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The USA - Why Not A Commonwealth Member?  
User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9179 times:

The United States has a long and historic bond with what was centuries ago, the British Empire. This long association, which later spawned a war (and later on still - independence) was (as would be expected) central to the formation of the federated states.

Seeing as the United States has had this association, I've often wondered why the United States never became a member of the Commonwealth of Nations. The USA would be free to enter the organisation at any time.

Why not now?

QFF

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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9170 times:

I would think that there is no need. Britain and the US didn't really warm up to each other until the end of the 19th century. By then the two countries had diverged a great deal. Plus, don't the commonwealth nations recognize the Queen as the head of State? If so, I believe that wouldn't go too well here at home.  Big grin

EDIT: Okay I just read your other post. So the Queen isn't the head of State.

[Edited 2004-12-22 22:15:44]


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9159 times:

Uh, no - absolutely not. Commonwealth members recognise the Queen as the head of the Commonwealth of nations - like how UN members recognise Kofi Annan as Secretary General.

It does NOT mean that the Queen is recognised as the head of state. Although there are a few nations who are also commonwealth members who equally share the Queen as their head of state.

The Commonwealth is a voluntary organisation - like the UN or APEC. It is a discussion forum and a large sporting body.

So again - Why isn't the US considering joining?

QFF


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3083 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9137 times:

Wouldn't that contradict the whole point of the Revolutionary War?


Chris



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User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9122 times:

Why would it?

It isn't the British Commonwealth - it is a collection of nations. I don't understand how your independence from the United Kingdom would have anything to do with it.

QFF


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9109 times:

Perhaps it's the historical basis and ideological overtones. The US spent many years of it's early life trying to differentiate itself from Britain. Although there are similarities, there are probably more differences between the US and Britain vs. say Canada or Australia. Besides, do you really want the US getting into the Commonwealth Games?  Laugh out loud


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9086 times:

Mdsh00 - Yes, we would like someone who could potentially beat us. Would make a nice change.

But in all seriousness it has nothing to do with the United Kingdom specifically.
Canada, Australia and the US are extremely different from the United Kingdom and I'm not sure how they are less different than the US is to Britain?

Many nations have fought wars to defeat British domination - many african countries for instance which now form part of the commonwealth of their own accord.

Remember - It is not the BRITISH commonwealth. It is as British as it is Australian, Tongan, Canadian, Nigerian, South African, Nauruan etc.

Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and Virginia are all commonwealths - it just literally means - the common wealth of a group of people/nations/government etc.

So again, why not join?

QFF


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9084 times:

I don't know then. *shrug*


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9084 times:

It isn't the British Commonwealth of Nation's but it used to be and it did grow out of empire. That historical connotation is still there for Americans. I doubt that American would cotton to recognizing the Queen as anything. Anything that smacks of British loyalism is a sore point amongst some quarters here - still! Sort of why the word Tory is a synonym for traitor in the US where it is just a name for the conservative party in the rest of the English speaking world.

And hell, half of the US believes that the antichrist dwells at the UN (My office is right near there and I've yet to spot him - but I'll keep looking and post to this forumif I ever find him) and fly in unmarked black helicopters. You think they are really ready to join another international organization?



I may be ugly. I may be an American. But don't call me an ugly American.
User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9073 times:

So the US shouldn't participate because the average American might think that the declaration of independence is on hiatus?

I think that is a shame. US participation in the commonwealth could bring with it added gravitas - and perhaps affect change more than what the organisation currently is.

QFF


User currently offlineUsatoeze From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 358 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9011 times:

So the US shouldn't participate because the average American might think that the declaration of independence is on hiatus?

Well it took two bloody world wars to get the USA to join a world organization like the UN. Remember even the League of Nations never had any teeth because the US never really joined...

The USA has a very maverick and independent streak that goes along with the Libertarian or Classic Liberal history of the country.

And the answer to your question: NO the US shouldnt participate in the Commonwealth because it would do absolutely nothing for the US.



War is a very poor political tool
User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8968 times:

And the answer to your question: NO the US shouldnt participate in the Commonwealth because it would do absolutely nothing for the US.

Well, what does APEC or the UN do for the United States? If nothing, why not leave them too?

QFF


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8961 times:

The Republic of Ireland left the Comonwealth during the early 40s and never came back, even though she still has close connections with Britain.


Jan


User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8959 times:

Cause we don't need too...



Wally Bird Ruled the Skys!
User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8955 times:

MD11Engineer - but commonwealth membership has NOTHING to do with relations with Britain. It is NOT a British institution.

QFF


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8951 times:

QFE,

But for many Irish, the Commonwealth still smells of the British empire, of which they were forced to be a part of. The attitude slowly changes though, there are talks about rejoining the Commonwealth.

Jan


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8933 times:

Be quiet with this dissent or we'll send the fleet after you. Big grin


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8930 times:

This smells like a mutiny  Big grin I agree with Gman94 above  Big grin


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8928 times:

hear hear GKirk

don't they realise who is boss?



cabin crew: doors to automatic and cross-check...
User currently offlineDeskPilot From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 8925 times:

Hey, all Australian were granted their "ticket of leave" in 1901.

So no more tipping our hats at the Pommy governors anymore.



By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?
User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8914 times:

Ticket of leave?????

Whoah - hold up there. You see what I mean about perpetuating stereotypes, Deskpilot??

Gman94, GKirk, and BA380 - I don't know if you were joking or not. Even if you were - what an utterly egotistical and arrogant things to say. I'm appauled at your disgusting remarks.

QFF


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8906 times:

So no more tipping our hats at the Pommy governors anymore.

Hahaha  Laugh out loud

don't they realise who is boss?

Well..you guys sure are not our bosses! Anyone can tell you that..LOL!



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8900 times:

Gman94, GKirk, and BA380 - I don't know if you were joking or not. Even if you were - what an utterly egotistical and arrogant things to say. I'm appauled at your disgusting remarks.

Come of it QFF, Do you really have no sense of humour at all? Sheesh  Yeah sure  Insane



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8897 times:

Gman94, GKirk, and BA380 - I don't know if you were joking or not. Even if you were - what an utterly egotistical and arrogant things to say. I'm appauled at your disgusting remarks.

Me thinks someone needs to lighten up a bit.  Sad



British Airways - The Way To Fly
User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8895 times:

Sense of humour? Surely there is no place for humour in aviation matters...


cabin crew: doors to automatic and cross-check...
25 DeskPilot : Qantasforever said "...Ticket of leave????? Whoah - hold up there. You see what I mean about perpetuating stereotypes, Deskpilot?? Sorry Qantasforeve
26 BA380 : alright then he is free
27 DeskPilot : But not free of Australia's convict, ocker, unsophisticated past.....
28 Post contains images BA380 : hey that is so outrageous. you should be ashamed of yourself. where were you dragged up? i think you should voluntarily resign from airliners.net and
29 QANTASFOREVER : Come of it QFF, Do you really have no sense of humour at all? Sheesh No. I have no sense of humour. None. Nada. I love it when people make fun of othe
30 GKirk : Obviously not a true patriot if your not proud of your country's past?
31 QANTASFOREVER : Lol - not proud of my country's past? Am I supposed to be proud of everything that has happened in Australia? What event(s) in history am I apparently
32 Post contains images GKirk : Well surely your proud of Steve Irwin's appearance on TV?
33 BA380 : given the bitching between the Brits and the Ozzies in this thread, I can't IMAGINE why the Americans don't want to join our disfunctional little club
34 QANTASFOREVER : GKirk - Don't mess with Australia. I owe that country way too much not to defend it. I'm dead serious here. Don't go there. GKirk - may I ask - are yo
35 GKirk : Scottish living in Scotland. Dont give a toss about the Queen or he commonwealth
36 QANTASFOREVER : Well, considering the fact that I would NEVER ridicule Scotland - why are you and others so keen on going after Australia? What has Australia ever don
37 Post contains images DeskPilot : QFF, is this past OK ?
38 Post contains images BA380 : cos we are jealous that you have great weather, a great outdoorsie lifestyle (impossible here, it's too cold and wet), a less stiff and tedious cultur
39 DeskPilot : QFF, I admire your patriotism. I wonder about your ability to handle gentle ribbing by others. This is mild "piss taking" compared to what occurs in t
40 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Hey, we ridicule Kirkie and Scotland all the time: Myself, Banco, Andreas, JGPH1A, Klaus, OYJRA.... especially if he starts flooding us! Or just what
41 Post contains images GKirk : QFF, I am not slagging off Australia, just having a laugh. If you want to have a laugh at Scotlands expense, go ahead I wont get offended as long as i
42 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Well, Kirkie, Practice your flooding first! Jan
43 Post contains images QANTASFOREVER : DeskPilot - YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!! Oh Sir Les - one of the few knighted Republicans. He is a good pal of Gough's - and we all know Gough's view
44 DeskPilot : GKrik said "..Well surely your proud of Steve Irwin's appearance on TV? .." A red rag to a QFF bull !
45 GKirk : QFF, Nobody is having a dig at Australia. Christ man, I've got relatives living down there and I would very much like to visit Australia.
46 QANTASFOREVER : Gkirk - but you are having a dig at Australia - and it's not funny. Put yourself in my position. Imagine having people from a European country continu
47 Post contains images GKirk : QFF, ok, but imagine living right next door to England You can't get any worse than that
48 MD11Engineer : QFF, What do you think what kind of jokes I´ve got to listen to whenever I´m in Britain or Ireland? Or from my American and British colleagues at wo
49 Post contains images GKirk : *Just dont mention the war*
50 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Exactly, Kirkie! Now, are you goosestepping around your uni cafeteria? Jan
51 QANTASFOREVER : MD11Engineer - It is a personal thing - and it is different for different people. Some people have more tolerance of jokes that ridicule nations - I h
52 Luisde8cd : Yeah lets all join the commonwealth, weeeeeeeeeeee!. Since it supposedly has "nothing to do with the British empire". Come on! who are you fooling her
53 Post contains images MD11Engineer : QFF, I just return in kind.... It also depends if it is just messing around, as with Kirkie or Banco, or if there are seriously meant insults thrown a
54 Post contains images GKirk : Jan, the French really are Cheese eating Surrender Monkeys
55 QANTASFOREVER : Luisde8cd- Members are required to have a present or past constitutional link to the UK or to another Commonwealth member. No they aren't. Explain Moz
56 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Kirkie, Don´t give mme this cr*p! For hundreds of years you Scots were allied with the French against the English.... but not very dependable to rthe
57 Post contains images Luisde8cd : Explain Tonga. Tonga became a British protectorate in 1900. That sounds like a strong link with the UK, doesn't it? Explain Mozambique. Let me quote w
58 Post contains images Derico : The Commonwealth was created for the same reason that the CIS of Former Soviet States was created, for the same reason the French invented their 'Fran
59 Post contains images Banco : Derico, the dreams of the Commonwealth were many, but a British Empire by proxy was not one of them. I can really see all the nations that are members
60 Derico : Banco, I don't doubt that TODAY the Commonwealth has evolved to another level. But you'd have a hard time convincing me that when the organization was
61 Banco : No, I don't think so. The principle founding issue (in reality) was to form a free trade area. That was the benefit for all that was involved. The con
62 NWADC9 : We can KILL a Commonwealth. I'm waiting for us to screw the UN and send them to France where they belong. We don't need to join a commonwealth, becaus
63 Post contains images Yukimizake : "but you are having a dig at Australia - and it's not funny" What a pathetic thing to say, I didn't think Aussies could be such sucks. Don't get mad,
64 Dirkou : Asking the US to join the Commonwealth is like asking a B747-400 to be part of a group of ATR leaded by a 737...no comments. Commonwealth is just like
65 Csavel : Plus if we joined the commonwealth, we'd have to eat Marmite. And how would you be able to tell the Commonwealth's unmarked helicopters from the UN's
66 Post contains images Dirkou : QANTASFOREVER: >No they aren't. Explain Mozambique. Explain Tonga. Simply explanation. $$$ >I feel I am qualified to say that the commonwealth has not
67 Daedaeg : QANTASFOREVER, after reading your posts i'm trying to figure out if you Love Australia or if you're In Love with Australia. Are you married to the cou
68 Post contains images Luisde8cd : We can KILL a Commonwealth. I'm waiting for us to screw the UN and send them to France where they belong. We don't need to join a commonwealth, becaus
69 FlyLondon : We can KILL a Commonwealth. I'm waiting for us to screw the UN and send them to France where they belong. We don't need to join a commonwealth, becaus
70 Yukimizake : "We can KILL a Commonwealth. I'm waiting for us to screw the UN and send them to France where they belong. ..... we're the most powerful country and r
71 Post contains images DeskPilot : Yukimizake said: "..What a pathetic thing to say, I didn't think Aussies could be such sucks. Don't get mad, get even... " Not this Aussie thank-you
72 QANTASFOREVER : OKay let me clear something up. Of course I recognise that the British Empire spawned the Commonwealth. However, todays Commonwealth of Nations couldn
73 Usatoeze : given the bitching between the Brits and the Ozzies in this thread, I can't IMAGINE why the Americans don't want to join our disfunctional little club
74 QANTASFOREVER : Usatoeze - You have no doubt arrived at this conclusion after a serious and extensive study. This is weird, I get the impression that most pro AFL pla
75 Post contains images XJRamper : We will settle this like men: We will have an sporting event tournament then to finish this off once and for all. We will meet in Sydney and play an o
76 Post contains images Springbok747 : ...and finally back to England for tea. And cricket...you forgot cricket XJR...
77 Post contains images XJRamper : I am terribly sorry. XJR
78 777236ER : QANTASFOREVER, there was a vote, you lost - deal with it.
79 Post contains images Springbok747 : I am terribly sorry. Thats allright
80 QANTASFOREVER : 777236ER - there was a vote, you lost - deal with it. What on earth are you talking about? QFF
81 XJRamper : Spring, do you like the idea though? XJR
82 Post contains images ClassicLover : The best thing about being a Commonwealth member is that we get to enter other Commonwealth countries for 90 days without a Visa. That's just totally
83 Post contains images Springbok747 : Spring, do you like the idea though? Yeah...sounds good That said, we also get to do the same thing with the USA, even if we have to be fingerprinted,
84 Post contains images Banco : Springbok747, are you really sure you want to come back for a game of cricket right now?
85 BNE : After the American War of Independence I don't think USA wanted anything to do with British. I don't think anything can be gain by the US entering the
86 NWADC9 : "Typical arrogant high school american teen attitude. Not even worth reading. If I could add you to a Least-Respected users list, I would have just do
87 Post contains images Springbok747 : Springbok747, are you really sure you want to come back for a game of cricket right now? Well..not right now, we're still in depression after the rece
88 Usatoeze : Usatoeze - You have no doubt arrived at this conclusion after a serious and extensive study. This is weird, I get the impression that most pro AFL pla
89 Post contains images Luisde8cd : Typical arrogant non-resident of this country who has no business to get into our business Kiddo, I hold a Green Card. I've lived in your country. Oh,
90 NWADC9 : "At least Im not the only one who thinks you are just and inmature f*cker who posts in A.net" You and what army?
91 MD-90 : Why should the US join the Commonwealth? Naturally, it's the other way around, of course. The UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc ought to join th
92 Yukimizake : NWADC9, Had you read replies # 69, 70, 71 & 72 you would not have needed to ask Luisde8cd "You and what army?. Why don't you act your age. Oops, sorry
93 KEno : I see that many American members here haven't a clue what The Commonwealth is all about. As a Malaysian, I don't see that the UK is the 'mother countr
94 Whitehatter : KEno It might be a talking shop, but if you compare the amount of good it does and contrast it against what it costs to maintain, then it's a lot bett
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