Jfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3 Posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2741 times:
This is a question I have always asked myself... What exactly makes something living... Obviously you think you and I are living... Most likely you think a dog and cat are... What makes us really have our own body of thought and not just a bunch of atoms stuck together? If I have my entire body transplanted one piece at a time... At what point am I no longer myself? If we make a perfect replicate human from scratch.. Is it real? Is it really thinking? At what point does something that's just a bunch of molecules become something that can think, love and feel? Just remember there is no answer.. Just opinions...
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8523 posts, RR: 46 Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2719 times:
That's whern we'd get into serious ethical trouble - would this "Data" be a form of life? Biologically yes, if it fed on things growing around it and left behind nothing but degradable, well, "stuff". Ethically? No way to tell (yet), we don't really know if plants have a conscience, but we do consider them to be forms of life.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Jfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2680 times:
yea I know what catagorizes something as living.. but what about when does something actually become a thinking body? If one created a human robot.. that eats food like us... breathes like us has a pulse like us... Is it something that can feel? Would you feel bad throwing it off a building.. or was it just a machine? What I am basically getting at is do you believe that there is something that has not yet been discovered that makes something actually exsist... Because if you break it down.. all you are is a bunch of molecules that interact in different ways with hormones and other things in your body... I honestly think its a question that is impossible to answer..
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2676 times:
The ability to function in some capacity...whether it be a plant doing photosynthesis, or a baby kicking in it's mother's womb....both those have the ability to die as well....you can't die if you were dead from the getgo.
I think it's rather simple really....plants don't have heartbeats/brainwaves, but you find people protecting their rights more than you have people protecting unborn children's rights.
Jfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2649 times:
Hey I started this thread ... no this is what I am getting at.. he stated as most people would that no they wouldn't feel bad killing a robot.. its just a machine... now what If the robot uses a human heart to pump blood... would you feel bad yet? what about if the nerves are all those just like a human.. what if it has a brain thats an exact model of a humans brain... Would you feel bad yet? At what point is something not just a bunch of matter... but its something that actually feels?
XJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2440 posts, RR: 51 Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2644 times:
your original question was not about AI, but what makes something living. to that i say nutrients. everything needs nutrients to survive, if not...drum roll please...it dies. there are no man made parts involved. sorry robot poster.
At what point is something not just a bunch of matter
everything is matter, to our human brains do we assign value.
Jfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2643 times:
ok maybe I worded the initial question wrong... when does something have a soul... when would you feel bad killing something... what gives it its soul, and not just a body of matter that does a bunch of computations..
this quote kind of shows what I am talking about..
There’s little doubt that by the year 2035, you’ll be able to buy the compute power of a human brain for the price of a lunch. That’s right: a chip with the processing power of that gray CPU in your skull will cost no more than a single bill out of the ATM machine.
Now admittedly, there are some who believe that, despite such capability, machines will never be capable of human-style intelligence. But that suggests that there is some sort of unfathomable miracle going on between our ears.
Jfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2636 times:
oh screw this I give up lol.. i think i'll have better luck posting this at deepphilosophers.com or something
Isn't there anyone out there that understand what I am saying??? Your brain does computations and so does my computer... But for some reason i feel bad throwing you off a building but i couldn't give a sh*t about my computer.. What is it inside us that makes us able to decipher things that even the most powerful computers and best programmers cannot, even though computers can handle so much more raw information then us.
Jfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2629 times:
well obiously a computer can see if you add a camera lense... hear with a microphone and i'm sure you could make a computer that has all the senses a human does.. but no matter what you do.. it just won't have the same "common sense" if you will, that a human does..