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User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

I am ready to purchase a new laptop, and after being a Window's patron all of my life, I am typing this message on an iBook G4 that belongs to my 7 year old cousin. I am starting to love Mac and I love the interface and power. However, I know of the compatibiliy issue and I am wondering if it will really be that big of a problem. I would like to hear from Mac users to and see how the either regret, or enjoy there switch to Mac.

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User currently offlineThecoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

I've used a Mac for graphc design for about 2 years. While Macs are far more superior in so many ways compared to a windows/linux machine, I just can't get around the whole compatibility thing.

If you're going to buy a Mac, it's best to have another computer that's windows/linux based networked to your Mac iBook. So what I'm saying is, sure, go for it, but it's best to have another system that is a pc as well if you do own a Mac.


User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1271 times:

I always see that everyone says macs are better for video editing and graphics.. I have used both imacs and pc's for both video and graphic design. I honestly see no difference. Its not like apple really has any better software for the apple.. and in video renderings i have not really found it to be all that much faster.

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1267 times:
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Apple makes beautiful machines. The form factor and quality of materials is unlike anything available in the PC world.

User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

Get the PowerBook G4...its awesome  Big thumbs up

Apple makes beautiful machines.

Yup, no doubt about that. Also, you don't have to worry about all the damn windows viruses....I'm going nuts right now trying to ged rid of a worm on my damn XP machine  Nuts



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User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Apple is only for artistic people in my opinion. I have Windows and love it. Windows is actually great in my opinion. It is a lot less complicated than Apple in my opinion. Also it is a lot easier to operate.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21485 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

I´m developing software for a living, and I do it on a PowerMac G5 at this time.

All of the software I create runs on other systems, and it´s not a problem at all. MacOS is by far superior to Windows in almost every respect. For me, the Unix core of the system and everythig that goes with it is priceless, even if many "civilian" users may not have the same needs.

A few other points:


Usability:
Apple has always put usability at the top of their priority list, and it shows. After you´ve used a Mac for more than three minutes (hello, AAplatnumflier!  Nuts), you´ll notice that you simply don´t have to fight the system, rather the system is built to support you. Sounds pedestrian, but matches the experience of most people who know both.


Reliability / Security:
MacOS is immune to the tens of thousands of Windows worms and viruses "in the wild". There has not been any worm- or virus-related damage reported for MacOS X so far.


Compatibility:
MacOS X doesn´t have to go to the pains Windows has to in order to be compatible with the Unix world which dominates the Internet and most of the "serious computing" world - OS X is a Unix itself. It can still talk to Windows systems, exchange data and read or write practically all important file formats with the respective software.


Software:
You´ll find that there´s a huge number of software titles for MacOS X, including Microsoft Office if you need that. On top of that, you can run other Windows software (including worms and viruses) under VirtualPC, a PC emulation software under MacOS X. It´s not a big issue.

There´s much less junk software under OS X; Even free- and shareware is often of better quality. Why do you need a hundred titles if only the top two or three are actually good enough anyway? And you´ll have those for the Mac as well.

Some manufacturers make almost identical versions of their software for MacOS as well, and you´ll have no big improvement in such a Mac version on its own; But there is some excellent software that´s exclusive to the Mac, such as the iLife package by Apple or several others you could only wish to have under Windows.

You will, of course, recognize many advantages supplied by the operating system itself that every application "inherits", like moving files or even applications without breaking anything.


Hardware:
Simply try it out. The difference is obvious.
Macs are actually not really more expensive if you´re comparing them with other systems of comparable quality, in many cases the Mac will actually be cheaper.


I have no time to waste on keeping my system alive and running. On a Mac, you´re doing what you intend to do, you´re not wasting your precious free time re-installing your system, trying to fix the latest conflicts or desperately barricading against external attacks.

Macs are not "just for artists", unless that´s what you´re calling a rising number of IT specialists, scientists, students, business people and ordinary private citizens.

We´d still appreciate it, of course.  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineThecoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

Jfkaua: I always see that everyone says macs are better for video editing and graphics.. I have used both imacs and pc's for both video and graphic design. I honestly see no difference. Its not like apple really has any better software for the apple.. and in video renderings i have not really found it to be all that much faster.

Jfkusa, the color quality on a Mac monitor far outweighs that of a PC.


User currently offlineMYT332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1212 times:

Well I got my iMac in 2000. In that time I've had 3 windows machines, what does that say really?

However, I find I still need a pc, flight sim man, flight sim!  Big grin



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1208 times:
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I wish they wrote a version of Visual Studio.NET for the Mac, I would love to switch back over  Sad

User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1206 times:

Airbus, there's no need to ask. You're already hooked. If you like Macs now, you fugging love them once you own them. Contrary to myth, one can live without a PC in the computing world. Macs do everything and most things better. If you are a hardcore gamer, keep a PC handy as your Playstation on steriods. If you're more into computing of any kind, then all you need is OSX. Welcome to the bright side.  Big thumbs up


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

However, I find I still need a pc, flight sim man, flight sim!

Have you tried X-Plane? It's far more realistic than Flight Simulator...works a lot better, too  Smile/happy/getting dizzy. I was hesitant to make the switch at first, too, but once I did, I was completely impressed. There are versions for Mac, PC, and Linux.

Ironically the availability of a FS was my last "hang-up" about buying a Mac. I took the plunge, tried X-Plane's demo, and haven't looked back since!




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User currently offlineMYT332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

Yea I have tried X-Plane and it's not too bad you're right. I just prefer MSFS plus I have one or two other uses for the mickiesoft machine, im sorry to say.


One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1177 times:

I have several Macs at home - my sons each have a Powerbook G4, I have a G5 desktop running MacOS, a G4 desktop running Linux, and an older PowerMac running an older MacOS. I also use a Dell laptop at work running Win2000Pro, so I am quite familiar with both operating systems.

There is no contest between the Mac and Win - I can hardly wait to get home and work on my Mac after a day of frustration with Windows.

Some of the major benefits of the Mac is that the OS and most software anticipates your commands and acts in a more friendly and efficient way. For example, in the Mac Mail client, designating a message as junk not only adds its address to the junk mail senders list (as does Outlook for Windows), but also automatically moves it to the Junk Mail folder. With Outlook, that's a separate operation. You'll find hundreds of similar examples.

On the hardware front, I have not found any USB or Firewire hardware that does not work the first time I plug it in. On my Win laptop, nothing ever works the first time without a tremendous amount of fine-tuning. The Powerbooks latch on to wireless networks in a heartbeat - the Win usually requires tweaking, rebooting, reinstalling drivers, etc. I have still not figured out how to access a network printer with my Dell on my LAN at home. The Macs find it every time without a problem. (The printer has Windows drivers installed)

In fact, our head IT guy in our plant brings in his personal Powerbook to troubleshoot and fix network problems at work, not the Dell he has been issued.

My suggestion is .... get the Mac!

Pete


User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

Sounds to me like I will be getting an iBook or PowerBook! But I will always keep my VAIO handy......I can't make any problems about it, but I see what everyone is talking about when they say Mac is working for you unlike Windows. Windows is just.....well it's just there, and Mac is so much better! I acutally do prefer X Plane over FS as someone else said here. And, I realize now that compatibility is not going to be an issue, because I am surfing the internet right now, while a windows is right next to me on the same network.

ALL HAIL MAC!


User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1139 times:


Jfkusa, the color quality on a Mac monitor far outweighs that of a PC.

---------------------
that's absolutely not true. You are telling me that I can't find a better monitor then the ones apple sells? I highly doubt that, especially for some of the outrageous prices of there cinema displays. I use a Sony display with a digital connection and the color are excellent, there is no distortion and just like apples it is a very sleek looking model. and its JFKAUA Big grin

[Edited 2004-12-31 07:43:26]

User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1136 times:

JFKAUA, sure you can find a comparable screen display for a PC, but the reason why Mac's cost so much is because of how good they really are. Technically, Mac screen quality is slightly better then PC's. I am sure there are some exceptions, but MAC still wins for graphics hands down.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1135 times:

Its not like apple really has any better software for the apple..

I beg to differ. The quality of audio and video production software for the Mac surpasses anything available on the PC by 10 years.

Shake, Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, and Logic are just the very tip of the iceburg.

Pro Tools, the gold standard of audio mastering, is coded for the Mac then backported much later to the PC.

Just for free with Mac OS X you get iMovie, iDVD, and Garageband, all of which are way better than some of the most expensive Windows software.

I wish they wrote a version of Visual Studio.NET for the Mac, I would love to switch back over Sad

Heh. That would defeat the purpose.

The LCDs in Apple Studio Displays are the finest available on the mass market. There are almost no displays you can buy that are better, and the ones that are are many tens of thousands of dollars.

Refer to my comments in the other thread going on right now about switching for my other opinions.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/707886/

N

[Edited 2004-12-31 07:57:05]

[Edited 2004-12-31 07:59:57]

User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1124 times:


Shake, Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, and Logic are just the very tip of the iceburg.


Shake 3.5 - Discreet Inferno/ Combustion
Final Cut Pro - Adobe After effects

Here are just two programs that I find are just of equal calliber, if not better, then there apple counterparts.

To me a mac has just never seemed to give room to expand. It seems like you get it in the box, you get some software, and thats that. There are so many more programs for PC's even just the little day to day things that just make them seem like such a better choice then an Apple. Also, it is alot harder to replace things inside an apple (talking more about the imacs here) The average joe would be alot more intimidated by replacing RAM in an imac then in a PC tower.

[Edited 2004-12-31 08:15:26]

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

Adobe after affects does not come close to Final Cut Pro. I cannot speak for Shake as I do not use it, but Final Cut Pro.

I made the switch to Mac about 18 months ago, and for the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone could prefer a PC.

j


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21485 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Jfkaua: Here are just two programs that I find are just of equal calliber, if not better, then there apple counterparts.

Almost every test report I´ve read so far seems to come to a different conclusion. Sorry, not my department, so I can´t comment from my own experience.


Jfkaua: To me a mac has just never seemed to give room to expand.

That was never true since the original Mac (the type introduced in 1984) was retired.

Today, all Macs are easily user-configurable. Apple introduced both USB and FireWire to the market for easy and compatible expansion.


Jfkaua: It seems like you get it in the box, you get some software, and thats that. There are so many more programs for PC's even just the little day to day things that just make them seem like such a better choice then an Apple.

Since you´ve obviously never looked for anything for the Mac, it´s not hard to see how you could come to that false conclusion.  Smile

There are tons of add-ons both in hard- and in software. And the common trait is: They actually work right out of the box as they should. Imagine that!  Wink/being sarcastic


Jfkaua: Also, it is alot harder to replace things inside an apple (talking more about the imacs here) The average joe would be alot more intimidated by replacing RAM in an imac then in a PC tower.

Hardly:



Apple - iMac G5 - Design

It´s in fact much easier than with the average PC.

If you want to use PCI or AGP cards, get a PowerMac; If you don´t need those and compact design is a priority, get an iMac. Simple as that.


There is a consistent trend that people who have actual experience with both WIntel machines and Macs typically choose the Mac when given the choice. You obviously don´t know anything about "the other side", but I can only recommend you to change that.


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1098 times:

Klaus,

USB was an Intel product. Firewire, was a mac product.

But it's simply a matter of preference, I have been using PC's for years, I have a G4 running OS X for support reasons. I never find that I have to fight a PC, nor have I had any viruses, worms, spyware, none of it.

And Unix compatibility is not anything special, almost every OS runs a version of the TCP/IP stack written for Unix released under the BSD. As long as you are running the same file sharing protocol I can transfer files all day, between Windows and Unix.

Many programs that the average user may need, may be available for Mac, but very few of the specialized business software are available.


[Edited 2004-12-31 16:22:42]


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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1094 times:
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With the rumors of a low cost ($500?) iMac making the rounds I am sure more people will be taking the plunge. The only lame thing is that they are saying it will be a "pizza box" design. Ugh! Can you say Performa 415? Come on Apple, give us a cube, or a triangle, but not another pizza box!

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21485 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

PPGMD: USB was an Intel product.

Sure. It just wasn´t introduced to the market by anybody but Apple.

PPGMD: Firewire, was a mac product.

An Apple invention, but not a "mac product".


PPGMD: But it's simply a matter of preference, I have been using PC's for years, I have a G4 running OS X for support reasons. I never find that I have to fight a PC, nor have I had any viruses, worms, spyware, none of it.

Good for you... But not everybody is a Windows expert. And according to the number of Windows-specific attack attempts (which are thus harmless for my Mac) I can see here every day, you need to stay alert all the time.

Having a good pump and strong arms is nice, but not having a leaky boat in the first place is still preferable.


PPGMD: And Unix compatibility is not anything special, almost every OS runs a version of the TCP/IP stack written for Unix released under the BSD. As long as you are running the same file sharing protocol I can transfer files all day, between Windows and Unix.

When I look at the awkwardness often introduced by Windows servers and dependencies introduced for Windows clients, it´s a different picture. No big deal for most, but clearly an indication of inconsistencies.

For cross-platform development, Windows is always the odd man out. And Microsoft does everything to preserve and even increase the incompatibilities! It´s a constant destructive force in an industry which desperately needs more open standards and fewer tactical proprietary interfaces.


PPGMD: Many programs that the average user may need, may be available for Mac, but very few of the specialized business software are available.

If you´re absolutely dependent on those, you can a) request a Mac version from the manufacturer and b) use VirtualPC if still necessary. If you depend on Windows, too bad. But most people fortunately don´t.


User currently offlineSE210Caravelle From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1081 times:

For all the reasons above get a Mac. Windows people often comment on how their systems are better while in reality they have never even used a mac. Truth be told I have never really used a Windows system, but then again there is no need to: I have a Mac.

Mac's are beautiful, sleek machines compared to those of Windows. Get A Mac!!

Happy New Year!!!,

SE210Caravelle  Smile


25 PPGMD : Good for you... But not everybody is a Windows expert. And according to the number of Windows-specific attack attempts (which are thus harmless for my
26 Delta-flyer : Good for you... But not everybody is a Windows expert. Just to add to that with an example .... we bought my mother an iMac 4 years ago to surf the 'n
27 Gigneil : And Unix compatibility is not anything special, almost every OS runs a version of the TCP/IP stack written for Unix released under the BSD. As long a
28 Airbus3801 : The windows firewall does on a scale of 1-10, a 5 or 4. If you want to have real protection on a windows, you need to buy something like Norton or McA
29 Post contains links Klaus : UNIX is an operating system architecture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix With the exception of Windows, practically all modern operating systems ar
30 PPGMD : The windows firewall does on a scale of 1-10, a 5 or 4. If you want to have real protection on a windows, you need to buy something like Norton or McA
31 Ryanb741 : I got a Powerbook G4 earlier this year and I LOVE IT!!!! I use my desktop PC for emailing and internet browsing (plus some downloading) but any seriou
32 Dan2002 : JFKAUA, sure you can find a comparable screen display for a PC, but the reason why Mac's cost so much is because of how good they really are. Technica
33 AC320 : The Univeristy of Florida strongly recommends Windows-based productsas that is what the networks are designed around. however the only concrete requir
34 Airbus3801 : My Dad uses LEXIS and WESTLAW at work, and it is only PC, I don't think you would be able to use it well, if at all, if you tried to access it through
35 AC320 : My Dad uses LEXIS and WESTLAW at work, and it is only PC, I don't think you would be able to use it well, if at all, if you tried to access it through
36 Panam330 : Just before Thanksgiving this year, actually, I got rid of my IBM for a new eMac- it's nothing to write home about, but it still beats the snot out of
37 Airbus3801 : I don't thing VirtualPC would work on WESTLAW because I believe you have to download it from them and pay a subscription fee to their data base. P.S.
38 PPGMD : VirtualPC is the program that allows you to emulate a x86 Computer enviroment. Similar to the emulation used to play old video games on the computer.
39 Post contains links Klaus : PPGMD: Give Apple a chance, compared to Microsoft, Apple is the King of lock in. If they have enough market share, they will lock their users in ways
40 AC320 : Well then there goes my last concern about Apple's products. Guess I'm getting an iBook right away.
41 Jfkaua : Windows forces you through its annoying registration process, which also exposes you to more spying by Microsoft. MacOS doesn´t. -------------- yea
42 Post contains images Klaus : StowAway: yea thats because all computer savvy people who try to illegally copy the os know that windows is 10x better. That will be it. Just explain
43 Airbus3801 : yea thats because all computer savvy people who try to illegally copy the os know that windows is 10x better. Cough, Cough, excuse me, did I hear you
44 Jfkaua : what?.. and whos stowaway? I said that... and I am pretty sure people know there are to major OS's out there and most choose windows
45 Klaus : Jfkaua: what?.. and whos stowaway? I said that... and I am pretty sure people know there are to major OS's out there and most choose windows Except mo
46 Post contains links Jfkaua : Well I can say I've extensivley used both os's and don't get me wrong Macs are a beautifully crafted machine and the software is good, but for me its
47 Post contains images Klaus : Entertaining, indeed. Many Windows users experience some frustration when their painfully acquired Windows knowledge suddenly becomes useless when the
48 LOT767-300ER : Even though ive used quite a few Macs i cant say that I like them. Its not the design, if you want something good looking get a girlfriend. Its not ev
49 Post contains images Klaus : LOT767-300ER: I really cannot stand some person peeves with Macs, the one click mouse absolutely drives me nuts So connect any other USB mouse or trac
50 Gigneil : Both Lexis Nexis and Westlaw are Mac compatible. Lexis you can actually get the research software for Mac. Westlaw I think you need to use a browser b
51 Post contains images Xkorpyoh : I agree that MACs are superior to PCs/XP. I am actually swtiching from XP to MAC next week. I had a long long time to think about it because my favori
52 Klaus : Just a minor point: Mac is not an acronym, it´s simply short for Macintosh. A MAC is something entirely different (or several things according to the
53 Delta-flyer : I find this sums up how I feel this explans how I feel about macs .. http://members.cox.net/clyqz/mac.swf Jfkaua .... Well, that certainly DOES NOT su
54 QR332 : I personally love macs, and think that they are worth their price. I use Apple iTunes becasue it is so much better than the crappy Windows Media Playe
55 Airbus3801 : About putting FS9 onto Mac, you cannot do it. However, you can get a good alternitive called X Plane which I really like too.
56 Gigneil : yea thats because all computer savvy people who try to illegally copy the os know that windows is 10x better... no one really wants to rip a copy of M
57 174thfwff : I'm a college student using a Powerbook G4 and I've found that besides games, every Windows program that I used has some sort of Macintosh equivalent,
58 LOT767-300ER : "So connect any other USB mouse or trackball you want with as many buttons as you like. What´s keeping you? " Christ, i know that. All im saying is e
59 JBirdAV8r : But, I have a few questions. I am firstly a huge FS9 fan, and this is really a decideding factor for me. Can I run FS9 in Mac? Or any other game for t
60 Post contains images Klaus : LOT767-300ER: Christ, i know that. All im saying is everytime i go into an Apple Store i want to friggin throw that POS out the window. It´s actually
61 N229nw : You know, there are little things. I had a mac years ago. It was stolen and I got a PC. Now, I've come to hate using Macs. I really like laptops, and
62 Post contains images Jfkaua : Aren´t you a student? Apple has attractive educational discount programs. And Macs are not more expensive than PCs in the long run anyway. Well depe
63 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : "It´s actually a very good mouse; I´ve wanted to replace it as well at first since I´ve had a multi-button mouse on my old G3 (pre-USB), but at thi
64 Post contains images Klaus : LOT767-300ER: Good mouse or not, Right click rocks the house. Right-clicking with a crappy mouse is still worse than control-clicking with a good one.
65 Post contains links and images Hawaiian717 : MacMice makes a mouse that mimics the design of the Apple optical mouse, but with two buttons and a scroll wheel. The Mac is designed to work with a o
66 Post contains images Klaus : Hawaiian717: MacMice makes a mouse that mimics the design of the Apple optical mouse, but with two buttons and a scroll wheel. Thanks for the tip... b
67 Aloges : "Even that wouldn´t help you, of course, if you´d be so naive to download and execute programs from dubious sites..." Enter John Windows Hick: "Huh?
68 Post contains images Klaus : Aloges: Enter John Windows Hick: "Huh? Are you saying I'm not supposed to do whatever a website asks me to?" Some people are just not fit to live in t
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