F.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 11 Posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 740 times:
I don't want Turkey to enter the EU because it's not part of Europe, but Asia. Their colture is too different by ours and the EU need first of all UK to get out and then to become more integrated before new states enter it.
I think we're still too weak and the risk is the EU to be only an "agreement", not the United States of Europe I want.
Whitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 730 times:
Tough.
If you don't like it, then stay out. Why should the EU change for outsiders? And why should it cut off one of the biggest economies in the world so as to satisfy a backward aspirant?
You might also want to think about this. The UK supports Turkish entry. Do you regularly shoot your friends?
L.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 714 times:
A United States of Europe that all speak different languages, have different customs, and which are all still soverign nations. Hmmm..that'll work out REALLY well!
Alessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 702 times:
Don´t BS, Turkey is neighbouring to Georgia,Azerbadijzan,Armenia,Iran,Iraq and
Syria. I don´twant that to be the other border to EU.
Bulgaria and Romania are the next ones online, Bulgaria is probably much easier to join than their northern neighbour...
Whitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 699 times:
I love the way in which all the little empire builders bash the British for actually having the temerity to try and get it to work as intended.
A trading bloc with harmonised tarriffs and human rights standards, rather than somebody's half-baked idea of a Greater European Empire with all the potential that has for economic and political disasters.
Especially those squeaking impotently at the sidelines.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 20853 posts, RR: 55 Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 657 times:
F.pier: I don't want Turkey to enter the EU because it's not part of Europe, but Asia. Their colture is too different by ours and the EU need first of all UK to get out and then to become more integrated before new states enter it.
Yeah, right... and some claim that even our ancestors climbing down from the trees may not have been such a bright move...
Right now, Turkey is still almost shockingly backwards in many respects and culturally far, far away from Europe. But they´re fighting hard to improve their country in order to make it fit for Europe.
They´re certainly not ready now. But 10 to 15 years are a long time when you´re really determined to change...
It is not so much that Turkey was fundamentally different but more that they´ve conserved attitudes that are long gone in most of the rest of Europe by now (and must be).
They´re different alright, but not necessarily too different to join. It´s much too early to tell, but it might still work...
F.pier: I think we're still too weak and the risk is the EU to be only an "agreement", not the United States of Europe I want.
It´ll never be like the USA - and that´s a good thing. Europe is different from the USA, not just still on its way.
That´s one of the things people like L.1011 don´t understand. Europe hasn´t erased the individual cultures - it actually makes them more visible.
Teva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1868 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 641 times:
Geographically speaking, a part of Turkey is on continental Europe.
And their history is linked to the European since the Greeks and Romans.
Remember the former names of Istambul: Byzance and Constantinople.
More recently, a part of the Balkans and Greece were part of the Ottoman empire.
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