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Rumsfed....UAL93 Was Shot Down  
User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

But By Who!!!!!!!!

DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: And to change that way of living, would strike at the very essence of our country.

And I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York,.......... shot down the plane over Pennsylvania........... and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word "terrorized" is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be.

This was said while talking to the troops just a few days ago.....I thought the original story was that the Terrorist crashed the plane into the field....Did Donald do a big ooops......there were repots that they found doors and bagagge up to ten miles away but they were discounted quickly in the early days.......I think Donald did a big MUFF........

Makes me now wonder about AA77.......It is funny that all of the streetlight poles in the supposive glide angle were not even touched

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0412/24/nfcnn.01.html

Read it for yourself.....


Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Sounds like a mere semantics issue to me, unless Al-Qaida has an air force with its own planes operating in the US...Rummy picked the wrong word, thats all, or had a slight slip of the tongue (less likely IMO, since I dont believe UA 93 was shot down personally, but thats just me)...the people who form the subject of this sentence are all referring to terrorists, so if you fit that into the quote (I added it in there), it wouldnt make grammatical sense at all for it to refer to the USAF shooting down UA 93...

"people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, (people who) shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate,"

Sorry if what I'm trying to say isn't that clear, but I cant really spit out what Im trying to say into words that clearly at the moment...I apologize in advance, maybe one of you understands and can clarify for everyone else...

Greg



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User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Why does Rummy always get a pass......GREG........how in the hell do you have a slip of tounge like that......

Rummy need to go......he continues to prove everytime he gets in front of the mic to prove his incompetance.......He is nothing but a Corporate Kronmie.



Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Care to have his job then?

XJR



Look ma' no hands!
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

XJ,

What does that have to do with the discussion?



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Big f&cking deal. Why do people have to search for every little word as evidence of incompetance? Get a life.

Anyway, if you'll read the 9/11 report, you'll see that they could not have shot down that plane over Penn., because they didn't know where it was at the time.

Charles


User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

i met a guy from an F-18 Squadron that claimed he knew the pilot that fired the missile that shot that plane down..... i always wondered about that....

what really matters is that those people lost their lives....



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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1869 times:
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It was shot down. Debris was scattered over miles.

The Pennsylvania state police said debris from the crash has shown up about 8 miles away in a residential area where local media quoted some residents as seeing flaming debris from the sky.

But investigators were unwilling to say whether the presence of debris in two separate places evinced an explosion.


Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene.


If the plane crashed, or reportedly "nosedived" into the ground, debris would not fly 8 miles away.... not even 6. There is no way that would happen. Mostly small pieces of debris less than 2 feet long. What does that say? It says mid-air explosion and breakup to me. The idea of the american heros is nice.... and it is probably true. However, its also probably true that the plane was shot down...... there is one crater, and a small bit of debris.... where was the plane?? If debris was scattered all over the place, MILES away, it is impossible that it could fly that far.

-AA777

http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_secondary_debris_field.html look at the website, and its links, where it got its information from; newspaper reports etc.


User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days ago) and read 1774 times:

Could the man hijacking the plane have pushed the engines to hard and had it gone into a deep descent....caused by the terrorist trying to crash the plane..... causing an explosion somewhere in the plane or even an engine explosion?. I do think it is kind of weird that that plane was shot down and none of the other ones werent.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Big f&cking deal. Why do people have to search for every little word as evidence of incompetance? Get a life.

You responded, Charles, so who doesn't have the life?

I think he just mis-spoke, to be honest, or he let go a big secret that wasn't intended. I think the former is most likely.


User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2146 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

This coming from the guy who doesn't have the time to personally sign a death letter to the family of fallen soldiers. Makes me sick...

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

met a guy from an F-18 Squadron that claimed he knew the pilot that fired the missile that shot that plane down..... i always wondered about that....

Where'd ya meet this Hornet driver (was he a pilot?)/what was he doing letting sensitive information out? (if he wasn't BS-ing you about it, and if it were somehow true, he'd be blurting out something that shouldn't be said)....if he were talking to you about it, I vote he was just joshing you.

I vote that it was just a slip of the tongue....nice try Rsmith. Try again.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1538 times:

Oh gezus, not this shit again.

People, the aircraft was nosedived into the ground intentionally by terrorists. There was no indication at all on the cockpit voice recorders of an "impact" by a missle or any other means of weapons. The tapes were heard by family members. There was a photograph released shortly after 9/11 showing a mushroom cloud from the aircraft a few seconds after impact. There was absolutely no sign of trailing smoke. Zero. None. Nadda.

Although Cheney had given authorization to shoot down UA 93, it did not happen. Besides, if they did shoot it down, what would they have to gain by covering it up? The military would have been given credit for potentially saving hundreds even thousands of more live by downing this aircraft.

Some people have waaaay to much imagination.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Agree with everything you said in your post, Boeing_nut.

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

BoeingNut hit it right on the head....those grizzly CVR tapes showed well enough the gravity of what happened. Trust me, when you splash a jet that big, people tend to notice....that 757 became a lawn dart right into the dirt, just as all the evidence shows.

If anything, if a shootdown did occur, the pilot who did it would have been public by now, and would have felt heavy for calling Fox 2, but would also have been hailed as a hero for doing his duty in a time when guts were the only thing keeping that jet off of the Whitehouse lawn. I could only respect a man who could pull the trigger and do that sort of job.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

So How do you exactly have a slip of the tounge and say...... shot down the plane over Pennsylvania............thats not exacly somthing your brain would tell the mouth to say if it never happend.


Truth Does Have a Funny Way of Revealing itself, I wonder if someone in the pres this week will ask him to clarify.....Doubt It!!!!



Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Got ya a fresh bottle of both of your favorites...


DeltaGuy


User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Listen to these ATC comms.


I would imagine if the plane was shot by a missle someone would have said something. Pilots do mention seeing black smoke but it sounds like the plane had already hit the ground.


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

So How do you exactly have a slip of the tounge and say...... shot down the plane over Pennsylvania............thats not exacly somthing your brain would tell the mouth to say if it never happend.

Again, it was a slip of the tounge. The aircraft was not shot down. Get over it and get on with your life.


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

Well first we should note that the link is a RUSH transcript, so it's not perfect like some done a few days later is. So he could have said brought down, and the transcriber may have miss heard.

Even if he did say shot down, it's simply a slip of the tongue because it would actually look better for the administration of they shot it down.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineStowAway From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 640 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

Rsmith, you a paying a great disrespect to the people who died on 9/11 by using exaggerations to push your hatred against the current administration. I always say this about your posts...... it is asinine, and sickening.


A monkey's ass always talks crap.
User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

Stowaway


Wanting to know the truth is not disrespectful. Rummy can make mistakes...slips of the tounge and he and Bush always gets a pass....no one ever holds them accountable....NO-ONE.



Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
User currently offlineStowAway From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 640 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Oh come on, the liberal main stream media is always licking their lips waiting for Bush or Rumsfield to make a mistake. That is a given.

Look, I never mind a slip of the tongue every now and then. None of us really know what it is like to be in those shoes. I do mind when people like yourself are constantly on the hunt for something to blow out of proportion. Make it constructive, or just keep quiet.




A monkey's ass always talks crap.
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

This coming from the guy who doesn't have the time to personally sign a death letter to the family of fallen soldiers.

As said to me by a 20 year retired US Marine that I work with, "So what, show me the precedent that said he had to actually sign each letter"



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineYu138086 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1273 times:

To other parts of the world, this is NOT news. The plane was reported as shot down by the US airforce almost as soon as it happened. The story was later changed so the American public would not panic at the thought of the White House/ Congress coming under attack.

Rumsfeld's slip indeed.


25 PPGMD : Yu138086, And most of the world considers the US the great Satan, or some derivative of that thought. Anyways if it was shot down, wouldn't it have be
26 DeltaGuy : Rsmith, you probably wonder why your RR number is a big fat ZERO. I don't have to wonder one bit, the writing's in the sky so to speak. DeltaGuy
27 AA777 : Anyways if it was shot down, wouldn't it have been better for the administration for it to have been announced because it was accused to be asleep at
28 PPGMD : AA777, Have you read the Patriot Act? I have overall it has many good measures, it has some poorly worded measures, and a couple of down right stupid
29 Rsmith6621a : Delta Guy......Said.....Rsmith, you probably wonder why your RR number is a big fat ZERO. I don't have to wonder one bit, the writing's in the sky so
30 AA777 : PPGMD, I cannot say that it has directly impinged on my rights, although everytime I fly anywhere I am "randomly" called to be searched.... I am appar
31 PPGMD : AA777, I am of Persian descent. Not only do I fly around regularly, by I also go overseas on a regular basis these days (with a possible trip to Iraq
32 Ltbewr : Rumsfeld is, for good reason, a #1 target right now of anybody against the war in Iraq in the way it prepared for and has proceeded. Yes, he made a sl
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