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UN Claims US Is Stingy With Tsunami Aid  
User currently offlineVSLover From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1894 posts, RR: 23
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3102 times:

after the UN claims that US aid for the tsunami is stingy...

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041228-122330-7268r.htm

....i had a thought. well indonesia is primarily muslim, and have we heard of other arab and or muslim dominated contries step up?

how about osama bin laden? we know he has plenty of money.

i am not politicizing the atrocity of the earthquake and tsunami--though the UN is attempting to do so.

while i'm sure other contries (including those i mention above) will contribute large amounts of money for the recovery effort, why does the UN make such an effort to single out the US contribution?

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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

If you'd bothered to read the article, or perhaps not attempted to put your own spin on it, you'd tell us that Jan Egeland said that the US and other Western countries, including Europe were 'being "stingy" with relief funds, saying there would be more available if taxes were raised.'



User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

It don't think they necessarily singled out the US. In the third paragragh it says the undersecratary suggested the US and 'other Western countries' were being stingy. After reading the article I got the feeling that Mr. Egeland was politicizing the tradedy himself suggesting the West isn't Socialist enough for him. The reason I say this is because even if taxes are raised as he suggests, it doesn't necessarily mean more funds would be available for disaster relief. On the contrary, extra funds and even more would probably be tied up in the programs that go along with increased taxes.


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Well, people here in Sweden are furious with the PM and the FM due to lack of organization and many claim Finland and Italy was responding much faster.
+100000 dead in 12 countries is a lot....



User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

Jetservice is spot on.

I wonder if the UN is just upset that the bulk of aid coming from the US will not be funneled through the UN...rather it will go to organizations like the Red Cross and Red Crescent?

But he really shouldn't worry as the US has a history of giving aid to those affected by natural disasters.



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

I don't know about the UN claims, but it does seem a bit strange that countries have offered only 10 or 15 million dollars for the aid effort. It is 2004 and that little money isn't going to get anyone anywhere, even if we're talking about some of the poorer countries in the world.

Whilst it is true that some of the affected countries don't need the financial assistance, many of them do. And all of them can use a hand with doctors, emergency supplies and other personnel.

The UN's tax suggestion is beyond ridiculous though. Nearly any country in the world can cough up with a few million dollars without any effort. Hell, India's one of the worst affected countries and taxes aren't being raised here.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

I wonder if the UN is just upset that the bulk of aid coming from the US will not be funneled through the UN...rather it will go to organizations like the Red Cross and Red Crescent?

How do you work that out? The article posted has nothing at all to do with that.


User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

There is no doubt that more aid will come soon from the USA, probably via the Red Cross/Red Cresent and other NGO's not connected with the UN, and it will be many millions. I agree that as part of the affected countries are predominetly Muslim, that rich Muslim countries and citizens should give some money (and keep it away from terrorists) especially to Muslim areas.
Probably the USA would lend the use of some of it's military resources, especially as to communications, helicoptors, rescue, food/water processing and transport, transport aircraft, but far too much of it is tied up in Iraq.


User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

Just a question posed by me on the thought process of the UN as an organization.


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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

The federal government has no authority to give away Americans' dollars as foreign aid or even for disaster relief. It's unconstitutional.

The states can, however, and Americans are known to be a generous people with donations to charity (they'd be much more generous if the average tax rate was 40%).


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Looking at this from the logistics standpoint, coming up with large amounts of money on short notice is not easy. At any given time a country may have some unreserved cash avialable, but to come up with more than that takes a serious rebudgeting effort. Even when you are operating in debt, you still only have a finite amount of money to go around. Given time I am sure the US and other countries will be able to free up more more money and other forms of aid. Given the response to other natural disasters, I hardly think the US and other European countries have a history of being stingy.


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

The federal government has no authority to give away Americans' dollars as foreign aid or even for disaster relief. It's unconstitutional.

The states can, however, and Americans are known to be a generous people with donations to charity (they'd be much more generous if the average tax rate was 40%).


This coming from the genius that didn't vote because he thought it legitimised the government.


User currently offlineFlyLondon From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

I saw Colin Powell on TV saying of the appeal for $7m from the International Federation of the Red Cross that the US had given $4 - if that's the case its not stingy at all. Haven't they given an initial $15 with more to come based on assesments? What everyone has pledged so far is just initial ammounts

$30m from Japan
$15m from USA
AUD10m from Australia
EUR3m from the EU (in addition to member states contributions)

There are others and these are just initial contributions from Governments. Much more will come from them and also from appeals inside countries.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

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Those of us who give voluntarily to charity.



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User currently offlineClipperHawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

U.N. Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Jan Egeland suggested that the United States and other Western nations were being "stingy" with relief funds, saying there would be more available if taxes were raised.

"It is beyond me why are we so stingy, really," a Norwegian-born U.N. official told reporters. "Christmastime should remind many Western countries at least, how rich we have become."
"There are several donors who are less generous than before in a growing world economy," he said, adding that politicians in the United States and Europe "believe that they are really burdening the taxpayers too much, and the taxpayers want to give less. It's not true. They want to give more."


Just another UN jackass. Ignore him and his crying silly comments. What has the U.S. done? 15 million dollars, 21 aircraft, disaster relief teams and all the logistics of the United States. That's just to start.

Please Mr. UN official, go back to your cubby hole and your desk and worry about where you will have a your dinner tonight at some swanky New York restaurant.  Yeah sure






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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

Another Num-nutz from the UN bitching, what a surprise.



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User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

It's so typical. It's sad to see that people are bashing eachother in terrible disasters like this.
I know Denmark has aided 10 mio DKK. That is around 1.75mio USD.
And they were talking about sending more money.
And the Red Cross in DEnmark have been very busy. More than 20.000 danish people wants to give money and work for free.

That is really nice to see. And I'm sure they are doing that in other countries as well.

ANd I saw that part about the swedish government as well. It's so damn typical. People just don't know how long it takes to set up emergency recues like this.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16927 posts, RR: 48
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

I'll donate as soon as the UN does something in the Sudan. I might die of old age first though...


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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3329 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

I heard that countries like the US, Canada and some European nations are waiting for more information to come out before they donate money to the disaster relief.


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Slamclick is spot on with that one  Big thumbs up

Alright, would you give money to an organization who's already, time and time again showed fiscal irresponsibility, and the ability to funnel that money right back to their own pockets? That's like putting your money in the shredder and hoping it gets over to the homeless shelter somehow.

The US's aid dollar is better served giving directly to the Red Cross and other relief agencies....not through a crooked excuse for a United Nations.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8615 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

Whaa whaa, and here we go... US bashing UN round 4,172. Seriously, can't you guys come up with anything than "the UN is crap and takes up way too much space in Manhattan"?  Insane

Oh, and I might add that Germany (the government) donated €2,000,000 immediate aid; however, that may be more now since my info is several hours old. In addition to that, a MEDEVAC A310 is going to fly to Thailand soon.

[Edited 2004-12-28 21:37:24]


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User currently offlineJalto27R From United States of America, joined May 2004, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Oh, and I might add that Germany (the government) donated €2,000,000 immediate aid; however, that may be more now since my info is several hours old. In addition to that, a MEDEVAC A310 is going to fly to Thailand soon.

Congratulations, and the US has sent, what, 20 some odd aircraft, disaster relief teams, and a descent amount of dough considering the fact that they don't know where it will all exactly go. Emergency coordination takes TIME.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8615 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

"20 some odd aircraft"

You mean USAF aircraft or civilian ones to get people out?

"disaster relief teams"

Just like we did. And the French. And probably a heap of other nations.
__

Dude, no need to defend yourself or your country. I was just trying to show how "the West" isn't necessarily "stingy" with aid; in addition to pointing out how stupid I find these "the UN is crap" threads.



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User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

I agree that as part of the affected countries are predominetly Muslim, that rich Muslim countries and citizens should give some money (and keep it away from terrorists) especially to Muslim areas.

Two countries are Muslim -- Aceh (in Indonesia) and the Maldives. Sri Lanka, India and Thailand are not Muslim. Other minor affected countries such as Malaysia and Bangladesh are 'Muslim' nations, but are relatively unaffected.

But anyway, from:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2EE5995E-555C-4E65-9F7D-488F2D1963C0.htm

Qatar is sending $10 million to the victims while the United Arab Emirates has directed the country's Red Crescent Society to send emergency aid to the disaster-hit areas.

Kuwait's Red Crescent Society has launched a fundraising campaign after the government said it was sending $1 million to help the victims.


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an annoyed Secretary of State Colin Powell said Washington was "the greatest contributor to international relief efforts in the world."

From: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2EE5995E-555C-4E65-9F7D-488F2D1963C0.htm

Among individual countries, Japan said it would provide $40 million for emergency food, medicine and shelter, of which $30 million would be provided directly, and almost $10 million via non-governmental bodies.

In Washington, the US government pledged nearly $15 million in immediate aid and promised more to come, including $4million to the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.


If Australia can immediately give AU$10 million with the promise of a lot more to come, in addition to relief and medical teams, etc, etc, then YES, I am sure that the so-called bastions of capitalism and all that is good in the world, the US and EU can come up with something better than a piddly EUR1 milion (from Germany) or US$15 million (from US).

It's a fair call from the UN on this one I feel.


User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

US aid is up to over 30 mil with more coming. I'd say his point-the first one-was anything but a "fair call."




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25 Aloges : Errr... and Australia isn't part of the big, bad stingy West? Not trying to make a point here, besides "DON'T GENERALISE!"
26 ClipperHawaii : It's a fair call from the UN on this one I feel. Then you had better tell that UN official that because he said he "was misquoted" and it is not true.
27 Dvk : Jan has already backed down, saying his statements yesterday were "misinterpreted". Obtaining and activating the financial and physical resources need
28 Post contains images Russophile : US aid is up to over 30 mil with more coming. I'd say his point-the first one-was anything but a "fair call." Still lagging at least $10 million behin
29 Dvk : Oh Brissie, I know you too well. My head's not anywhere it's not supposed to be. I've read your rants for years now. You have all the answers, all the
30 EA CO AS : I heard a woman on a talk show last night bemoaning the amount of money the U.S. was donating to the relief efforts. She said she wanted to see it in
31 Post contains links Jalto27R : http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041228/D878TEPG1.html
32 777236ER : So to those people who think we MUST find a way to send $300 million, I ask you - what schools or homeless shelters in the U.S. do you propose we take
33 Jasepl : If the government can only afford to send $30 million (keeping in mind that several times that amount will likely be donated by U.S. citizens to entit
34 Post contains links Jamesag96 : Interesting story...seems Sri Lanka had an issue with Israeli aid... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4130599.stm "Sri Lanka restored diplomatic
35 Iakobos : Some general perspective How do U.S. aid levels compare with those of other countries? The U.S. foreign-aid budget as a percentage of gross national p
36 Post contains links Iakobos : For Maverick, http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=12898&Cr=sudan&Cr1= A peaceful solution, condoned by Khartoum, was the objective from the s
37 BA : The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is donating $10 million. As mentioned already, Kuwait, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates have already pledged aid. Regar
38 ANCFlyer : Screw the UN . . . the guy was misquoted anyway . . . As I said in another post in a different thread, the UN is an outdated, outmoded, antiquated org
39 Post contains images Solarix : Maybe instead of buying nice suits and eating at fancy restaurants this guy can actually donate himself. Maybe we should blame Jan Egeland for not do
40 Falcon84 : Stop your sniping at each other ,guys, and instead, make a donation to a charitable organization on behalf of the victims of this incredible human tra
41 Vafi88 : So to those people who think we MUST find a way to send $300 million, I ask you - what schools or homeless shelters in the U.S. do you propose we take
42 L-188 : Well minister Egg-head, seems to be complaining about the fact that a given nations GNP is outpacing the level of aid a country has typically given in
43 Flyingbronco05 : The US doesn't have any money to spend. We have the largest deficit in US history and fighting a useless war. It's no wonder we aren't supplying a ton
44 Bravo7e7 : This is all a fundemental issue. While the U.S government may not be donating sufficient funds to the relief fund, the American people are. Per capita
45 Jamesag96 : Good lord FB, are you not paying attention? The US is not supplying a "ton of aide"?
46 Jasepl : Strange, isn't it. Whilst a lot of the rich West is bickering and being relatively stingy with it's chequebook, India, with over 12,000 of her own dea
47 ANCFlyer : relatively stingy with it's chequebook Might need to save some money for the next third world country that comes begging for help. Seems everyone alwa
48 Falcon84 : I just gave $25 USD to the Red Cross. I urge all of you to do something similar.
49 Post contains links Diamond : It is amazing that those of you who hate the U.N. so much are hanging this whole matter one one guy from that organization who just happened to point
50 Venus6971 : Just got done watching CNN, 700 Marines from Okinawa on the way to Thailand to help with clean up, Somalia has over 10000 killed I wonder if the U.S.
51 Jasepl : Yeah. What Diamond said ^^ That, and as many people on ANet are all to quick to point out - albeit in other corcumstances - it doens't matter what was
52 Lehpron : Nature created the tsunami not pseudo-terrorists, so the Sudan comparison with regards to the UN is bullshit. To the world: if the stingy countries ev
53 Jasepl : Might need to save some money for the next third world country that comes begging for help. Seems everyone always looks to the USofA when the shit hit
54 ANCFlyer : Jasepl Of course, your rant totally ignores the fact that none of the affected countries came to the USofA with a begging bowl. Nor did any of them ac
55 Post contains images L-188 : relatively stingy with it's chequebook Well there you go, There's the problem. We where looking for the CHECKBOOK We had no idea what you were talking
56 Jasepl : Here's exactly what I said: "Whilst a lot of the rich West is bickering and being relatively stingy with it's chequebook...." What was it then that ma
57 L-188 : Jasepl, I was making a joke, that is why I put the smiley face in it.
58 Jasepl : L-188, I was replying to ANCFlyer's post. I didn't even see yours... You sneaked that in whilst I was typing my response!
59 L-188 : Ok. A Check. Sure I can write a check, hell why don't I pay the whole damm thing off right now!
60 ANCFlyer : I never said you were talking solely about the US . . . we are part of the "a lot of the rich West" that you are talking about . . . I'm only defendin
61 Jasepl : Ah, so that's what it was... Self defence! As for America being the largest contributor of foreign aid, why should that be surprising or even notewort
62 BA : Will you guys stop this silly bickering and this bashing from side to side! If you all watched Larry King Live today Jan Egeland was a guest. He expla
63 Jaysit : I still think though that offers of $15-30m are stingy, whichever way you look at it. It's pathetic. But you see, all our money is going into that end
64 ANCFlyer : Fair enough . . . everyone is entitled to an opinion . . . I'm not one to jump up and down and call people names and make claims about their ancestry
65 L-188 : The other thing to consider is that despite a persons first instinct, aid really needs to be given with a plan to distribute it. Just to land several
66 ZKSUJ : NZ said $3million, but reports that they have trippled it. NZ government also said that on top of that they will match dollar for dollar the contribut
67 Russophile : The Federal Government has increased their commitment to $35 million, with the States committing a further $8.5 million. And promises of more have bee
68 Falcon84 : Just to land several million dollars of it withing 72 hours of a major disaster may cause much of it to be wasted. You mean, like the billions wasted
69 SATL382G : Falcon -- wow, more amazing stuff from you... Please quantify your statement that the US isn't giving enough aid. What type of aid is lacking and how
70 L410Turbolet : I have to agree to a certain extent with L-188. The dynamics of help, both material an financial not always follows the dynamics of development on the
71 Falcon84 : Please quantify your statement that the US isn't giving enough aid. What type of aid is lacking and how do you know this to be so? Let me ask you some
72 Jasepl : L-188 and L410, I agree with both of you to a point. However, we will never know if countries always intended to provide substantial assistance before
73 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Jasepl: I don't disagree with you at all . . . I'm proud that India is coming to the aide of it's own. I just watched Pres. Bush on CNN, his first pre
74 Falcon84 : ANCFlyer, what the hell is your problem with me. If it means buggering idiots like yourself, I won't give it a rest. Do YOU think $35 million is enoug
75 SATL382G : I've got a good example of disaster assistance gone wrong.... I was stationed at Andrews AFB in 1992 during relief efforts for Hurricane Andrew and he
76 Jasepl : I'm going to have to agree with Falcon on this one. And it's not just to do with America, unfortunately. I'm surprised and not impressed with India's
77 ANCFlyer : Falcon84: No personal problem . . it's just that your incessant babbling and hollering gets really tiring . . . make your point, express your view and
78 Post contains images Falcon84 : My point is you can't just start sending aid. You have to know what's needed and where. Agreed, SAT, 100%. I'm aware of that. But I think we should ha
79 Falcon84 : ANCFlyer, stick it where the sun don't shine, OK? I really don't care what you think of my posts, and you can ignore them at your earliest convenence,
80 ANCFlyer : Well Falcon, I can't begin to tell ya how broken up I am that you don't respect my posts. It's gonna keep me up nights. You're a pretty intense fella
81 Post contains images Falcon84 : Well Falcon, I can't begin to tell ya how broken up I am that you don't respect my posts. Well, we agree on something, because the feeling is mutual.
82 Post contains images Jasepl : Okay children, stop it!
83 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Another thing we agree on-and I've been saying that, but I guess maybe you didn't notice. Oh, I noticed . . . over and over and over can piss off some
84 Post contains images Falcon84 : Oh, I'm not even remotely irritated .. I was talking about me not being irritated, not you. If you're not, I guess I'm losing my touch.
85 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Jasepl, I was responding to L-188s post only. I can't judge how that UN guy was or wasn't relevant or whether the it was just knee-jerk reaction of Co
86 Bravo7e7 : Please read post 44 falcon. We are not stingy.
87 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Okay children, stop it! Ahhh, man, we're just havin' fun! Aircraft carrier? Troops? Is he gonna invade the countries first in order to "help" them? Af
88 SATL382G : Agreed, SAT, 100%. I'm aware of that. But I think we should have money, ready in the pipeline, when it's needed, so that when it IS really needed, aft
89 Slider : Maybe Kofi and his corrupt UN cronies can pledge some of the billions they siphoned off the Oil for Food program. Just a thought. Still, the initial p
90 Post contains images Manni : The initial amount of money the EU made available was 3 million € on sunday, but it has gone up now to 30 million €, this next to the many donatio
91 Jasepl : Ahhh, man, we're just havin' fun! Oh come on! Give me more credit than that! As for the aircraft carriers, if they're coming all the way from Japan, h
92 ANCFlyer : As for the aircraft carriers, if they're coming all the way from Japan, how long will take fom them to get there? Just wondering. Not more than three
93 Bravo7e7 : This donation is just a preliminary number, with a lot more to come.
94 Jasepl : Not more than three or four days I'm sure . . . I don't know exactly where in Japan they are, but they're at sea, so lets hope they're south of Japan
95 Seb146 : The US was hit with 4 different hurricanes over the summer and the UN said nothing about Europe or Asia being stingy with aid. AIDS kills millions, an
96 Jaysit : Undoubtedly the US and private agencies will give a whole lot more than $ 35 million. But, its the perception that counts in tragedies such as these.
97 Post contains links SATL382G : Hell the two operations below probably represent 15 Mill by themselves, with more on the way..... and that's just USAF.... Grumble away UN.... http://
98 Ctbarnes : 70,000 people are killed, millions more homeless, and the best we can do is use this tragedy as fodder for our agendas. If such a tragedy happened to
99 Jasepl : #1. No one accused the United States alone of being stingy. The West was collectively accused. #2. Whilst what Bush said is true, America is "a very g
100 Jasepl : The Israeli press has denied that there were issues with Israeli aid. But a denial doesn't mean there weren't. However, it was apparently a few Muslim
101 Caribb : Although it's been said I'll say it again: THe US alone wasn't finger pointed... it was "Western Countries" so don't take it like it was only aimed at
102 Post contains images Russophile : The US was hit with 4 different hurricanes over the summer and the UN said nothing about Europe or Asia being stingy with aid. This is because is 'ric
103 Post contains links BA : By the way how much has been pledged from the oil rich nations of the UAE, Saudi Arabia and the Middle East for this disaster? They are physcially clo
104 Maiznblu_757 : India has literally millions of people living in the absolutely deplorable conditions. yet they supposedly have adequate resources to handle a crisis
105 Jasepl : Well, I'm supposed to be an elitist snob, so I really don't know how to answer that. Still, I'm quite confident that our government has more than enou
106 Vafi88 : $35 mil is just a start, watch the news, Bush said so Bush also said that Iraq was a *necessary and just* war.
107 Whitehatter : £15m from our Government so far, and another £5 million from the British public to one charity alone in the last 24 hours. Not a bad start ($39 mill
108 SegmentKing : Where were these countries when 9/11 happened? What kind of aid did they offer us? I'd love to talk about what Indonesia did (people in the street say
109 Post contains images Diamond : Speaking only about the U.S., it doesn't matter what our we've done in the past regarding humanitarian aid. It matters what we are doing right now, fo
110 Falcon84 : Where were these countries when 9/11 happened? What kind of aid did they offer us? I'd love to talk about what Indonesia did (people in the street say
111 Jasepl : Speaking only about the U.S., it doesn't matter what our we've done in the past regarding humanitarian aid. It matters what we are doing right now, fo
112 Post contains images StowAway : Sweet St. Augustine help me! I agree with Falcon84 on something! I will be damned! Turn the other cheek! Past relations aside.... a massive tragedy ha
113 AAplatnumflier : Hey we didnt have to dso anything for that country. They should be happy we are giving anything in my opinion. Also what has the person who made the s
114 Falcon84 : Hey we didnt have to dso anything for that country. They should be happy we are giving anything in my opinion. Why? Because we're the great United Sta
115 Jasepl : However, I think that the US' contribution is good enough for now. However, American's who are able to themselves, and businesses should be chipping i
116 Jasepl : Hey we didnt have to dso anything for that country. They should be happy we are giving anything in my opinion. Also what has the person who made the s
117 AAplatnumflier : Falcon84 how many countries helped us after 9/11 and with the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq?? What do you say to all the countries that didn't hel
118 Falcon84 : What do you say to all the countries that didn't help? You turn to them, in an hour of need, with an unprecedented catastrophe and say "how can we hel
119 AAplatnumflier : Very true Falcon84.....but Freedom Fries.....the U.S. has a tendancy to sometimes fight back in interesting ways...in your opinion would we help North
120 Bravo7e7 : Falcon, we ask the countries that did not help us on 9/11 how we can help them?
121 Jasepl : ....how many countries helped us after 9/11 and with the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq?? What do you say to all the countries that didn't help? LO
122 StowAway : AA, please, help yourself. No..... Noooo.... You want to know what to say? "Help is on the way, neighbor." The toll is expected to hit over 100,000 pe
123 Jasepl : ....we ask the countries that did not help us on 9/11 how we can help them? There aren't very many of any significance that fit that bill. And even if
124 Bravo7e7 : Jasepl, how did France and Germany help us at all?
125 Jasepl : Jasepl, how did France and Germany help us at all? Good God! Are you really that ignorant or are you just trying to stir things up? If you really don'
126 Jasepl : Jasepl, yes, I agree. The projected number from America is a little short. I do have faith that the number will be increased as needed, though. I'm no
127 ClipperHawaii : In fiscal '03 and '04 the United States has given 40% of the total money of all governments combined for disaster relief. 40%. And that is just from g
128 Jasepl : That should put an end to that story. It doesn't. Not yet anyway. America's certainly been extremely generous a lot of the time. So far this week thou
129 Falcon84 : Falcon, we ask the countries that did not help us on 9/11 how we can help them? Yes, unless you're totally devoid of humanity in the conservative mind
130 Diamond : " ... in your opinion would we help North Korea if a disaster happened there? ... " You didn't ask ME this question, but I will answer it anyway: Hell
131 AAplatnumflier : Let me tell ya....my father met a guy from Sri Lanka two weeks ago at a company party. Funny thing is is that he really wanted to go to Sri Lanka too
132 JpetekYXMD80 : I'll throw my 2 cents in here.... I hate when politics have to come into play like they do when a catastophe occurs. I think everyone needs to step ba
133 Post contains images EZEIZA : Just my .02 as well... After reading the posts my conclusion is that some people are just plain stupid (you know who you are) and most are smart. And
134 StowAway : >>....but I was just asking about the Political side of it.
135 Falcon84 : AAPlatnum, there is, and should not be a political side of this. Amen, StowAway. It seems we don't agree on much, but we seem to be of a single mind o
136 Post contains links Delta-flyer : I would like to point out that the government is not the only US entity that gives aid. There are private grass roots organizations that pitch in thro
137 Jasepl : Again, Pete, VSLover's misquoted topic notwithstanding, no one suggested what you're claiming. Egeland accused the West of collectively being stingy t
138 WindowSeat : Why are we not talking about the nature of aid? Is it a giveaway or is it a loan? Thats right, it's a LOAN. The latest addition of $20m in US aid is m
139 Sebolino : In a Fox News interview this week, Natsios said France tends not to be a world leader in foreign aid and often packages its help as loans, which he s
140 ANCFlyer : but I was just asking about the Political side of it. There is no politics here. This is about saving lives AAPlatinum. This situation has caused me t
141 Post contains links StowAway : Very, Very well said ANCFlyer! That should be the final word on the "p" word in this thread, IMO. By the way, Colin Powell has now backed an idea for
142 B757300 : And what has Kofi Annan been doing these last three days? He's been busy on his ski trip. Guess he was checking to see if the snow was melting from gl
143 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Stowaway: Glad to see we want to relieve the debt - these coutnries will need all the help they can get. AAPlatinum is a kid - he'll grow up one of th
144 AAplatnumflier : I personally have given money to my parents so they can go ahead and forward it to the Red Cross. I know how hard it is. I personally contributed. I j
145 Diamond : " ... And what has Kofi Annan been doing these last three days? ... " I guess if he had been vacationing in Crawford, Texas for the last six days, you
146 Post contains links and images Boeing4ever : http://www.redcross.org/ There, donate to the International Relief Fund. I just put in 5 USD, and will put in more when I refill my checking account..
147 777236ER : So maybe Jan Egeland's comments has spurned some Americans (and other Western people) to maybe give that extra $10 to the Red Cross etc? And people sa
148 Post contains links Singaporegirl : an interesting article: "NY Times calls U.S. aid for tsunami 'miserly'" http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/12/30/quake.usa.editorial.reut/index.html
149 Jasepl : Whatever we might think of Jan Egeland's remarks, they had their desired effect. Like it or not, Egeland managed to effectively shame many governments
150 Falcon84 : Maybe the US is being a little stingy right now. Was listening to CNN tonight ,and did you know that after the Florida hurricanes, where the damage, w
151 SegmentKing : Florida, is also home to 24 million voters. Florida is also the 5th largest economy in the country. The impact of the wave are far reaching, but don't
152 Jasepl : If we are being so edgy about what the US is giving, lets point fingers at the LARGEST economy and home to the most people on the planet: CHINA. what
153 AAplatnumflier : Well maybe some things take priority over others according to President Bush....
154 Lparky : I refuse to read all the posts in this thread, but we are talking about countries government funds that are being sent. Not that I care that anyone is
155 Sebolino : lets point fingers at the LARGEST economy and home to the most people on the planet: CHINA LOL. GNPs: China -> 1237 billions $ USA -> 10450 billions $
156 Foxiboy : For god sake this should not be a time debating who has given what and who has'nt there are at last count 124,000 dead and they have not found all the
157 Sebolino : Agree fully about China. Their contribution has been almost nothing. China has raised its help to 63 Millions $ today.
158 Jasepl : China has raised its help to 63 Millions $ today. Finally... About bloody time! And they expect everyone to treat them as top dog in the region!
159 Falcon84 : Florida, is also home to 24 million voters. Florida is also the 5th largest economy in the country. The impact of the wave are far reaching, but don't
160 SE210Caravelle : The 35Million that the U.S. has given to relief funds is how much Bush will spend on his inauguration and how much we spend on 2 and 1/2 - 4 hours in
161 Post contains links Delta-flyer : For those critical of the aid the US government has so far announced, will ultimately give before the relief effort is over, plus manifold times that
162 777236ER : For those critical of the aid the US government has so far announced, will ultimately give before the relief effort is over, plus manifold times that
163 Mandala499 : Oh My God... some people don't know where to stop... We need as much aid as possible... but, give what can be given and what one wants to give... we c
164 Yu138086 : The world will see that in just a couple of days the USA will put its "money where its mouth is" unequivocally. Sometimes such criticism is good becau
165 Caribb : Does NO ONE seem to realise the critisise was aimed at ALL WESTERN COUNTRIES?! It was an attack at a general attitude, not monetary value. THanks for
166 Post contains links Jalto27R : Everyone, including our President, wants to remind everyone of our past generosity. The people in Asia who are now facing Cholera and starvation can't
167 Alessandro : Jaspl, Sweden gov has donated 55 million €uro, people here are in chock, this old country never lost so many citizens in one week!
168 SegmentKing : Falcon, Lets see here. Florida is part of the United States, part of our economy. the Far East, is NOT part of the United States, not a massive engine
169 Delta-flyer : Does NO ONE seem to realise the critisise was aimed at ALL WESTERN COUNTRIES?! It was an attack at a general attitude, not monetary value. You're corr
170 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Delta-Flyer: You're correct - Egeland's speech did not mention the US - but the headline mentioned ONLY the US - so I admit I did not readthe entire a
171 Jasepl : Please read the title of this thread however . . . the one with the Link to the Article in the Thread Starter . . . You didn't miss anything, no. Gues
172 LHSebi : What you don't seem to understand SegmentKing, is that these pledges should definitely not be about what they have/haven't done for us, but what we ca
173 Post contains links MaverickM11 : http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110445541229313714,00.html?mod=opinion%5Fmain%5Freview%5Fand%5Foutlooks "When it comes to this sort of giving, nobo
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