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Leading Atheist Changes Mind....  
User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1400368,00.html

A LOST sheep has returned to the fold. One of the most renowned atheists of the past half century has changed his mind and decided that there is a God after all.

Antony Flew, 81, emeritus professor of philosophy at Reading University, whose arguments for atheism have influenced scholars around the world, has been converted to the view that some sort of deity created the universe.

Flew, the son of a Methodist minister, is keen to repent. “As people have certainly been influenced by me, I want to try and correct the enormous damage I may have done,” he said yesterday.

But he is unlikely to proclaim his faith from a pulpit. He is still not a Christian and dismisses the conventional forms of divinity as “the monstrous oriental despots of the religions of Christianity and Islam”. He also stands by his rejection of an afterlife.


Thoughts, Opinions?


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User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

The thoughts of one man should not be an influence on something that we have no proof of. Why people should believe him, I have no idea. I say big deal...

User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

And yet one thing is for sure, we only get to find out who was right after we die....

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

"The thoughts of one man should not be an influence on something that we have no proof of. Why people should believe him, I have no idea. I say big deal..."

Unfortunately "one man" influence can do a lot of damage. Just remember one: Hitler! Specially in ignorant people.


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"And yet one thing is for sure, we only get to find out who was right after we die...."

I don't hesitate about it. He corrected on time his big mistake.


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

i dont think you can call being an athiest a big mistake, he sold out, shameful, but many christians turn into athiests anyway so im sure it balences it out

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1604 times:

"i dont think you can call being an athiest a big mistake, he sold out, shameful, but many christians turn into athiests anyway so im sure it balences it out "

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Well, you don't, but I do.

Professor Flew said "SORRY". He accept the fact that he made an "enormous damage" [once again, he said so, not me]. Hence, his accepting an error...

What else?



User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

dont think you can call being an athiest a big mistake, he sold out, shameful, but many christians turn into athiests anyway so im sure it balences it out

So he's a sell out if he converst from athiesm? What nonsense!

And for your info, the people becoming athiests are not real Christians, most were just born Christian by name.



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

Flew has in no way converted to any mainline Judeo-Christian religion.

I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam, because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins.

If anything he is an agnostic, or is willing to accept that an indescribable life force may exist.

This is a central tenet of the core philosophy of many Eastern religions like Hinduism and Buddhism. Of course, both Hinduism and Buddhism have been corrupted by the mindless worship of religious avatars.

I'd spare the cost of sending him a stack of Bibles, if I were you.


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5576 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1562 times:

Flew is what is known as a "deist." He accepts that there is some sort of Higher Power, but will not take things any further.


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

81 years of age. Nearing the end of his life?

Looking / hoping that there is something after death?

“As people have certainly been influenced by me, I want to try and correct the enormous damage I may have done,”

Hoping that the above is a key to enter and proceed to the "light" beyond?

Andreas




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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

"81 years of age. Nearing the end of his life?"

Don't you know that the only "requirement" to die is to be alive? There is no age requirement at all... You or me may die first.

On the contrary, never is too late to change your mind.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

“As people have certainly been influenced by me, I want to try and correct the enormous damage I may have done,”

I don't know much about this guy... infact... never heard of him! But it sounds like as he reaches his last few ticks.. he can't handle the gut check he so profoundly professed at one time. He was alive when Freud was around... he should have took the advantage of that as best he could. But hey... he's 81.. he's entitled to change his mind.


BN747



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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Ironic that he changed his mind so close to the end of the road, being 81 and all.


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1471 times:
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An old man who has spent his life in search of logic and answers deciding that there are no real answers to the most basic of questions can be understood when he decides that God really is in the details. He is deistic in his explications, and I am sure he still remains antagonistic towards organized religion.

I am curious as to what atheists think created the universe and life. Agnostics choose to not really deal with the subject, but atheists actively choose to believe that there is no God or higher power.

Any atheists out there who would like to explain some of this for me would be appreciated. I generally get a headache when I think of those fundamental questions like how old is the universe and what force could have created it, and what was there before, and all that.

I would like to hear from an atheist about their views.



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

"Ironic that he changed his mind so close to the end of the road, being 81 and all."

Ironic? No. Wisdom? Yes.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

"Ironic that he changed his mind so close to the end of the road, being 81 and all."

Ironic? No. Wisdom? Yes



I think not. If Billy Graham or Jimmy Swaggart suddenly announced they were 'athiest'... would that also be wisdom??? You'd write them off as being senile. But just imagine the earth-shattering damage announcement of that magnitude would cause!!! Why? One word-- fear! That's what drives the 'faithful'.

I am curious as to what atheists think created the universe and life.

....logic and answers deciding that there are no real answers to the most basic of questions can be understood...


Herein, lies the problem. We (humans) really and truly believe that 'the most basic questions' given all that we know-- should be 'answerable'. On the scale of unfolding knowledge of the universe we don't know squat. In the last 50 years of our existence, did we only begin to truly understand our own solar system (let alone the universe).

100 years ago, we were dumber than we were in 1960... but our own arrogance leads us to believe that we've known all this 'newly found science' all along and therefore it gets quickly digested and cast as 'old news'... we're still processing tons of this information and still cannot explain what we've recently discovered and have known from every possible angle or aspect. Only recently, have we begun to understand how our life existance works (from a scientific perspective) and many new answers pour in everyday. But nothing new comes from the 6000 year-old-bible (discounting endless interpretations to address every new social dilemma that dares to present itself aka cloning of vital organs etc).

Religion is a perfect vehicle to 'tie-up' all the questions of existence into a simple, nice and neat little package for those who don't want to push their brain or those who can't accept 'complicated and complexed' explanations. Everything can be written off as 'the will of god' or attributed to the 'knowledge' of god. So all the brutality,slaughter, madness and inhumanity that has occurred and currently doing so... is made easily acceptable and by saying that 'judgement awaits' all the transgressors'... thus making it all okay and palatable to a very very strange extent.

If you remove the arrogance from the equation.. you see we are.. at present 'the chief (human) animal at the moment. And by keeping the hubris in check, we also see, of all the knowledge we've compiled within the last 50 or so years...we really don't know as much as we think we know. In the most simplistic of terms, the secrets (and answers) of the universe are all present (they've been here all along).. we've just learn to 'speak the language of the universe'..we've just recently figured out the 1st word of a billion word crossword puzzle that contains a 20 thousand letter alphabet...yet, with arrogance (and bible) we walk around acting as if really do have all the answers. It is the bible that tells 'us' that life is all about 'US'... if that isn't arrogance ultimatus'... I don't know what is. As I said before... the universe was here long BEFORE us.. and it'll be here long AFTER us. Only the most arrogant believe, 'if we go... so goes the universe'...sorry, not a chance!

Athiest don't claim to know the answers to the universe... they just claim to have read/heard all the parables of the bible and concluded it makes about as much sense as squeezing your head in a vise. Athiest welcome and look forward to more unfolding answers.... not 'living in some dream world' afterlife' (that offers everything that pleases humans). After all humans aren't the only ones on this planet... yeah, we're running the show, but we didn't always run it and there's no gaurantee that we always will.


BN747








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User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

In my book religion and faith in God are two different things ...


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1428 times:

"I am curious as to what atheists think created the universe and life. Agnostics choose to not really deal with the subject, but atheists actively choose to believe that there is no God or higher power.

Any atheists out there who would like to explain some of this for me would be appreciated. I generally get a headache when I think of those fundamental questions like how old is the universe and what force could have created it, and what was there before, and all that. "

Read BN747's post...it is almost exactly what I, an atheist would have wrote...good job BN747!

Greg



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User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

No atheist has ever seen a tornado ....


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6897 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1424 times:

I am an Atheist, having as I previously said in another thread been a practising catholic who was very much into talking to 'God' regularly and going to Church and living a very Christian lifestyle. The fact is I never accepted one perception of God, and found that what I was doing in the name of Christianity wasn't making me any better a person than if I did them for myself. Now I just take each day on its merits, not on whether I have said my prayers/done good deed and or converted anyone to my faith. As a result I find I am more spontaneous and ready to appreciate what life throws at me.

you certainly can't say I made mistake just cos I don't adhere to a church that runs by fear and control. It is no less reasonable a view than hearing God's voice in your head, or taking a book made up of short stories as the absolute truth about the world. Or believing in a lifeforce that runs the planet. Or anything else that various religions have put forward as an essential part of their religion. My point is that Atheism is a religion by any other name, because it is a belief/trust of faith in which you can't truely know if it is true or not - even if it feels real to you.

As for you BN747 you have earned your way onto my respected user list due to your coherent thoughts.


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Its easy to be a atheist, especially when you don't have kids. After living for 44 years and seeing my 3 kids births ..... Yip there's a god alright.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5477 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Its easy to be a atheist, especially when you don't have kids. After living for 44 years and seeing my 3 kids births ..... Yip there's a god alright.

Dc-10guy, it's great life has been to you but somewhere not too far from you is an inept family raising a family of 3,4 or 5 and have no earthly business being charged with the welfare of a child! Let alone a number of them ! And next them another family that may be or may not be as grateful and as great a parent as you may be. But birth again.. as miraculous as it is.. is not uniquely human. Whales have been birthing calves 25 million years before we ever arrived on the planet. As much as we love and cherish birth...should we do the same with the end of life...death? No... we don't because it saddens us, scares us and frightens us into untold beliefs and bizarre thoughts. But great as achievement as birth is.. then so equally must be death... they are intricably linked! Now I'm in no hurry to get there.. but I can't control, when or how it will occur. The lack of (extreme) arrogance keeps me from making more out of death as much as someone's birth (as pleasing as it is).. but it's simply a passage of life. But we are living in the greatest time to have ever lived (up to date anyway) we have more access to predicting and charting our future with a fair degree confidence than any of our race before... but we must remember.. it's just the 1st step in a million mile marathon... it really isn't all that much when viewed from a galactic perspective.

It's easy being an athiest? Think again pal.

Arrogance/Bible/Koran/Torah believers stake faith on a unproven and promised outcome (everlasting life). It's like walking into a room and you know exactly what's in there before you open the door. No fear whatsoever.

Uncertainty/Athiest mindset/believers stake faith on nothing and take nothing for granted. We don't know the outcome nor do we pretend to. For us .. it's like walking into a dark room and having no clue what lies on the other side.. good or bad. Fear??? You'd better believe it.. but that comes with the territory of the unknown. Staking your life on the unknown is not easy by any means!

It's easier to just do as you're told by a book written when people thought an earthquake, tornado, hurricane, a swarm of bees or locust and a solar eclipse meant god was punishing them! Now that's easy! Do as you're told... how hard can that be?

Hey .. when I hit turbulence at 30,000... my 1st instinct is to pray to god (no shit).. but clearly that's from years of brain washing. If I were never raised with a religious background.. it'd be very interesting to hear what such a person thinks as their aircraft is being tossed about.. that ... I would love to hear!


BN747





"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6897 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

BN747, When I hit heavy turbulence somewhere over the Bay of Bengal I do remember thinking "I'm glad I love aviation & flying the way I do, but it'd be very ironic if the plane went down with me on it." - It was good fun until it stopped somewhere over bulgaria. As you say, Life for an Atheist is like walking into a dark room the whole time, but funnily enough flying is one of the things that I feel the most comfortable doing without fear - and no it isn't cos I'm closer to God as someone suggested to me once....lol

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1374 times:

"In my book religion and faith in God are two different things"

Which book?


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"Arrogance/Bible/Koran/Torah believers stake faith on a unproven and promised outcome (everlasting life). It's like walking into a room and you know exactly what's in there before you open the door. No fear whatsoever."

Unproven? Yes. That's because we are talking about "faith".


User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days ago) and read 1358 times:
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bn....I understand much of what you are saying, having thought about it in depth, and I wonder if what you are saying is a rational reaction to justify a dislike for organized religion, and how much is a natural rejection of what you perceive as illogical.

My fundamental problem with organized religion is that it is run by humans who are full of what they themselves refer to as sin, and they are hypocritical enough to set out for you a way of life that even they cannot live by. This is compounded by the simple idea that we should accept it all on faith, when there is way too much evidence to countermand the fundamental dogma of Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden. Evolution happened, the big bang almost certainly happened. So the basic mythology of the bible was put there by storytellers looking to both answer peoples questions (assumably so they could sleep at night, and to tell them how to act by turning the whole thing into a morality tale).

My standing statement on the Bible, and other religious writings, is that it was conceived as a crowd control document and has been effectively used over the last 2000 years as such. The Koran, Torah etc are included in this.

The really galling thing is that people decide that the rituals and cloaking of the church/system of worship will provide them with atonement for their sins, no matter what, in the next world. This leads people to assume that they can buy a ticket on the boat, and can do whatever they want until then.
We are responsible for our own lives and acts here on earth, and there is no heaven or hell other than what we create for ourselves. To assume that some priest can absolve us by a direct connection to God is a bit asinine to say the least.

But there is a problem with a pure logical existence. The are no answers to a couple of basic questions. How old is the universe? What was there prior to it? Who or what created it? Who created them? Why are we here? How was human life put together? Could something that complex and requiring that much consecutive coincidence have been an accident? How do we explain luck?

I guess the real question is "does it matter much?" Luck seems to go both ways. You and I were pulling in different directions for this last election, so either luck favored one of us or prayer really does work. I certainly have prayed to God for help, and I have sat in my lucky spot to watch Falcons games, while trying to avoid jinxing the game by talking too much about winning. Which works better? Who the hell knows?

I think it all gets back to the basics....we are equipped with what we have, and are able to improve ourselves if we so desire. No amount of prayer or luck will help those unwilling to do for themselves in some way, and luck and prayer seem to help those who work the hardest and take the most responsibility and the most risk.

I don't really know where that places me in the categorization of religious feelings, and I really don't care. I have been called religious by some and agnostic by others, even had one guy call me a heathen and really meant it.
Atheism seems to me to be a rejection of anything that cannot be explained logically....and there just are no answers to some of the most fundamental issues...and I don't think there will ever be. How big, how old, what started it, why.



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25 USAFHummer : "But there is a problem with a pure logical existence. The are no answers to a couple of basic questions. How old is the universe? What was there prio
26 Dl021 : So what you are saying, and I am not being antagonistic in this at all, is that you DO have faith in the illogical. Therefore you are not really athei
27 USAFHummer : "What happens if someday science proves there is a God?" That's the day I renounce my atheism, however, I of course believe that moment will never hap
28 QR332 : That's the day I renounce my atheism, however, I of course believe that moment will never happen... Just as evidence that there is no God will never a
29 Gary2880 : easy being an athiest?! what rubbish, its easy being christian, you dont have to think your told what to do when to do it and how to do it, athiests a
30 Marco : what rubbish, its easy being christian, you dont have to think your told what to do when to do it and how to do it, athiests actually have to think fo
31 Gigneil : What happens if someday science proves there is a God? I will tell him, frankly, to f*** off. N
32 BN747 : I guess the real question is "does it matter much?" Luck seems to go both ways. You and I were pulling in different directions for this last election,
33 TACAA320 : ""What happens if someday science proves there is a God?" That's the day I renounce my atheism, however, I of course believe that moment will never ha
34 Dc10guy : Well I guess I'm wrong BN747, Trying to find reasons to not believe in god must be hard. Your good at it. Don't get me wrong I don't like religion at
35 Flyboy1980 : After weighing up all the evidence, I can confidently call myself an atheist. Rational thinking, science and physical evidence proves to me that there
36 Aerorobnz : Science itself is all about theory, and beliefs - despite the gulf that scientists & Religious folk alike think exists between them. Science is a phil
37 Gigneil : And if Atheists where honest with themselves they would too. I'm honest with myself. Just to let you know, there's no tooth fairy, Santa Clause, or b
38 Post contains images Klaus : Aerorobnz: Science itself is all about theory, and beliefs - despite the gulf that scientists & Religious folk alike think exists between them. Scienc
39 BN747 : Yikes!!! Ease up, Klaus.. he's a guy and he's still learning! However, Rob... Klaus is 100% on the money. Ummm 'what' he said ... is science.. and I'm
40 Dc10guy : I think that Someday .... Just like Mr. Flew, everyone will realize that they too believe in God. Its only a matter of time. But if you refuse too, th
41 Gigneil : Everyone eventually will have a weak moment. And, in that weak moment, they will turn to whatever comforts them. If that means that, as they're dying,
42 Dc10guy : The end result will be the same .....
43 Post contains images Aerorobnz : Klaus perhaps I didn't word myself correctly, after all I was in the middle of a rant what i meant is that until a theory is proven (eg: electricity)
44 Gigneil : The end result will be the same ..... Don't you find that sad that it someone with the fear of damnation in their final moments get the same benefits
45 Dc10guy : No, I don't find it sad. Pride is a tuff thing. Being too proud to humble yourself will catch up with a person someday ... But if a person doesn't wan
46 Post contains images Klaus : BN747: Yikes!!! Ease up, Klaus.. he's a guy and he's still learning! Sorry about that... I had left my Inconsistency Detector in AutoDestroy mode agai
47 Dc10guy : I think its interesting that atheists are so proud of being "atheist" Its seems important to them to make sure people know how they feel. I'm not a Ch
48 Post contains images Q330 : BN747 and Klaus, you've made some good posts. Very interesting. I think its interesting that atheists are so proud of being "atheist" Its seems import
49 Post contains images Aerorobnz : Klaus, I'm not going to take the point I attempted to make. I've clearly been beaten by a more experienced person on the matter! Still it's been fun a
50 USAFHummer : "I think its interesting that atheists are so proud of being "atheist" Its seems important to them to make sure people know how they feel. " Not in my
51 BN747 : Thanks, Q330. Greg/USAFHummer.. same here.. I never throw that out 1st. Infact when religion emerges in the course of conversion, I usually play along
52 Post contains images Aerorobnz : Cheers BN, nice to be appreciated. I like to share with people my thoughts, so I can have an opportunity to hear/read theirs cos unlike a lot of peopl
53 TACAA320 : "do Christians proclaiming their Christianity pisses off the atheists ??? It sure pisses me off!" It also happened to me.... but in a contrary sense.
54 Commander_Rabb : Haha! You just have to love converts. Atheism...the biggest lie.
55 Post contains images TACAA320 : "Haha! You just have to love converts. Atheism...the biggest lie. " Are you joking? Everybody knows that for centuries...
56 Q330 : do Christians proclaiming their Christianity pisses off the atheists ??? It sure pisses me off! I probably should clarify my statement: it's only when
57 Gigneil : Atheism...the biggest lie. How could Atheism be a lie? That implies that Atheists know, for a fact, that there is a God, and that we're trying to conv
58 Post contains images TACAA320 : "How could Atheism be a lie? That implies that Atheists know, for a fact, that there is a God, and that we're trying to convince the world otherwise d
59 Aerorobnz : gaining control?? where??? which religion?? who are you kidding? The Catholic pope no longers holds any sway at all because everybody realises that he
60 Gigneil : Losing it? On the contrary, gaining it.......... In the United States, but not around the world. But thanks for confirming my accusation. N
61 TUNisia : "That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of Go
62 Dc10guy : Old Albert sure had a great way with words ......
63 Post contains images TACAA320 : "gaining control?? where??? which religion?? who are you kidding? The Catholic pope no longers holds any sway at all because everybody realises that h
64 Aerorobnz : I am aware that the Pope is Catholic and there are other leaders of churches but he is an example of one gone wrong. The Pope when I saw him at the Va
65 TACAA320 : "I am aware that the Pope is Catholic and there are other leaders of churches but he is an example of one gone wrong. The Pope when I saw him at the V
66 Post contains links B2707SST : The whole matter is outside of our comprehension because the logical structure of the human mind simply cannot grasp how such a being exists and acts.
67 BN747 : It seems to me that good ol' Ludwig with his commanding usage of thought and articulation concludes that if 'the human mind can think up such an abstr
68 Gigneil : The whole matter is outside of our comprehension because the logical structure of the human mind simply cannot grasp how such a being exists and acts.
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