SFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2494 times:
I don't reallly know what to think about this. I hope some of our fellow Jewish A.netters would bring some light on this issue. The source is one the most respected newspapers in Israel.
Quote: "On Christmas Eve, known in Jewish circles as Nitel Night, the klipot (shells) are in total control. The klipot are parasitical evil forces that attach themselves to the forces of good. According to kabbala (Jewish mysticism), on the night on which "that man" - a Jewish euphemism for Jesus - was born, not even a trace of holiness is present and the klipot exploit every act of holiness for their own purposes."
AAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2481 times:
Well this all depends. The jewish classify themselves religiously into three different groups.
Reformed
Conservative
Orthodox
Reformed being the group that may not celebrate all of the holidays or any of them for that matter but they are still Jewish. Also they do not strictly enforce the beliefs of Judaism.
Consercative Jews are more times than not the ones that Keep Kosher. They are the ones that go to Temple for 8 hours and pray. They are very involved in the religion celebrating every Holiday.
Orthodox Jews are they Jews that keep Kosher and abide by everything humanly possible in the torah. They follow by all of these specific rules that are given to Jews that you are supposed to abide by but usually only the Orthodox do.
But anyways getting back to the Topic I believe that this is a myth. Also if I am correct with this then it was only a myth that we had. To be honest with you this event I havent heard of this.
Flyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2430 times:
Hey,
Im a jew and i dont believe that crap. just as there are christians who are holocaust deniers i am sure that there are jews who buy that bullshit, but its a similarly tiny and insignificant number. Don't worry, most of us love our christian counterparts. Feliz Navidad y Prospero Ano
AC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2388 times:
Bizarre, I've never heard of this and I'm Jewish...
I second that. I went through all my Judaic literature the other night, trying to find references to it, even works the works I have by Orthodox rabbis have no reference to it. Thanks to Google and that newspaper article it seems that this custom is limited to mostly hasidic and kabbalistic sects. Would make sense, the references to "parasitical evil forces" definitely sounds like something from kabbala which is controversial enough among Jews considering its disputed origins and is something beyond the realm of what nearly all will ever study or incorporate into their beliefs.
If this paragraph is true:
Abraham Isaac Sperling's "Reasons for Jewish Customs and Traditions (Bloch Publishing Company, 1968) explains that one chief reason for the development of Nitel customs was practical: Anti-Semites would ambush Jews and savagely beat them, sometimes even killing them, in the streets on Christmas Eve. Thus, the rabbis decreed that Jews should remain at home that night and not wander in the streets.
It shows what we already know, that hate and intolerance indeed only breeds more of the same.
SFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2357 times:
I think Flyboy36y and AC320 made good points. A small and specific Jewish sect, the Hasidim, practices this hateful Nitel Night “tradition”. According to the newspaper's article, even other ultra-Orthodox groups don't follow it. Having said that, I wonder what should be a correct reaction to these offensive words and practices. I'm sure no Jew could, rightfully, respect those so-called Christians groups that deny the Holocaust and promote racism. Well, knowing what I know that, those Hassidic Jews are a bunch of racist nuts, still living in the past.
Thanks to our fellow A.netters who help us to understand this, indeed, bizarre topic.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 28 Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2352 times:
SFO,
It might be bizarre, but I don't see how its "hateful" and "racist".
SFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2357 times:
Tbar220:
Just read these quotes from the Haaretz article. I think they are clear enough, specially the "horrific night", "Christianity as waste material excreted from the body of the Jewish people" and "those who bow down before vapor and emptiness."
"For this reason, Nitel Night, from nightfall to midnight, is one of the few occasions when Hasidim refrain from Torah study. On this horrific night, they neither conduct weddings nor do they go to the mikveh (ritual bath)."
"The Knesset correspondent of the ultra-Orthodox newspaper Hamodia, Zvi Rosen, relates that celebrated Hasidic admorim (sect leaders) would cut a year's supply of toilet paper for Sabbath use (to avoid tearing toilet paper on Sabbath) on this night. Actually, this disrespectful act has profound kabbalistic significance, because kabbalistic literature extensively discusses Christianity as waste material excreted from the body of the Jewish people. Today, precut toilet paper for Sabbath use is available on the market; thus, the custom's relevance has diminished."
"However, the biggest paradox concerns the procreation mitzvah (commandment). It is recommended that the commandment be observed on Friday night, which is a holy time. Yet on Nitel Night, which has no holiness, it is customary to refrain from observing the commandment, because of the fear that a Jewish child conceived on Jesus' birthday could become an apostate."
"One Nitel custom in the Diaspora was to recite the entire "Aleinu Leshabe'ah" prayer out loud. The prayer includes the phrase "those who bow down before vapor and emptiness," customarily uttered in a whisper throughout the year, so that gentiles would not hear the words. On Nitel Night, it was customary, after it had been ascertained that no non-Jews were around, to loudly utter the forbidden phrase."
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