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Saddam, Captured 1 Year... What Have We Gained?  
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti...

...pulled from his rat-hole one year ago today.






Other than a few priceless mugshots, exactly what have we gained thusfar?

IINM, the dude hasn't even met with lawyers to begin the preliminary compulsories of trial prep.

Yeah, I know patience is a virtue, and perhaps it's just me; but anyone else find this to be moving painfully slowly, even after an election year?

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User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

CBoy, did you post anything particularly interesting for your 11000th post?


Equally Cursed and Blessed.
User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

CBoy, did you post anything particularly interesting for your 11000th post?

10999 posts not remotely interesting, what makes you think his 11000th would be anything special?  Smile

Yeah, I know patience is a virtue, and perhaps it's just me; but anyone else find this to be moving painfully slowly, even after an election year?

Wait a sec. The trial isn't controlled by Americans, so what difference would an American election make to a trial which is supposed to be run by the Iraqis?

I personally can't wait for justice to be served in this instance. Will that happen? Probably not. We all know that Saddam is guilty -- anyone who denies that is a fool. But what I want to see if this Iraqi court will also file charges against Saddam's accomplices, and that includes foreigners (several of them currently in various roles of government in Washington).

Trial is reported to be starting sometime before the Iraqi elections (according to the Iraqis).


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

did you post anything particularly interesting for your 11000th post?

...well, considering that this is said post--- you make the call  Big grin




The trial isn't controlled by Americans, so what difference would an American election make to a trial which is supposed to be run by the Iraqis?

...are you kidding us with this? My sarcasm gauge has been reading somewhat low lately  Yeah sure


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

dont be daft russophile, the americans rule the world, everything revolves around them and happens when they want it to happen, duh!

(you wanted sarcasm?  Big grin)


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

We've gained the posession of a nation who's people hate us. Yippie.

User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

We've gained the posession of a nation who's people hate us. Yippie.

What are you talking about Falcon? They love you. Just watch the news and you will see it  Big grin


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

To quote Ian Hislop: "They (the americans) have liberated Iraq, and the grateful population is trying to kill them."

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

ROTFL. "Liberated" them. We've taken them from one kind of misery to another. They've gone from a tyrianical dictator to anarchaic mayhem.

Thanks, George W. It's been so much fun, watching 1500 Americans die, thousands of Iraqi's, and a nation laid ruin.


User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

Perhaps a more appropos thread title would read:
"Saddam, Captured 1 Year...What Have THEY Gained?"

Although much positive can be said about Saddam's demise as ruler, perhaps if the planning and execution of this adventure had been done with more forethought and professionalism, things would be currently much better. Perhaps, of course, we shouldn't have become involved in the first place (my gut feeling).

I have not been directly involved with this affair (as I presuppose most of you have not) and must rely on picking through various news sources to form my own opinion. I will add anecdotally that out of numerous armed forces personel I have talked with since their return, their candid comments on progress are about 2-to-1 in favor of the campaign and its' future resolve. Regards...Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

Saddam, captured 1 year....what have we gained??

Zero

Nada

Zipp

Ingenting

Nothing what so ever.........

Micke//SE  Sad



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Yes.

We've gained a new star to play Tom Selleck's dad in "Magnum PI on Golden Pond."


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Saddam said that if we (the US) invaded Iraq it would be like Vietnam all over again. Well, he was right. Dubya got his trophy that's what capturing Saddam was all about. Now when do we leave ??? How many more Osama wana be's are we going to make before we pack up and go ???


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

Gary2880, please mate, don't talk on issues that you know nothing about. Don't you remember that on 28th June the Iraqi people were handed their sovereignty -- even happened 2 days before schedule. The Americans do not want to control Iraq. They want the Iraqis to make their own decisions on issues which will affect Iraqis. The Americans are only there so long as they are welcomed by the Iraqi government. I know this is true, because US President George W. Bush said so himself.

User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

Russophile, Are you serious dude ???


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Well..we have learnt that by using Google, you can capture just about anything or anyone:



 Laugh out loud



אני תומך בישראל
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

January 20th, 2009 Can't Come Fast Enough!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Alphafalcon, I hope you choke on a donkey-shaped cookie on that day, since they'll need to be eaten from the victory party that didn't work out for yall that year  Laugh out loud

Seriously though...I say we grill the shit out of the bastard for info about Capt. Scott Speicher....we owe that much to his family and the men who served with him (I lived a few streets over at the time of his shootdown, he was in my dad's Airwing, small world)...Saddam has to know something about what happened over there in 91.

DeltaGuy



User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

C'mon, don't you guys read reports of or listen to what Dubya and his band of puppets say? The WORLD is now a much safer place without Saddam in power. Hell, it's almost been a full 24 hours since an American GI or a member of the coalition has been killed. How much more safe can we be?

I have no doubt that Bush, a self proclaimed "War President" (now there's something to be proud of) will have us attacking Iran before his 2nd term is up.

Damn, now where did I put that application for Canadian citizenship...


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

Damn, now where did I put that application for Canadian citizenship...

...I have a few suggestions, but they'll all get censored out anyways  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

...I have a few suggestions, but they'll all get censored out anyways

Yeah, so much for freedom of speech...


User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

Yeah, so much for freedom of speech...

This is a privately run website; Johan reserves the right to censor anything he wants. Freedom of speech is not a rule here.



"It starts when you're always afraid; You step out of line, the man come and take you away" -Buffalo Springfield
User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1458 times:

DC10guy, of course I am serious. You have to admit that GWB is the BEST thing that has ever happened to America since Reagan -- making so many friends around the world where there were no friends before. You really have to realise that GWB is doing what he is doing for the common good of all humanity, for both now and in the future.

GWB knows the way, and I sincerely think all people from all nations should support him and his plan, uncompromisingly, so that we all will have a chance of living in peace during our lifetimes.


User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

any american that ever believed that saddam and his runnings were a threat to US national security, is the proof that the spotlight of ignorance aimed at the american public by the government itself...is def bright and working.... upsetting.

Saddam and the CIA were best friends just 2 decades ago when Iran was the question....and now??

There is nothing Saddam could ever tell the usa after being captured, that would be completely new news to the usa.....what do u think unmanned planes, cia, and a crap load of people on the inside have been gathering for years about iraq....

I feel sorry for regular americans because most of the world is starting to judge them as people, based on the actions of their gov...and they don't deserve that....

Why did you go all the way to Iraq, when Cuba is supposed to be a communist country right down there with good ole Fidel....
If an american really believes that Saddam was a threat, ask those people who believe this why they think the US has let Fidel rule the way he has....

sigh  Sad



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Russophile, ah,,, SO how's things in your world ??? GWB is a asswipe in the real world.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

You're an asswipe in the real world and in the virtual world!

DeltaGuy


25 Post contains images Nosedive : making so many friends around the world where there were no friends before. The Pilgrims made friends w/ Squanto when they shoved a bible down this th
26 Itsjustme : This is a privately run website; Johan reserves the right to censor anything he wants. Freedom of speech is not a rule here. Yes he can, an usually do
27 Post contains images Klaus : Itsjustme: And, thanks to some of the thin skinned Mods in here who selectively censor what are usually nothing more than comical posts, I'll be joini
28 Post contains images Russophile : Russophile, ah,,, SO how's things in your world ??? Much better today. The good thing is the hallucinations which have plagued me for the last couple
29 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Maybe he'll be King of his own little island some day. ...ya mean like Dickie Branson?!
30 Dc10guy : Russophile, I'm glad to hear your getting back to "normal" Drinking heavily helps.
31 Thecoz : "Mission Accomplished!" GWB is such an asswipe... Iraq has plenty of oil, the people are educated and hard working. Who's choice is it for the country
32 AAplatnumflier : My opinion is that we have not gained anything....
33 Falcon84 : My opinion is that we have not gained anything.... I'll go one step further: we've lost a ton of stuff: respect, 1500 young soldiers; our place of mor
34 Whitehatter : IMHO... Saddam won't come to trial. There was talk about his having prostate cancer or some other raging lurgi, and ill health will ensure it gets pos
35 Pilotaydin : how do u trial someone who is the legitimate leader of a country...he is the leader of Iraq...he was forced to step down by a coup pretty much, forced
36 SPREE34 : You're an asswipe in the real world and in the virtual world! DeltaGuy Don't care much for contrasting points of view aye Chris?
37 Post contains images Russophile : If the Russians marched into Washington and took Bush out and jailed him...would that be acceptable It would be quite acceptable to me.
38 Falcon84 : We've gained a brisk business in the coffin industry in the United States, that's one thing we've gained. We've gained the contempt of the entire worl
39 DL021 : One less murderous dictator who was responsible for gassing his own people, invading his neighbors, openly sponsoring palestinian terrorism, and upset
40 Falcon84 : You do live in a world of delusion when it comes to Iraq, DL021. If you call living in the middle of a war with no end in sight "freedom", I pity you.
41 Post contains links Whitehatter : how do u trial someone who is the legitimate leader of a country...he is the leader of Iraq...he was forced to step down by a coup pretty much, forced
42 Post contains links DL021 : No need for pity, I think, hell, I know that I see it differently. You choose to believe the people who tell only one part of the story, and I listen
43 Falcon84 : No need for pity, I think, hell, I know that I see it differently. Yes, and that's what is so sad. I have never called this easy or a walk in the park
44 DL021 : My "obedience"? Nah, I think you are as wrong as you think I am. I don't accuse you of blind obedience to the liberal line. Ask me what I am mad about
45 Falcon84 : Hindsight it perfectly 20/20.... Actually, with those who excuse and apologize this war, it's about 90-30, because you deny the real reason for the wa
46 Whitehatter : Unfortuynately, due to the bungling of GHWB and not dealing with Saddam in the 1990s, this is now a festering sore. Watch this spread into Saudi Arabi
47 Pilotaydin : According to the us...Fidel has done some of the things saddam has....on a smaller scale...why havent u gone into Havana and thrown out Fidel...after
48 Falcon84 : Unfortuynately, due to the bungling of GHWB and not dealing with Saddam in the 1990s, this is now a festering sore. Keeping his word to members of the
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