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Statutory Rape Laws?  
User currently offlineBoeingflying31 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

I was just thinking about this earlier...why is the s. rape law even there? It's a rule that only causes messed up problems....if your 18 and you have a gf who is 17 and you guys do stuff....she can get you back if shes pissed by saying you "raped" her. Someone should abolish that law....but in the other hand....it might have some advantages....what do you guys think?

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

um... perhaps you meant "statutory"?  Nuts

User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

CBoy is right - the word is 'statutory'.

And it doesn't matter whether she gets "pissed" at you or not. It doesn't matter if she admits it was consensual or accuses someone of rape.

If she is under legal age for her jurisdiction, it IS statutory rape - and any male over 18 years can be sentenced for it even if she does claim it was consensual.

Bottom line: If she's under 18 (in most areas) she's illegal - no matter how you feel about each other.



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Illegal, yes it is, and yes you can be charged for rape even if it's consentual and the parents of the chick hate you. Of course, just because you are in bed with daddy's little girl, they hate you, so you're screwed (in more ways than one).

I personally think the law is BS especially in cases like 18-17 year olds. Now if it's like 24-16 (I've met a couple in this case and the chick was 16), then yes I feel the law is appropriate.



User currently offlineBoeingflying31 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

**Statutory**...sorry for the mistake...didnt know what i was thinking

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Should be talk of an age range in there, like ranges 17-21 or something reasonable like that....or of under 20 being okay with down to 16.

Not many people pay attention to such things in highschool nowadays anyways...some of my college buds particularly like to feast on those highschool chicks (DLKAPA has admitted this a few times himself  Big grin)

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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

sophomore in high school, no problem she's 16 I'm 18 theres not much difference there.

that's about the limit though.


User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

if your 18 and you have a gf who is 17 and you guys do stuff....she can get you back if shes pissed by saying you "raped" her.

Not true, to a point. The age of consent is 16 or 17 in most states, not 18.

http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

I was just going to mention the age of consent website. In DLKAPAs case he is ok as he is less than 10 years older than his 16 y.o. girlfriend.

That said it varies from state to state. Some states still have laws on the books that any sex (straight, gay, or otherwise) outside of marriage is illegal. So if you are thinking about taking your mom's car and cruising the local high school after 6th period double check the laws in your state just to be sure.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

The worst thing about a democracy is that people want to change the laws because of their personal intestests at the moment. So the democrats wanted to change the law to allow a President to serve more than two terms because they were pretty sure Clinton could have beaten Bush and the republicans want to change the law to allow foreign-born people to become president because they think Ahnold can beat Hillary.

Now you, at 18 want to change the law so you can shag a 17 year old. Okay, let's discuss it.

Do what? Eliminate the law completely? So someone can rape a baby before she is old enough to understand that you raped her? Well, how about 10 as an age of consent? Make it an age difference? Wait a minute, I am eight and a half years older than my wife. I'm not going for that! Where do you set the limits?

Personally I don't think it has anything to do with years. I think that sex just requires a responsible adult to control it. So if you elect to have sex you are admitting that you are aware that it can cause pregnancy and are consenting to drop out of school and get a job and keep the little bastard off welfare. Because the blunt truth of it is, as a taxpayer I owe your little bastard child exactly precisely nothing. Don't get pregnant? Don't get a STD that requires public health assistance? Great! Enjoy!

If you can't carry the cost of all the possible outcomes of a sexual relationship, keep it zipped. Better men than yourself have managed to do so.





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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11520 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Some laws should be changed with the times. I do not believe statutory rape laws should be changed just so a 19 year old can shag a 16 year old, but rather because 16 year olds are more informed than they were 20 or 50 years ago. IMO, no one (myself included) is mature enough to have sex, but everyone has access to information on pregnancy and STDs. All the information is there, it is just a matter of making an informed decision.

Just like with alcohol laws. If (big if) the government were to change and enforce 16 as age of consent and 18 as age of consuming alcohol, they can rake in the dough. $500 minimum fine for selling to 17 or younger, $1000 minimum plus jail time for doing a 15 year old, larger fines for younger. It could work.

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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

"Changed with the times" implies being changed on a whim.

I agree with you on sex education. Absolutely! I went through the public school system before it was legal to have sex ed in public schools. One of the debates over it was "at what age" to start it. Most of us said: "well, how about before they have to leave school to get married."

And that is the difference between me and this generation of school kids. They have far more information and far less responsibility.

We would have gotten married if we got a girl pregnant. That was probably a huge mistake because the marriages never lasted, but at least it was taking responsibility. Hardly any sires (I will not dignify them with the word "father") of today's out-of-wedlock children voluntarily take financial responsibility.

And so, I remain with my original position. An "informed" consent is worthless. A consent with agreement to bear the entire burden of possible consequences is what matters. Information is cheap. Stepping up - that is what it is about. We have a lifelong responsibility for the children we bring into this world.



[Edited 2004-12-15 19:21:33]


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13508 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2255 times:
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some of my college buds particularly like to feast on those highschool chicks (DLKAPA has admitted this a few times himself)


To quote a great movie....

"..that's what I love about these high school girls; I keep gettin' older, but they stay the same age."  Big thumbs up



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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

Tennessee Code Annotated concerning Statutory Rape and Spousal Rape:

39-13-506. Statutory rape.

(a) Statutory rape is sexual penetration of a victim by the defendant or of the defendant by the victim when the victim is at least thirteen (13) but less than eighteen (18) years of age and the defendant is at least four (4) years older than the victim.

(b) If the person accused of statutory rape is under eighteen (18) years of age, such a defendant shall be tried as a juvenile and shall not be transferred for trial as an adult.

(c) Statutory rape is a Class E felony.

[Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 1; 1990, ch. 980, § 4; 1994, ch. 719, § 1.]

39-13-507. Limited spousal exclusion.

(a) A person does not commit an offense under this part if the victim is the legal spouse of the perpetrator except as provided in subsections (b) and (c).

(b) (1) "Spousal rape" means the unlawful sexual penetration of one spouse by the other where:

(A) The defendant is armed with a weapon or any article used or fashioned in a manner to lead the victim to reasonably believe it to be a weapon;

(B) The defendant causes serious bodily injury to the victim; or

(C) The spouses are living apart and one (1) of them has filed for separate maintenance or divorce.

(2) (A) "Spousal rape," as defined in subdivision (b)(1)(A) or (B), is a Class C felony.

(B) "Spousal rape," as defined in subdivision (b)(1)(C) shall be punished pursuant to § 39-13-502 or § 39-13-503.

(c) (1) "Aggravated spousal rape" is the unlawful sexual penetration of one spouse by the other where the defendant:

(A) Knowingly engaged in conduct that was especially cruel, vile and inhumane to the victim during commission of the offense; and either;

(B) Causes serious bodily injury to the victim; or

(C) Is armed with a weapon or any article used or fashioned in a manner to lead the victim to reasonably believe it to be a weapon.

(2) Aggravated spousal rape is a Class B felony.

(d) (1) "Spousal sexual battery" means the unlawful sexual contact by one (1) spouse of another where:

(A) The defendant is armed with a weapon or any article used or fashioned in a manner to lead the victim to reasonably believe it to be a weapon;

(B) The defendant causes serious bodily injury to the victim; or

(C) The spouses are living apart and one (1) of them has filed for separate maintenance or divorce.

(2) (A) "Spousal sexual battery," as defined in subdivision (c)(1)(A) or (B), is a Class D felony.

(B) "Spousal sexual battery," as defined in subdivision (c)(1)(C) shall be punished pursuant to § 39-13-504 or § 39-13-505.

[Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 1; 1990, ch. 980, § 5; 1997, ch. 480, § 1; 1998, ch. 1068, § 1.]


In Tennessee, minors may be married at age 16 with parental consent to other minors or persons of age of majority. Sexual relations between such a married couple are not considered statutory rape in the eyes of the law. Any accusation of rape in that situation would be addressed as Spousal Rape.




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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4364 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2152 times:
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User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13029 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Perhaps if these laws were used more often, maybe some guys would think twice before having sex with someone who is under 18 and not always of full ability to give consent to sex. New Jersey has a Statutory Rape law similar to the one of Tennessee posted above, to not make sex between a 19 age guy and his 17 age girl not statutory rape, but if between a 20 age guy with a 16 age girl, then is statutory rape.

User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Here is what the Arizona Revised Statutes have to say about the matter:

13-1405. Sexual conduct with a minor; classifications

A. A person commits sexual conduct with a minor by intentionally or knowingly engaging in sexual intercourse or oral sexual contact with any person who is under eighteen years of age.

B. Sexual conduct with a minor who is under fifteen years of age is a class 2 felony and is punishable pursuant to section 13-604.01. Sexual conduct with a minor who is at least fifteen years of age is a class 6 felony. Sexual conduct with a minor who is at least fifteen years of age is a class 2 felony if the person is the minor's parent, stepparent, adoptive parent, legal guardian or foster parent and the convicted person is not eligible for suspension of sentence, probation, pardon or release from confinement on any basis except as specifically authorized by section 31-233, subsection A or B until the sentence imposed has been served or commuted.

13-1407. Defenses

A. It is a defense to a prosecution pursuant to sections 13-1404 and 13-1405 involving a minor, if the act was done in furtherance of lawful medical practice.

B. It is a defense to a prosecution pursuant to sections 13-1404 and 13-1405 in which the victim's lack of consent is based on incapacity to consent because the victim was fifteen, sixteen or seventeen years of age, if at the time the defendant engaged in the conduct constituting the offense the defendant did not know and could not reasonably have known the age of the victim.

C. It is a defense to a prosecution pursuant to section 13-1402, 13-1404, 13-1405 or 13-1406, if the act was done by a duly licensed physician or registered nurse or a person acting under his or her direction, or any other person who renders emergency care at the scene of an emergency occurrence, and consisted of administering a recognized and lawful form of treatment which was reasonably adapted to promoting the physical or mental health of the patient and the treatment was administered in an emergency when the duly licensed physician or registered nurse or a person acting under his or her direction, or any other person rendering emergency care at the scene of an emergency occurrence, reasonably believed that no one competent to consent could be consulted and that a reasonable person, wishing to safeguard the welfare of the patient, would consent.

D. It is a defense to a prosecution pursuant to section 13-1404, 13-1405 or 13-1406 that the person was the spouse of the other person at the time of commission of the act. It is not a defense to a prosecution pursuant to section 13-1406.01 that the defendant was the spouse of the victim at the time of commission of the act.

E. It is a defense to prosecution pursuant to section 13-1404 or 13-1410 that the defendant was not motivated by a sexual interest. It is a defense to prosecution pursuant to section 13-1404 involving a victim under fifteen years of age that the defendant was not motivated by a sexual interest.

F. It is a defense to prosecution pursuant to section 13-1405 if the victim is of the age of fifteen, sixteen or seventeen, the defendant is less than nineteen years of age or attending high school and is no more than twenty-four months older than the victim and the conduct is consensual.

Essentially it says the same and means the same thing as the Tennessee Code Annotated but takes two separate codes to address the age difference between the victim and offender. My opinion is that the Tennessee Code Annotated is much more direct than the Arizona Revised Statute. Also, the Arizona Revised Statute definations of indecency are so broad that specific exemptions had to be made so that pediatricians and physicians can perform their medical prodecures without fear of prosecution. Tennessee's legislators simply assumed that a reasonable person would understand that the criminal law should only be applied when appropriate and that such decisions should be left up to the county or state prosecutor, the state medical board and the grand jury.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Ok here is what the law should be. If any guy knows the "rule" for dating it is: half the guys age + 7 = the minimukm age girl you should date and therefore fuck. Big grin


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User currently offlineFlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Florida is a little different.

Age of consent is 17.

Age of 16 is ALLOWABLE if the other is between 17-24. (MAMA Bill)



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