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Most Overrated Driver In F1  
User currently offlineYukimizake From Japan, joined Mar 2004, 529 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Mark Webber, all mouth, no results.


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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Ivan Capelli....
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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Cristiano Da Matta gets my vote....

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Bernie Ecclestone.

Oh, wait! He doesn't ever actually get into a race car.

Okay then, I think they are all pretty good but JPM has sure not lived up to his press.




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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

JPM gets my vote for most overrated

Back when he raced in CART he was just Juan Montoya.. Where the hell did this Pablo crap come from?


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Gotta be JPM and Mark Webber.


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User currently offlineNWA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1200 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

JPM, no doubt.

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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

JPM, been 6,3,3,5 in the championship can hardly be called "overrated".


User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Fernando Alonso....Without the driver aids he would be useless. Go FISICHELLA!


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User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

It is Ralph Shummacher no doubt about it.

Where the hell did this Pablo crap come from?

That is his second name, you see, here it is usual to use the whole name of a person, for example my name is Juan Jose, for us he's always been Juan Pablo Montoya. I hope next year he can close your mouths with an outstanding performance, we'll see.

Juan
SKBO



User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

Jenson Button !!

While he is good, he is over rated. Got to say though, most overrated is Mark Webber.

JPM overrated? Yes, a little, KR will blow him away next season!  Smile

Adam


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

I'd agree with BA757 on Button, espcially after Autosport named him driver of the year over Schumacher. Granted Button is an excellent driver, but he does bleed and he can't walk on water! I'd say both of the 2004 Williams drivers were a bit overrated, espcially when JPM seemed to imply he didn't need to test much in the winter of 2003! DC is DC, so yeah. Jacques won't be doing much for Sauber. Trulli I think was underrated this past yr. But I think most drivers on the grid, no matter who they are, are overrated until someone can challenge Ferrari!

User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Montoya and Raikkonen hands down.

User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Definitely Juan Pablo Montoya and Mark Webber.

The former is the most disgusting representation of this country; inside his car he sucks, and outside of it he is just an arrogant spoiled bastard. What a shame.

 Insane



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

How come nobody mentioned DC ?
Fool had some of the best cars available in F1 yet he didn't do anything worthwhile with them.

UTA



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User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Montoya and Raikkonen hands down.

Raikkonen! Raikkonen - I think not!

Spa 02 anyone? Did Raikkonen look underrated when he blasted through all the smoke at Eau Rouge in qualifying...no, it was ballesy and brave, shows the true racer he is.

Adam


User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

I almost forgot : Alessandro Zanardi.
CART champ but a disaster in F1.

UTA



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User currently offline707cMf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

What about Jean Alesi ? Muret-Gravier, wasn't it ?

Cheers,

707


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

What about Jean Alesi ? Muret-Gravier, wasn't it ?

You can't say he's overrated as if was always considered a prick.

Jacques Villeneuve however is way overrated in my opinion.


User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1779 times:


Coulthard gets my vote, he's done next to nothing in terms of 'winning' anything.

He'll be lucky to get a test drive for a mediocre team next year.


User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

The former is the most disgusting representation of this country; inside his car he sucks, and outside of it he is just an arrogant spoiled bastard. What a shame.

You are the bastard here little man, JPM sucked this year because he had no car to drive, when he finally had he won the race in Brazil. As for his attitude outside the cars why do you care about it? he is damn good, he knows it and his behavior show it.

Perhaps what some people do not like about him is that he also knows that he doesn't owe anything to anybody but his father, no one looked after him when he began, only when he won in Europe, the Car series and the Indy 500 those lagartos started to appear, but he knows that he made it by himself and did not give credit to all that people.

Finally, if he were the most disgunting representation of this country why would million of Colombians wake up every sunday morning to see him race? More disturbing is to lose a medal in the olympic games because you are doped.

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineLhrstu From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

I`d go with Coulthard as well. He just never seems to get it together when he needs to.

I must admit Button has impressed me this year. Seems to have matured a bit and takes it a little more seriously rather than just living an Eddie-Irvine-style party existance.

Stu


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6865 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Would it be considered overrated to be a driver for the richest, highest-funded team in F1 history for countless years running?

Just asking.

I love Schumacher, but the playing field is hardly level in F1.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

JuanR I have to disagree with you on some of this. I think your compatriot SOUTHAMERICA was a little harsh in his description. Probably most F1 drivers are arrogant. I'd be if I was that good!

But the thread was about "overrated" and to me that means much promised and little delivered. Juan Pablo did very well here in the US and impressed most of us. Perhaps the press did him a disservice in over-hyping his move to F1. He was supposed to unseat Michael and so on. Well, for the time being, Michael and Ferrari are all but unbeatable. I'd hate to be a first-rate driver like Juan Pablo or Mika Hakkinen or some others who might have been champions if only Michael did not exist.

But JPM has finished behind people he should have beat in cars he should have beat. I don't know what the reason is but he just does not shine in F1 like he did in CART. Lots of promise + not much podium = overrated.

I disagree with the idea that he does not owe anyone anything. He owes podium finishes to his employer. In turn they owe him the best car they can deliver. We have a saying in the US: "It is a poor workman who blames his tools." Michael has won races in Ferraris that were outclassed by McLaren or Williams or on tires that were not the best. He did it on talent.

Last; those millions of Colombians are lucky to get to see a local driver race when they get up early on Sunday to watch an F1 race. But they get up early for pretty much the same reason I do - it is the race. Wish I had a US driver to cheer on.




Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

SlamClick,


You put it just right. And believe me, this stupid hype about him was everywhere here in Colombia [fortunately everybody is now really seeing that he is not half of what the biased media says] as if there weren't many things here in Colombia already (natural resources, great writers, good artists, gorgeous ladscapes) to be proud of.

JPM is just down to the typical "hero of the kids" here [poor things] as he has everyone fed up with his cocky arrogance.


Again, you put it just right, and fully agree with you.



SOUTHAMERICA


25 Yukimizake : Webber because; In his first race he finished 5th in a Minardi, he has yet to improve on this. In the Jaguar he has occasionally qualified well, but o
26 Photopilot : Most promised and least delivered of any F1 driver in history. That's and easy one. Michael Andretti. Big crybaby, didn't perform, didn't commit to th
27 Slider : Why can't the USA produce a good driver.... competitive to world standards. There's more to being a good RACE CAR driver than.... 1)Drive Hard 2)Drive
28 AAplatnumflier : Ivan Capelli...... Go Shummacher and Ferrari
29 Juanr : Slamslick, perhaps you are right in some of your statements in your post, anyway, for me and for most Colombians he is not over-rated because we knew
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