Flyboy1980 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2003, 253 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 795 times:
The Civil Union Bill, allowing both same sex couples and straight couples who do not wish to "marry" to legally register their relationship and instead have Civil Union ceremonies, has just passed into law.
Gay men and women and their relationships are now seen as equal to heterosexual men and women and their relationships.
A great day in the history of my nation - equal rights for all citizens!!
Flyboy1980 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2003, 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 775 times:
Well, we haven't legislated against same sex marriage.
But some Australian states have had Civil Registries for same sex couples for a few years. A point was made that if Tasmania can handle same sex Civil Registries than surely we can handle it in New Zealand?
Also, all bars and pubs must be smokefree inside from midnight tonight...only 34 minutes to go!!
Flyboy1980 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2003, 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 748 times:
Russophile - good point on Howard. I guess though that the alternative just wasn't that convincing.
As for Helen Clark, there's no proof she's a lesbian. She's been married for 20 or so years. Even if she was, she's been a fantastic PM and the public love her. She advocates equal rights for all New Zealanders.
One of the MPs here opposed to the bill has been on a 21 day fast to get God to stop the bill - one of the gay MPs pointed out that he couldn't recall any other minister fasting to draw attention to child poverty or abuse.
ZKJIM From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 69 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 739 times:
I wonder what Brian Tamaki and his Destiny Church will do now. I hope there isn't a repeat of that march they had in Wellington a couple of months ago. I think they let themselves down somewhat with the whole feel of that protest. It's maybe a bit strong but all they needed to do was shave their heads and don a few swastikas and the flavour would still have been the same.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7061 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 727 times:
ZKJIM-Welcome to A.NET.
I think that the protest was overboard a few months ago. It was nor a protest but more of an army of people taking over and threatening. I heard that the MP (Georgina Something) had stiff chucked at her etc... While having stuff chucked at you is not a major thing, it is not the best image which a christian groupl want to give to others. It was an image of hatred rather than protest IMO
Flyboy1980 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2003, 253 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 719 times:
There are some pretty nasty letters in The Press today.
There will always be fundamentalists who will never have open minds. For their whole lives they will continue to believe that not all humans are equal and some humans deserve punishment for simply being who they are. In our enlightened times, this idea is becoming more and more repugnant.
Apparently, me having access to a Civil Union will break up countless families nationwide. Exactly how this is going to occur (it hasn't happened in any other Western nation that has Civil Unions, the Danish have had them since 1989!) has never been explained by Destiny, Maxim etc etc. Groups such as theirs prefer to make a lot of noise, spout out-dated homophobic rhetoric and promote discrimination instead of tackling issues that really matter. If Destiny and Maxim are so into promoting the family, where are their ideas on how to do this? What policy ideas have they come up with? It's easier to shout out hate instead of putting in the effort to make NZ a better place. That's what makes me most angry about Destiny etc.
All this noise about Labour being out of step with public opinion on this has absolutely no bearing on the matter. Had the people of the Southern US states in the 1960s been asked to vote on whether black citizens should be allowed equal access to public facilities, the majority would have voted no. Just because the majority thinks something doesn't make it right!
Aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6742 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 708 times:
Brian Tamaki is TV Evangelism gone wrong. He doesn't lead a church, he runs a business from sucking in the weak & taking 10% of their salaries per year. He's a hypocrite of the highest order. He's the one person I hate in the world more than GWB.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7061 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 704 times:
In the NZ Herald, there is a front page article saying that Dick Hubbard (AKL mayor) and Ralph Norris (head of NZ) wrote letters to the government saying that it was a mistake and that they are opposed to it.
Mr Hubbard said it was a risk to other people and families, blah blah blah.....
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7061 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 673 times:
Anyone heard that Mr Tamaki rekons he will become an MP and that the Destiny church will become government in a few years time. Is it just me or does this sound like a load of Bull. Sounds like a very naive and over optimistic man if he thinks that. 7000 people out of the NZ populations is bugger all.
SFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 14 hours ago) and read 655 times:
Cool down guys. Since when opposing a piece of legislation equals to intolerance, bigotry and so on. NZ is a free country, or so I was told, in which every voice should be respectfully listened. One of you called them nazis, gimme a break! I respect your fight for equality, but your rhetoric scares the heck out of me because I'm starting to hear the same arguments from some radicals in my own country.
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2550 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 hours ago) and read 636 times:
Interesting how Labour promotes this as "equal rights" and everyone just roles over and believes them.
I don't recall anything in the legislation saying giving homosexuals the right to marry, as those in heterosexual relationships do. How can this possibly be "equal"?
But everyone gets duped by Clark, who feeds specific sectors of the electorate little morsels when they should be demanding the entire feast. It's an old political trick and works just about every time. she will now be celebrated as an oh-so caring PM, worthy of votes. University students have been fooled as well. But it ultimately works against these groups because if Labour knows they can take the gay/lesbian community and student's votes for granted, it will never deliver any substantial benefits.
And I know plenty of people that do NOT adore Helen Clark. They're not interested in Don, but they certainly don't like her Highness either.
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2550 posts, RR: 4 Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 hours ago) and read 631 times:
The only thing I have against the legislation is that it doesn't grant full marriage rights to ALL adults, regardless of sexual orientation.
I just don't get why people are satisfied with second (or third, or fourth etc) best ALL the time. In other parts of the world people would be out on the streets fighting for their rights. Here we are consumed by apathy, and Clark knows that. Just goes to show that NZ is developing through bureaucratic committees, rather than the force of the people. How very dull for future generations.
The only people that do storm the streets are extremists, which helps her (Clark) to claim the middle ground.
All very manipulative but I suppose that's politics. So my answer would be yes, I do NOT like CLark or her style of leadership. Perhaps we get the leadership we deserve, I dunno. But I have seriously been doubting the collective intelligence of the New Zealand public more and more lately.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7061 posts, RR: 12 Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 hour ago) and read 616 times:
IMO Helen Clarke is more talk than action. She tries to please to many people and everyone knows that you just cannot do that. We have seen her shift her views or alter them on a few occasions in the past few years. I think that she is just trying to gain a spot in the UN.
An example, the government said that they will help to fund all aviation related courses from 2003, they have enforced a quota in the country of the number of people that are allowed to study flying for career prospect oppportunities. 1 and a half years have gone since I signed the 'acknowlegment form' and nothing has come of it. The quota has been in place, but still no subsidy. I know that this is not a big issue for many, but it to me shows how long it takes for this government to get things completed for 'low priority issues'
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2550 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 609 times:
That is it, the title of marriage. It's still kept separate because it still isn't on an equal footing. That and the ability to adopt children - probably the most important issue that received little or no attention during the whole debate. I also heard (though am not sure if this is true) that to be "civilly united" you have to have been together for a certain amount of time. Though I don't see how this is enforceable.