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The War Is Going Well?  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041221/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush


So, all you Iraq war fans and supporters-B757300, Jcs17, DL021, James86, and all the other conservative members. Take a cue from your president-even he says how that the situation there isn't so great.

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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

I have to agree with you on this one. Things AREN'T going too well.

It's just too bad that most war protesters are/were not against the war per se, but they hate(d) Bush and used this as an excuse to pounce all over him.

Maybe someone finally needs to come out and say that maybe Iraqis don't want democracy. These are people who have, for generation after generation have been duking it out over lean-to shantys in the desert. They know no other existance.


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

Personally I didn't mind Bush too much before the war. I didn't really think highly of him, but I didn't think bad of him either. Then when the war started, shi-ite hit the fans, I kinda had the thought that it would turn out like vietnam, and lo and behold here we are.

Now with talk of Iran, I really sincerely hope that Bush doesn't pull a Nixon and invade the country covertly like Tricky Dick did to Cambodia. If this were to happen, I'd probably end up getting drafted.

I can honestly say that I don't know if I'd dodge or not, I might go fight if I'm drafted but I won't be happy about it.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

It's just too bad that most war protesters are/were not against the war per se, but they hate(d) Bush and used this as an excuse to pounce all over him.

I have to disagree, Matt. I think most people who say they are against the war are vehemently against it, and it only re-inforced the image they have of Bush. The two feed off each other.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

Matt D: I have to agree with you on this one. Things AREN'T going too well.

Surprise, surprise...  Pissed



Matt D: It's just too bad that most war protesters are/were not against the war per se, but they hate(d) Bush and used this as an excuse to pounce all over him.

Ridiculous. The factual arguments - which have all turned out to be correct beyond a doubt - were already reason enough. The universal disdain for Bush is a result of his blatant refusal to listen to anything rather than a cause for the complaints.


Matt D: Maybe someone finally needs to come out and say that maybe Iraqis don't want democracy. These are people who have, for generation after generation have been duking it out over lean-to shantys in the desert. They know no other existance.

Maybe some people will have to learn that dropping cluster-bombs and kicking down doors isn´t the proper way to convince others of the merits of democracy...  Insane


User currently offlineDmeeky243 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

I love it when others say that they (the people in the country) 'want' democracy, yet don't understand why its not working or why they don't 'grasp' the concept. Pretty simple on paper but harder to put into effect. We've had a handy 200 years to iron it out a bit, but still countries that are most likely to plung into civil war are emerging democracies.

The most dangerous transition is from long term dictatorship to a democracy.

Every crackpot faction has a voice and begins organizing. This is what happens when freedom comes popping out of its push-up bra, things get wobbly really fast. That's only the beginning of the usual chain of events that we've seen before in Latin America, Easter Europe and Afghanistan. Where do we go from here is my question?



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User currently onlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

ALL of this (Iraq) harkens back to fmr Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill (his name is on your money) when that rich old white conservative disclosed that he was absolutely shocked that at Dubya's 1st cabinet meeting (8 months before 9/11) Dubya starts asking 'How can we get in Iraq?'.. still.. to this day we don't know what propelled him to raise and push that question so doggedly!

1)Our nation had not been attacked...

2) Saddam was still a ruthless dictator... as was Lil' Kim (Jong Il -- who still is)

3)Yet more innocent civilians were being slaughtered in the Congo and Sudan.

So it could not have been 'a humanitarian issue' at the time he asked the question... because if it was.. he would have asked his buddies the Saudis.. to step it on the 'democracy thing' because we're gonna be 'selling it in a neighbor near you....'

For those of you who feel compelled to burp out 'That's old news. We're there now, so let's just finish it'...

Well don't you think it wise to know how it happened in the 1st place... so YOU don't get duped ...AGAIN! It's called history, and when you don't learn from it the 1st time... you asking to get bitten in the ass a second time.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineThecoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

It seems to me that people like to damn Bush no matter what -- regardless of what he says. That's what I like to do, anyway.



User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

History? You'd be better off if you read some I'd say based on historical facts when the United States fails to act.

We acted and now you are in it just like the rest of us up to your little neck and there is nothing you can really do except hope we win this fight.

Errrr, you do want to win don't you?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Bush has acknowledged that Americans' resolve has been shaken by grisly scenes of death and destruction. Yeah...people like the pigeon84 who cries and cries but does nothing.

Again, bright boy, I've asked you before: what would you like me to do? All I've heard from you Corporal_Rabb, is bitching about that I do nothing? What are you doing, besides bitching at me? I do what I can: make my views known. That's really all I can do, isn't it?

You're such a Bush sycophant, it's really amusing.

Yeah pidgeon, sure you do! Aid and comfort to the enemy..

With all respect, you can go to hell for such remarks, my friend. If exercising my constitutional rights to protest my government when I think it is wrong is aiding and comforting the enemy, then let's just trash that document and the Bill of Rights, shall we? You critisized Mr. Clinton, I'm sure, for all you were worth, but when I do the same to this president, I'm some kind of traitor?  Laugh out loud

Stick it where the sun don't shine, Corporal_Rabb. You're the absolute worst kind of American, who wants everyone to say "seig heil" and goose step with this man in Washington. Sorry, but I'll continue to be patriotic, and voice my opinion on what I think our government is doing wrong.

You'd be better off if you read some I'd say based on historical facts when the United States fails to act.

Maybe you, Corporal_Rabb, ought to read up on history about what happens when a nations strikes pre-emptively and without real justification. But I don't think you're smart enough to figure it out.


User currently onlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

We acted and now you are in it just like the rest of us up to your little neck and there is nothing you can really do except hope we win this fight.

Errrr, you do want to win don't you?


What you can't figure out in that little brain held up by a smaller is neck is that 'There is no winning' ...

This is a battle that can't be won. Sure the troops can ultimately come home from Iraq and Afghanistan.. but what's going happen HISTORY (your apparent weakness) will undo everything our troops have done. The people there have 'their way of doing things' and they will sink back into their long and storied way of getting this done.. as culturally and distasteful to us as it may be...


In a fight you shouldn 't be in... in the 1st place... there is never a winner.. grow the fcuk up and learn something.

Even when we do win... we still lose. The US vs Iraq (insurgents).. the US can beat any nation on the planet.. winning is not the question..idiot! It's learning from History...AGAIN!

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Commander Rabb, please stop while your behind my friend. You are just making this situation look worse. Your cover up's are getting old just like the Administrations. Face it, the war isnt going the right way.

[Edited 2004-12-21 06:02:42]

User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

BN747 The defeatest. Give in do you?

We should have known! In my book there is nothing worse.



User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Rabb,

Is this your book?  Big grin  Laugh out loud



User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

I think the problem now is how to solve the issue. I think nobody in his right mind is interested in a USA looking like a paper tiger (which will happen if the US pulls out unconditionally like in Somalia). But on the other hand, the insurgents and militants are slowly winning, like the Vietcong in Vietnam, simply because they are willing to sacrifice huge amonts of their own population.
Also, I think nobody in his right mind would like to have an anarchy in Iraq, where OBL and other radicals can find a lawless space to train and retreat, like Afghanistan under the Taliban.
Also, everybody should be happy to be rid of Saddam Hussein.

Now, the problem is that Bush´s attitude is seen over here as being arrogant and power hungry.
Almost all Europeans resent his "giving us the finger" attitude. I think with a new president Krry, there might have been a chance to get massive European support to get Iraq and Afghanistan sorted, with full UN approval.
I think e.g. Schroeder is secretly happy about Bush winning the election, because else Kerry would have asked for military support, which Schroeder couldn´t have denied, giving Schroeder lots of trouble at home.

The thing is that the current US administration drove the campaign into the mud. Nobody over here trusts the Bush administration, but I think in the end they´ll need Europe to get out of it again.
I see the American forces winning battles, just like in Vietnam, through theirt advanced technology, but loosing the war, because in the end it is the behaviour of the grunt on the ground that counts. What is the use of using a laser guided high tech bomb to destroy a terrorist´s safe house, if at the same time, you´ll destroy all other houses within 400 yards, turning everybody affected into new terrorists and terrorist supporters?


Jan


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

If for no other reason, the war is going well because the terrorists are swarming to Iraq where our military already is and we're inflicting disproportionate attrition upon them on a daily basis. It is better that the terrorists go where our military is, so we can kill them rather than the terrorists coming here and killing innocent civilians.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

You have all earned this for this liberal lovefest. Even the conservatives for lacking the common sense to not just let this left-wing circle jerk run its course and fall into page 2 oblivion




User currently onlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

BN747: "the US can beat any nation on the planet.. winning is not the question..idiot! It's learning from History..."

C'Rabb:BN747 The defeatest. Give in do you?

Proof positive that a human can very well be 'stupid and dumb' simultaneously... and totally unaware of both...

..and still be disqualified for the 'Special Olympics'...

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

I support the Troops, not the war.

CommanderCRAP said ...a constant anti-Bush and America RANT.

Suuuuure, asking our government the 'hard' questions (how/why/when/evidence?) is completely wrong, but totally brown nosing in their asscrack is fine because it makes you American???

I say you're more American when you speak out, use your 1st amendment right to question the gov and know the truth.

All I want is to know the truth - right now we're slowly figuring out that 1,500 AMERICAN soldiers have died for BUSH - not for protecting their country, but for Bush - because he LIED about war... And while we're at it, we're saying how great democracy is/will be - yet when more people die a year after the *Saddam the tyrant* we blame the insurgents...


Sure democracy is better, but at what price?

Is it at a price of 1,500 US soldiers who went and fought for lies our government spewed?

Is it at a price of 100,000 Iraqi civillian deaths a year (mind you the average for a year during Saddam was 60-70 thousand)?

Is it at a price of making our, no MY beloved country look like a bunch of arrogant, ignorant people who don't understand or realize that there are other nations/countries/opinions?

Is it at a price of taking America and bringing it from the most respected nation in the world to the same level as a 3rd world nation?


My answer is NO...

I'm as proud to be an American as any, but we HAVE to draw the line - We're not the only country in the world, we're not morally better, and we don't have the right to barge in to other countries and tell them how to run things while Bush tells Syria to get their nose out of our business. It's a double standard we have set, and we have to get rid of it. Bring back the American Dream!!!




I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

It is better that the terrorists go where our military is, so we can kill them rather than the terrorists coming here and killing innocent civilians.


Now there's the best damn line in this whole thread!


And here's the worst.


winning is not the question..idiot! It's learning from History..."


Thank God more people who have the ability to make changes think like the first line and not the latter.


Yes, thank God!






User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

If for no other reason, the war is going well because the terrorists are swarming to Iraq where our military already is and we're inflicting disproportionate attrition upon them on a daily basis. It is better that the terrorists go where our military is, so we can kill them rather than the terrorists coming here and killing innocent civilians.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

OMG, that one had me rolling! You are a piece of work, B757300!!! His new spin is the war is going well because we've let terrorists flood the country! HAHAHAHAHA!! Oh, stop it, you're killing me!!

You see folks-this is the idiocy of the extreme right. It speaks for itself.

Now there's the best damn line in this whole thread!

Of course you'd think that, Corporal, since you're as naive, as clueless, as ignorant as B757300. If you REALLY believe that was a great line, then you have absolutely no credibility. We tear a nation to shreds, we let terrorists in by the thousands, and YOU SUPPORT IT!!! Fool.

And this is the ignorant mindset we've put back into office. How CAN 59 million people be so retarded?


User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

And this is the ignorant mindset we've put back into office. How CAN 59 million people be so retarded?

Still bitter over the Bush victory? Your bitterness is clouding your reasoning.

Get over it already.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Bitter? Hardly. I do really wonder how so many people can be so conned by this group. The ignorance is amazing.

User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

You have all earned this for this liberal lovefest. Even the conservatives for lacking the common sense to not just let this left-wing circle jerk run its course and fall into page 2 oblivion

Captoveur: Nearly pissed myself at your picture message, but seriously, how is this a liberal lovefest and a left-wing circle jerk? The topic of this thread is Bush's admission that perhaps things aren't going as well as he would like. We didn't create this story. BTW, when Bush says "The bombers are having an effect," isn't that like saying "the result of the action was that there was a result?".

Logan

P.S. -

liberal: open-minded, accepting.
conservative: close-minded, rejecting.

Thus, to a conservative, liberalism is, not surprisingly, an abhorrent concept. To a liberal, conservativism is something we accept, and try to live with.

Now, which sounds more conducive to peace? Isn't peace the goal of every war? Or is it?


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

Things just took a huge turn for the worse....at least 20 US soldiers killed this morning in Iraq in an attack on a mess hall.

More kids without fathers and mothers so the Bush family can sleep in a nice warm bed in a nice big house in an exclusive neighborhood.


25 Boeing4ever : Logan22L, your definition of Liberal and Conservative is so far out of touch with reality, you should be ashamed of yourself. Conservatism, yes, you a
26 Post contains links Clickhappy : For all of you that are young, and support the war, why not go sign up for the Army or the Marines? I hear they are offering large signing bonuses, so
27 Logan22L : Boeing4ever: Logan22L, your definition of Liberal and Conservative is so far out of touch with reality, you should be ashamed of yourself. You've made
28 Boeing4ever : On that we agree Logan, except for the last part. A careful reread of Falcon's post shows a clear baiting and antagonization of some of our "colorful"
29 Commander_Rabb : More kids without fathers and mothers so the Bush family can sleep in a nice warm bed in a nice big house in an exclusive neighborhood. What a stupid
30 Post contains images Captoveur : "You too can loose an arm, a leg, or your vision" You make it sound like joining up is a sure way to lose a limb or die. If you look at the numbers th
31 Airplay : What a stupid comment. What more can you say about such idiocy? My last statement isn't so eloquently put, I admit. The intent was to comment on the B
32 Logan22L : If this thread was supposed to actually be an open forum for honest, intellectual discussion the title would have been more neutral and the opening po
33 BN747 : More kids without fathers and mothers so the Bush family can sleep in a nice warm bed in a nice big house in an exclusive neighborhood. What a stupid
34 Post contains images Klaus : B757300: If for no other reason, the war is going well because the terrorists are swarming to Iraq where our military already is and we're inflicting
35 AA777 : Captoveur... May I say that your little pic that u posted was very very terrible. lol... its SO terrible to laugh at..... SHAME SHAME! (Yet I sadly fi
36 Jalto27R : I'm tired of these threads Falcon84. You complain, but have no solution. Is the situation in Iraq worse then it was before we came right now? Yes, of
37 Logan22L : Jalto27R: I cannot and won't speak for Falcon, but to say he offers no solution is a bit disingenuous. Suck it up, stop pointing fingers, and help bui
38 Springbok747 : From reading all this, it looks like a.net is full of Bambi-loving, tree-hugging, Bush-bashing Democra(p)ts.
39 Jalto27R : The way I see it, it should not have been started in the first place, so you are basically saying "We've given you this pile of horse puke, build me a
40 Dmeeky243 : we gave them freedom, they don't seem so enthusiastic about it Read my first reply (#5) for more insight.
41 Post contains links Yukimizake : New allegations of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib prison will not help. http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2004/12/21/prisoner-abuse041221.html
42 Ltbewr : No, the Iraq war isn't going well at all from the USA's situation. I had serious reservations about our decision to go to war, if for anything else, t
43 LH423 : From reading all this, it looks like a.net is full of Bambi-loving, tree-hugging, Bush-bashing Democra(p)ts About the same amount of NRA card-carrying
44 N766UA : I find it to be an open inviation to terrorists to say that they're having an effect on our morale and whatnot. Seems to me that's encouraging them?
45 DL021 : War fan? When you have walked in my shoes and can discuss from experience what I feel about combat and war, then you are welcome to call me a war fan.
46 Post contains images Klaus : N766UA: I find it to be an open inviation to terrorists to say that they're having an effect on our morale and whatnot. Seems to me that's encouraging
47 Post contains images Thecoz : Very well said DL021, no wonder you are on my respected users list. My .02: I don't think the war is going well, but I think Iraq will slowly get bett
48 DL021 : Klaus.... Tell me what you think the Coalition should do to gain the confidence of the population and convince them that freedom and democracy are goi
49 Tbar220 : Oh sure, the war is going just dandy. Tell that to the eighteen U.S. soldiers who died today.
50 Clickhappy : You know what, you have your stereotypes all wrong. I drive an SUV (Range Rover), I like guns (S&W 6906), I ran over Bambi, I poor anti-freeze down th
51 DL021 : Click...If you are talking to me I don't recall dealing with any stereotypes. I believe that I asked for some constructive input rather than whining.
52 BN747 : I originally supported the idea for going to war, just like the majority of this country, based on the sure and certain knowledge that Hussein was not
53 Vafi88 : From reading all this, it looks like a.net is full of Bambi-loving, tree-hugging, Bush-bashing Democra(p)ts. When your country abolishes open seculari
54 Post contains images Falcon84 : What a stupid comment. What more can you say about such idiocy? I don't know, Private_rabb. That it's close to the truth? The idiocy is that you don't
55 Jalto27R : I could care less what you're tired of, kid. Like it keeps me up at night. If it were supporting the war, you wouldn't be tired of it, so I really, re
56 Post contains links DL021 : BN (hey did you know there is a cookie in France with the same name as you?) My military service aside (you are partially right w/ GW1), one simply ha
57 Falcon84 : Jalto, you're losing it. That was a pile of garbage, what you wrote. Chill out, kid. You support a disaster, and something that has damaged our nation
58 Jalto27R : Jalto, you're losing it. That was a pile of garbage, what you wrote. Chill out, kid. You support a disaster, and something that has damaged our nation
59 Falcon84 : This isn't a disaster, it is democracy at it's start. Bullshit. It's a disaster of major proportions, and it's going to lead to an Islamic government
60 Post contains images Klaus : DL021: Klaus.... Tell me what you think the Coalition should do to gain the confidence of the population and convince them that freedom and democracy
61 BN747 : I never said they could hit CONUS directly..I don't think that anyone ever said that.... No you didn't.. "But Dubya and Rice did! Their fear up that s
62 Dl021 : Sorry it took so long to respond, been working and Christmas shopping. Klaus....A fresh start is unrealistic. I also think that wishing for a differen
63 BN747 : I'm not capable of answering the detectability of the CIA of terrorist plots.. But I do know they have unlimted resources and an the apparatus in plac
64 Dl021 : Well...BN...nothing is impossible. If we quit every time that someone said it was impossible then we never would have won ww2 or made it to the moon.
65 BN747 : Remember, knowledge alone is not power, the effective use of knowledge is. We first have to know it, and then be able to use it. True... But "...I got
66 Dl021 : I hope you are wrong....I know of plenty of people who have misunderestimated our President and regretted it later. I hope you are doing so and we wil
67 BN747 : Look at the movie companies and what they sometimes spend millions upon millions on and then fail to put asses in seats. This vs Fortune 500 miscues a
68 Tbar220 : The war is going well? How can anybody defend this war? 100,000 dead in the name of democracy? Bullshit if you ask me.
69 DL021 : Tbar220....Millions have died in the name of democracy and freedom. How can you defend the sacrifices of those who defended yours? BN Nothing ventured
70 BN747 : Companies in the fortune 500 on the way up are the risk takers, and the ones who quit taking risks, big ones, are the ones who slide backwards. It's n
71 AAplatnumflier : Ok I got a question....we Go over and Nuke Japan....meanwhile we still have the terrorists and suicide bombers still having the authority to cause som
72 Post contains links Dan-air : The need for the US government, President Bush in particular to go out and do what his critics say cannot be done looms large here....and he is taking
73 JpetekYXMD80 : .....why did nuke Japan and not Nuke Iraq? Um, World War II ended in 1945. 40 years later the United States would be helping to install Saddam to powe
74 DL021 : BN I think the agreement on the difference between the movies and actual events is there. I did say that Iraq is more important, and was ironically un
75 AAplatnumflier : It was just something to throw out there. Obviously we are not doing well with Iraq. I just said it because I was asking why we would nuke Japan and n
76 Jalto27R : But this conflict with Iraq is going to be going on for years and years. It will be like Vietnam in a sense. In what sense exactly? We lost 50,000 tro
77 AAplatnumflier : Yes but we are faced against Gorilla attacks. What were we faced against in Vietnam. This will keep going on and on...and though the deats might not b
78 KYIPpilot : This will be NOTHING like Vietnam. Vietnam was a whole different war, in a whole different place, for a whole different set of reasons. The reason for
79 DL021 : Jalto....to be accurate we lost just over 50k troops over a ten year period in Vietnam, most of them between 1967 and 1970. AAplatnumflier....Guerrill
80 Falcon84 : Please, don't EVER compare this war to Vietnam. Please, Jalto, don't EVER lecture people on here about a war that ended two lifetimes before you were
81 Vafi88 : to be accurate we lost just over 50k troops over a ten year period in Vietnam Actually - to be accurate and UNBIAS and most importantly honest and hon
82 MD11Engineer : Ian, I think if the current Iraqi insurgents were as organised, trained and disciplined as the Vietcong / Viet Minh guerillas of the 1960s - 1970s, wh
83 Dl021 : Vafi88...you are correct in your exact number and I was not trying to minimize the losses, nor was it an intentional slight toward any of the brave me
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