure we would all agree that if gay people got married the number of people with AIDS woul
82 Falcon84 : Folks, take a good, hard look, because this is how a great portion of "red" American thinks, and that's what is scary. Again, redneck America, from th
83 SKYSERVICE_330 : "I am sure we would all agree that if gay people got married the number of people with AIDS would increase." Actually I don't think we would all agree
84 Bushcheney2004 : Why don't you stop this thing about me hating gay people. I know a lot of gay people, who I most certainly don't hate. Come on!
85 SKYSERVICE_330 : Ok, how bout you back up your statements first... "I am sure we would all agree that if gay people got married the number of people with AIDS would in
86 Falcon84 : Why don't you stop this thing about me hating gay people. I know a lot of gay people, who I most certainly don't hate. Come on! ROTFL. If you really k
87 Jasepl : LOL Falcon! If the kid knew people he wouldn't be so ignorant about AIDS.
88 Vneplus5 : Only last night you said, in another one of your characteristic threads: I realize my views are thought of as "extreme", but really they are not. Yes,
89 Jaysit : BC2004: I think that you are at least trying to understand. I say this because you have put to rest some of the original arguments you raised, and are
90 SKYSERVICE_330 : Waiting ... For your reference I think it is listed under "Hate" in the "How to be a Conservative guide book", although it may be cross listed with "I
91 Avek00 : While I have no personal objection to same-sex marriage, given the overwhelming public support for a ban on the practice, and the lack of compelling r
92 Gigneil : I realize that AIDS does not just occur from gays, but I am sure we would all agree that if gay people got married the number of people with AIDS woul
93 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : given the overwhelming public support for a ban on the practice, and the lack of compelling reasons to act in defiance of the public will, I fully exp
94 Lucky727 : "I am sure we would all agree that if gay people got married the number of people with AIDS would increase" ...excuse me while I pick my jaw up off th
95 NWAFA : Hey Bushcheney2004, By your name alone it shows that your a bigot also! AIDS is the fastest growing disease in the STRAIGHT population! The Straight p
96 Falcon84 : Sheesh, talk about out and out ignorance and bigotry! Well, both are hallmarks of conservative extremists, so does that surprise you?
97 NWAFA : Falcon, Not at all! people that describe themselves as conservatives are nothing more than bigots.
98 Falcon84 : NWAFA, I can't agree with that statement. There are quite a few people that are conservative on here that I don't consider bigots or haters: KROC, Jet
99 Gigneil : While I have no personal objection to same-sex marriage, given the overwhelming public support for a ban on the practice, and the lack of compelling r
100 Bravo7e7 : Falcon, I am not gone. I simply have a new username.
101 N229NW : Regarding conservatives and bigots, I'd love an answer from Airtran737 (or BC/Bravo7e7) about my points in reply #65...
102 Falcon84 : BC04, I figured as much. Now go tell us some more how yucky gays are, OK?
103 Vaman : I still think it is great how people think that the "sum of the wills" of people in the country is what our government is obligated to act on. If that
104 Post contains images JGPH1A : Wow, Bushcheney, that 189 IQ sure is helping you win this argument
105 Canadi>nBoy : You know, I'm reading some of these 'enlightened' posts, and I literally shake my head in wonder and disgust. I'm thinking of all the great, close gay
106 Canadi>nBoy : "When it comes down to it same-sex marriage isn't about marriage at all ... its about homosexuality." It's also all about blind ignorance, a distorted
107 Canadi>nBoy : For all those who advocate the Bible as being a relevant tool in the 21rst Century, could someone explain to me the significance and of the following
108 Canadi>nBoy : Speaking of equal rights in the human world, ah, let's all read the Bible for inspiration and guidance! Ephesians 5:22-24 - Wives, submit to your husb
109 Dvk : I just want to add my congratulations to Canada, and to other progressive nations that are making progress in this area of civil rights. Legal marriag
110 Marco : Canadianboy, Thanks for showing us your intolerance and your lack of understanding of a religion. You cannot take a few verses (out of context mind yo
111 JGPH1A : Re: Christianity is a peaceful religion. So is Islam. HOWEVER, some of the followers of each of these religions are nutjobs bent on imposing their war
112 Marco : So is Islam. Did I deny that? HOWEVER, some of the followers of each of these religions are nutjobs bent on imposing their warped, bigoted belief syst
113 Daedaeg : I for one am proud of that fact that the U.S. has decided to stay on the Right side of this issue and not follow our northern neighbors. We dont need
114 Post contains images TWFirst : Well YEE HAW Daedaeg... that's showin some pretty heavy duty thinkin there... YUP, let's make sure our tradition of hypocrisy continues... I mean afte
115 SKYSERVICE_330 : "...further bastardization of our values and traditions." ...and allowing 2 dudes to marry and confess their love to one another will do this how?? Pl
116 Post contains images TWFirst : "The King James version of the U.S. Constitution"... LOVE that Skyservice_330!! I've got to remember to use that...
117 ScarletHarlot : For goodness sake, will someone PLEASE explain to me just how allowing gay marriage is going to harm hetero marriage? Anybody? Hello? I just do not ge
118 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : people that describe themselves as conservatives are nothing more than bigots. ...one of the most ignorant (and just plain idiotic) statements on this
119 Gigneil : We dont need any further bastardization of our values and traditions. You would fit in well in Iran. You gonna start murdering people by the thousand
120 Seb146 : In relation to what Oregon and other states are going through right now, could someone please explain to me the difference between "marriage" and "civ
121 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I also don't understand how people can relate this issue to slavery. We (gays) have access to lawyers, money, and most freedoms whereas most slaves co
122 Jaysit : If every rump-ranger developed a dazzling and all-apparent neon pink aura at puberty, see how "equal" our rights would be then. ROFL !!!!! In any case
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