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Your View Of Christian "cults"  
User currently offlineNorthwest_guy From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 217 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

What is your view or opinion of some major Christian denominations that are considered by many to be different, or even to be a cult? (Such as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventists, and Christian Scientist which are often perceived as cults.)

Of course members of these religions will never call themselves a cult, and will defend against such claims, but I’d like to know how the general population views these religions. Do most of you consider these to be cults, and if so, why?

I am a Seventh-day Adventist, and I personally don’t consider my religion to be a cult, but I could be wrong…

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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Every religion is a cult. To deride some as silly and others as genuine is hypocritical.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Well, we do agree on that, Maverick. Big grin


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User currently offlineNorthwest_guy From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 217 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

Well, that may be true, but it misses the point.

While, yes it is hypocritical, many things are hypocritical in life...I want to know how the general population views these denominations.


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

I'm with MaverickM11 as well, I see all religions as cults.


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User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Northwest guy --- It's your belief, therefore it's not wrong if it works for you.

Personally, I consider myself a Christian, but I do not believe that any organized religion will help me in my own life. Organized religions play a key role in the lives of many, however I simply have no time for it in my own life. I seek and find my spiritual assurances in other ways, but I certainly respect the rights of others who do find solace in their churches.

In answer to your question though, the only 'problem' I have with religious sects or "cults" as you call them, has more to do with the extremists we so often hear about in the bible belt and all over the world for that matter.

EXTREMISTS in all religions (Mormon, Catholic, 7th Day, Muslim, Hindu etc.) miss one key teaching in all of their religions: TOLERANCE. I have a problem with that.

God-fearing, church-folk, tend to have a reputation for shunning people who don't conform to their beliefs, be they another skin-colour, a homosexual, a person who's had an abortion, divorce, etc. Throughout history, some of the greatest atrocities have been led by "churches" (and leaders who front themselves as "preechers") and have harmed so many people who were "different".

Looking back in the last century, I wonder how religious leaders would tolerate their congregation taking part in slavery, or the Salem Witch Trials or a blanket of hate against Muslims?

Extremists and "cults" have often bred strong and dangerous levels of ignorance to such a terrifying extent that its members proactively sought to do harm on others who are in some way "different".

No God of mine would tolerate such a thing.

G


User currently offlineNorthwest_guy From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 217 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Canuckpaxguy, believe it or not, I agree with you.

Please understand, I am NOT trying to be intolerant, or to be belittling, or rude towards any person, whether they are a member of one of the religions that I mentioned above, or not. I myself am a member of a religion that has been called a cult by some. I am not trying to be disrespectful. I only wish to get the opinions of other people from around the nation and world.

Thank-you for your input.


User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Some of the smaller denominations, including some you mentioned, are regarded as cults by a lot of people because of their tendency to try to isolate themselves and their members, at times coercively, from the rest of society. My impression is that, among the larger denominations, Mormons are regarded as more cult-like by many because of their hierarchy and rigid rules. While Catholicism has its own arcane hierarchy, it's pretty damn hard to get kicked out of the Catholic church, although there are certainly some cult-like factions within the church.

While I'm a believer, I'm not a great fan of organized religion at this point in my life, because too many churches and church leaders have become modern day Pharisees. That said, I don't think most mainstream churches in themselves qualify as cults, because people are free to join them or leave them at will.



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User currently offlineMbmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

Yep, I think the first challenge is to define the word cult in a way that distinguishes itself from religion.

Anyone care to try?


User currently offlineBravo7e7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

What exactly do you believe northwest_guy?

User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Defining the difference between a cult and religion is a whole different topic. Dvk's right in saying that cults don't like to let people join or leave at will, but then again, neither do many religions. So I don't think any "official" definition will work in this instance because we're discussing people's perceptions.

Northwest guy: You're not being intolerant, belittling or rude. You simply asked the question....No worries. Just be prepared for some honest answers, (and of course some petty jabs and ignorant comments).

G


User currently offlineNorthwest_guy From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 217 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Oh boy...that a hard one, Well the dictionary definition of a cult is
1) formal religious veneration : worship
2) a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3) a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4) a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its
promulgator
5)a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film
or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devout

Other alternative definitions...
A religion which may indeed have all the trappings of a religion - but which in reality is harmful to its followers and/or to others.

Perhaps any religion that departs from the mainstream beliefs?



User currently offlineBravo7e7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Out of curiosity, how exactly did you get into this religion?

User currently offlineThecoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Do you realize we're discussing what religions are known to be cults when we haven't even defined what a cult is?


Here's a definition from webster:
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Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: 'k<
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

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Looking at definition #1, all religions can be considered cults, provided they worship something.

I grew up Seventh day Adventist as well Northwest_guy. I always thought it was strange that people referred to SDA's as cult members when the only real difference is that we go to church on Saturday; not Sunday, and our eating habits are rather strict.

When I went to baptist church school and went to a baptist church at one point, I found the preaching to be just the same.

Every Christain religion knocks other Christian religions. I think that's retarded.

One religion calling another religion a cult is a true example of the pot calling the kettle black.


User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2457 times:
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(Such as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons)

The Mormons are not a cult. A cult with 12 Million members worldwide? A cult that gives millions every year to charities, to education systems around the world, that works side-by-side with the Catholic church for charities... not a cult. Mormonism is one of the world's fastest growing religions... people are encouraged to adhere to chruch beliefs, but, Mormons generally are either very mormon, or end up being inactive in the church; this is because the church has probably the highest standards of morality out there....

I dont think any of the aforementioned churches are cults. I think they all have some sort of important belief, and all are here on the earth for a reason. Everyhting is here for a reason...


I think that the Branch Davidians were a cult....
I think Opus Dei may be cultish.... but probably more just serves as the secretive part of the Catholic Church? (Or are they no longer affiliated?)
The Free Masons..... THEY are kinda scary... I cant ever find any information on their beliefs...or...what it even means to be a Mason...

-AA777


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

>> this is because the church has probably the highest standards of morality out there.... <<

Whose standards? Whose morals?





An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2544 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2444 times:
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Fine,

The strictest standards for morals.... And these morals would apply to anyone wh o is christian, muslim, even jewish.... No Sex before marriage, no other relations before marriage, no drinking, no smoking, no gambling, no cursing.... all of those things could be said to be part of the major religions' beliefs, or at least a stronger viewpoint of them.


User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

I know of some who consider the 'Mormans' to be a cult, but within their believers are those whom branch off of them with beliefs such as having multiple wives and the like, as in the original form of the faith. I would consider those who broke off of the main of Mormonism to be a 'cult'. Mormonism, while I do not believe in their interptation of Christianity (I am a semi-inactive Roman Catholic), I don't believe they are a cult.
To me a Christian 'cult' exists where they follow some parts of the Chrisitan Bible (the New Testiment), but have the faith forms and behavors that are far from the norm. This can include socially unacceptable rules (mulitple wives, sex with minors/children), unusual, sceintificly bases beliefs (such as Dianetics), monominacial following of an earthly leader (Jim Jones, David Koresh, Sun Yung Moon), live in isolation or only live/work in a group/community of others of their faith (numerous groups) and a radical fear of or do not recognize legitment governments that have religious freedom (such as having an illegal cashe of guns) among the signs.
The 7th Day Adventest are not a cult, (and actually their dietary concepts -low fat, very little meat/diary, big on vegetables are very healthy), but I would consider them, and some Pentcostal style groups and others mentioned in the inital post, not as Cults, but rather as fringe beliefs.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17428 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

"The Mormons are not a cult."

Why not? What's the difference betwee believing some guy found some gold tablets and decided to set up shop in Salt Lake City of all places? Or believing the son of God will come back and save all those that are good? Or believing that salvation follows in the trail of the Hail Bop comet? It's all the same! Whether it's a big cult, or a little cult, it's still a cult, or a religion, or whatever you want to call it. At the end of the day they're either all religions or all cults.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

>> And these morals would apply to anyone wh o is christian, muslim, even jewish.... No Sex before marriage, no other relations before marriage, no drinking, no smoking, no gambling, no cursing<<


Where in the bible does it say you can't drink or smoke? Didn't Jesus drink? Didn't he have wine at the Sader, and tell everyone it was his blood? The largest Christian denomination (Roman Catholicism) allows drinking and smoking and gambling. Why is uttering a man-made slang word for feces (shit, for example) "immoral"??



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Every religion is a cult. To deride some as silly and others as genuine is hypocritical.

I don't disagree either. Every religious textbook I had in theology classes self-described Christianity as a cult....

The Mormons are not a cult. A cult with 12 Million members worldwide?

Yup... even more to the point, they are a gnostic cult.

I think Opus Dei may be cultish.... but probably more just serves as the secretive part of the Catholic Church?

Opus Dei I'm not sure of. They are definitly weird, but as to their exact definition I don't know. I put them in the "Rick Santorum's cirlce of creepy Catholics" personally....

I think that the Branch Davidians were a cult....

That's a typical connotation of "cult," but really, holidays like Christmas are cult followings  Smokin cool


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

>>Rick Santorum's cirlce of creepy Catholics<<

he he he... Big grin



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineVneplus5 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

And these morals would apply to anyone wh o is christian, muslim, even jewish.... No Sex before marriage, no other relations before marriage, no drinking, no smoking, no gambling, no cursing.

Smells like someone who hasn't lost his virginity yet! Big grin

Son, I will shag, bang, bonk, pork, root and hump as many fine young ladies as I want and I may even do it while I'm drunk on some occasions. I don't give a toss if you and your imaginary friends (be they Buddhist, Christian, Mormon or Martian) think that I'm immoral!

Get a girlfriend (or a boyfriend if you swing that way and don't consider it to be too 'immoral') and you'll feel a lot better  Big grin trust me...

Ciao!


User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Every religion is an attempt to control the p*$$y. That's it. Go figure.


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

>>Every religion is an attempt to control the p*$$y. That's it. Go figure.<<


 Big grin Big grin Big grin


Hilarious.



But you know, the bigger question is WHY!!?? Pussies are stanky dark caves with teeth in them that ooze mysterious substances... seems like a lot of work just to control them.




An unexamined life isn't worth living.
25 Aerorobnz : They are all Cults, some have just been around longer than others so are more established than others Just an aside. If God is your best friend, and s
26 Post contains images AA777 : Smells like someone who hasn't lost his virginity yet! Son, I will shag, bang, bonk, pork, root and hump as many fine young ladies as I want and I may
27 Ctbarnes : God-fearing, church-folk, tend to have a reputation for shunning people who don't conform to their beliefs, be they another skin-colour, a homosexual,
28 Post contains images Superfly : Ctbarnes: I can only speak for the Catholic Church, but the Church does not, nor has it ever taught tolerance. This is because tolerance is a rather s
29 Bronko : The Mormon Church (the money Church) requires its members to donate 15%-20% of there income to there Church. The Mormon Church is nothing more than a
30 Diamond : "Faith" is about belief in God. "Religion" is about human rules, interpretations and judgments. Some people need "religion" to stay connected to their
31 Jasepl : I really don't have a view or opinion on any religion or cult. Until someone begins lecturing me about what they believe in and tries to convince me t
32 Post contains images Superfly : Bronko: Also, if the Mormons are a business, who gets the profits? The Mormon Church. Duh! There Church change there rules based upon what makes a pro
33 Post contains images AA777 : The Mormon Church (the money Church) requires its members to donate 15%-20% of there income to there Church. The Mormon Church is nothing more than a
34 MD-90 : I would have to agree that the LDS Church has some cultish aspects to it. One of my very best friends grew up Mormon (and still is, of course). I've m
35 Post contains images Superfly : AA777: I am sorry if my post offened you. I know the Mormon Church too well. One of my best Dyke female friends was once Mormon. AA777 & MD90: Two of
36 AA777 : I think that Joseph Smith wanted to start his own religion and he made it up Do you really think he could make up an entire religion that is cohesive,
37 Bronko : Superfly: There Church change there rules based upon what makes a profit. There was a time when they weren't allowed to consume caffine but that chang
38 NWAFA : EVERY organized religion is a cult. I was raised Mormon, and let me tell you it is a cult. Catholics are a cult. Baptist are a cult.
39 Post contains images Superfly : Bronko: Sorry for mixing up the overpaid jocks. I hope you catch my drift. Religion should be viewed as a "cult" or "club, and NONE shoul dhave influ
40 TACAA320 : "The Catholic Church is not a cult. I personally wouldn't want to be a Catholic, but they're not a cult in any way, shape, or form. My father is a lap
41 Bronko : Superfly: I did not "get your drift" because I believe it to be factually incorrect. I don't believe the church changed any rules for athletes because
42 777236ER : The Catholic Church is not a cult. I personally wouldn't want to be a Catholic, but they're not a cult in any way, shape, or form. My father is a laps
43 TACAA320 : As I said Roman Catholic is not only a religion but a cult. The "veneration" [word that apparently don't like to somebody else] is reserved to The Vir
44 SSTjumbo : I'd say almost every person who's posted so far has a very skewed, biased opinion on religion. Are religions cults? Perhaps they are; I won't dispute
45 TACAA320 : "...covered up thousands of cases where its priests sexually molested and raped little children..." As Roman Catholic I think that they deserve to pay
46 777236ER : However, the views that religions are self-elitist in their majorities is a completely bogus argument. Speaking on behalf of the Catholic church, 99.8
47 DfwRevolution : I can only speak for the Catholic Church, but the Church does not, nor has it ever taught tolerance. I went to Jesuit schools, so my view of Catholici
48 PROSA : To repeat something I posted on another thread a while back, a useful way of distinguishing between a religion and a cult involves the extent to which
49 Bravo7e7 : Dfw Revolution, I go to a Jesuit school too. Which one did you go to?
50 Solnabo : Whats so great with this Kabbalha(?) thing that Maddie is a member of?? What is their beliefs? Im very curius in this jewish cult... Thx Micke / SE
51 Post contains images Fanoftristars : Having grown up in Utah as a member of the Mormon Church I find the comments of the people on this fourm quite comical, and yet close to home Some bac
52 Ctbarnes : I went to Jesuit schools, so my view of Catholicism might be a little off from mainstream Catholicism.... but from my experiences, that couldn't be fu
53 Post contains images DfwRevolution : I go to a Jesuit school too. Which one did you go to? DfwRevolution went to Dallas Jesuit It sounds like your view of Catholicism isn't off, it's righ
54 MD-90 : 777236ER, your points are not necessarily inaccurate, but that doesn't make Catholicism a cult. By the way, the Catholic Church educates 12% of all ch
55 DfwRevolution : That is an incorrect statement because it is too broad and unfocused. The second connotation would seem to prove my point exactly. And ask the early R
56 777236ER : It seems to me that the so-called "children" where mostly teenaged boys who were simply under-18 when the gay priests messed around with them. Nine-ye
57 TACAA320 : "I consider Catholicism false, as do many others including other Christians. They live in an unconventional manner with respect to other Christians, a
58 777236ER : Don't judge others, if you don't want to be judged! I don't care if other judge me, and I don't believe in God so why should I care if he judges me?
59 Post contains images TACAA320 : " I don't care if other judge me, and I don't believe in God so why should I care if he judges me? " Your not atheist only, but so bitter
60 Jasepl : I don't buy into religion myself, but most of the posts in this thread make me respect the more Eastern religions even more. Zoroastrianism and Hindui
61 Seb146 : At the base of it all, EVERY religion is a cult. They all have their own rites, rules, secrets, and teachings. About the Catholics and Mormons: They h
62 TACAA320 : Seb146 Catholics are Christians, Jews not. Never ever heard about "Prodistants". Are you meaning "Protestants"? If yes, the other answer is also YES.
63 Redngold : Y'know, I'm not going to publicly touch this topic with a ten foot pole. I will say this, though... I have been approached and hurt by members of one
64 Ctbarnes : They have secrets...At the Vatican, there are places only the hieracrhy of the Church are allowed and writings only the highest members of the church
65 TACAA320 : "They have secrets. I think it is strange how non-Mormons are not allowed into temples and other areas controlled by the LDS Church. At the Vatican, t
66 TACAA320 : "I don't care if other judge me, and I don't believe in God so why should I care if he judges me?" If you don't believe in him, WHY do you state the l
67 Seb146 : At the Vatican? I have seen videos and read books on rooms and catacombs in the Vatican where only Swiss guard and Cardinals, Bishops and Popes can go
68 TACAA320 : "At the Vatican? I have seen videos and read books on rooms and catacombs in the Vatican where only Swiss guard and Cardinals, Bishops and Popes can g
69 PROSA : About the Catholics and Mormons: They have secrets. I think it is strange how non-Mormons are not allowed into temples and other areas controlled by t
70 Post contains links Ctbarnes : Yes there is a secret Vatican Archives, however it can be used for research. Most of the things in the archive are in Italian, though. My guess is tha
71 Post contains images SSTjumbo : 777236ER: Bullshit. By definition, members of a certain organised religion are part of that religion because they feel it's the right one, which is au
72 MD-90 : A disgusting statement, you're actually trying to defend the priests and what the Catholic church did by pointing out that the children (yes, they all
73 TACAA320 : "I wouldn't disagree that Catholicism has many extrabiblical aspects to it, some of which would bother me if I was a Catholic (such as the veneration
74 777236ER : SSTjumbo: It's up to the individual to determine their own fate, and I'm not to judge whether they are inherently good or evil because of that. Sorry,
75 Ctbarnes : Sorry, you're a member of a religion that judges people, whether you 'do it personally' or not. Believing in Christianity is a belief that your god is
76 Post contains images TWFirst : >>I'm also Irish. Does that mean I have to like potatoes?
77 Yukimizake : Yes there is a secret Vatican Archives, .... , My guess is that the restricted access has more to do with preservation of original or fragile document
78 Post contains images Superfly : Seb146: Thanks for pointing that out and correcting me. I got Coke and Pepsi mixed up. I knew it was one of the two. It's too bad for them because Cok
79 SSTjumbo : Sorry, you're a member of a religion that judges people, whether you 'do it personally' or not. Believing in Christianity is a belief that your god is
80 TACAA320 : "Despite the media's style books, the more accurate depiction of most of the priests would be homosexual, not pedophile." Why do you think that most o
81 Yukimizake : "Yeah, maybe, but they definitely have secrets to keep, like the details of Pius XII's connections with the Germans during WWII." 'If you already know
82 Boeing7E7 : Christianity is not a cult.
83 Post contains images TACAA320 : "What is known is that there was a connection, what remains unclear is the full extent of the relationship. Also, having ties to the Nazis is kind of
84 Post contains links TACAA320 : " In recent years, the media have accused the Catholic Church of either helping the Nazis or being silent during the Holocaust. As an example, the Jan
85 Post contains images Superfly : TACAA320: Right wing conservatives in the United States HATE Catholics and view them as 2nd. class Christians. Once the Christian Taliban-like Republi
86 TACAA320 : Superfly It's really sad to know that "some" Americans HATE other people due to their religion beliefs. Hate is hsitorically the main reason of wars a
87 777236ER : Christianity is not a cult. It fits all the criteria. Why isn't it?
88 Post contains images Ctbarnes : >>I'm also Irish. Does that mean I have to like potatoes?
89 Post contains links Yukimizake : 'Source: http://users.binary.net/polycarp/piusxii.html ' Interesting source, 'A Catholic Response'!!!. Do you seriously think any non-catholic is goin
90 Post contains images TACAA320 : "Interesting source, 'A Catholic Response'!!!. Do you seriously think any non-catholic is going to take this garbage seriously". You may see garbage a
91 Yukimizake : 'You may see garbage anywhere you want. Like I do in your previous post' Taca, I expected better from you than that. Did you read the article I provid
92 Post contains images TACAA320 : Yukimizake, I also expect a much better answer from you than a simple "garbage" referred to reply #84! You gave not a SINGLE reason to support your th
93 JoseMEX : TACAA320, Can you please e-mail me? My address is in my profile.
94 Ctbarnes : Unfortunately, Yukimizake, I don't see anything you have posted as particularly factual. All I see are conspiracy theories and innuendo supported by s
95 Yukimizake : 'You gave not a SINGLE reason......' 'I'm not also denying any facts.' 'I don't see anything you have posted as particularly factual' I guess you didn
96 Ctbarnes : guess you didn't read the article I posted, there are 2 key points; Actually I did. I also note this article is from 2001, and quite a bit of ink has
97 Post contains links JoseMEX : Yukimikaze, Here's two links for you, which might clear things up a little bit: http://www.catholicleague.org/research/judeo-catholic.htm http://www.c
98 Yukimizake : 'This issue has been investigated to death ...... ' And it will continue to be investigated for as long as the Vatican denies access to relevant docum
99 Post contains links JoseMEX : >Maybe you, Taca, and now JoseMEX can provide an answer as to why the Vatican continues to withhold information?
100 Ctbarnes : The papers were released in 2003. Charles, SJ
101 Yukimizake : 'The papers were released in 2003.' I see that now in the second link provided by JoseMEX. It says that the commission submitted its findings to the '
102 TACAA320 : Yukimizake, don't especulate anymore please. I think is enough. You said that : "I guess you didn't read the article I posted, there are 2 key points;
103 Yukimizake : Taca, Sure it's off topic, it started when I disagreed with Ctbarnes' statement in reply #70 'My guess is that the restricted access has more to do wi
104 Ctbarnes : Now that the commission has submitted it's results, do you know if they have been made available to the public, are they online? I'm interested in rea
105 Post contains links TACAA320 : I will try to find it if it's on line. Must be but don't know for sure. Here's a link that maybe, just maybe help. http://users.binary.net/polycarp/ A
106 SmithAir747 : Response to Superfly: In fact, there are many groups/conspiracy theorists that actually believe that Catholics are NOT Christians. In fact, these enti
107 Ctbarnes : these entities believe in grand, convoluted conspiracy theories in which Catholics (or more specifically, the Jesuit order) want to take over the whol
108 Post contains images SSTjumbo : 777236ER SSTjumbo: Sorry, I have my facts and you have your bias, but that's also fine if you want it that way. For some cookie-esque reason, I can't
109 Dc10guy : Religion and faith in God are 2 separate things ... Having said that. I think the Mormon church is great. Why can't we have an "All American" Church ?
110 Post contains images Superfly : Ctbarnes: How 'bout it Superfly? Want to help me plot a coup? You've got my full support Father Ctbarnes! SmithAir747: It certainly doesn't suprise me
111 TACAA320 : Hi SmithAir747, Do you any link about those theories? Thanks,
112 777236ER : Okay, let's see here, that's why Pope John II worshipped God/Allah in a Mosque, in the presence of Muslims? Sorry, I have my facts and you have your b
113 Post contains links SmithAir747 : Response to TACAA320: Here are the links to the two conspiracy theorists' websites: Jack T. Chick (Chick Publications) http://www.chick.com This websi
114 Boeing7E7 : EVERY organized religion is a cult. I was raised Mormon, and let me tell you it is a cult. Catholics are a cult. Baptist are a cult. Only Mormonism is
115 SSTjumbo : You want facts? Answer me this then: in your religion is there only one true God? One true god indeed. There are many explanations of the trinity, but
116 Boeing7E7 : Having said that. I think the Mormon church is great. Why can't we have an "All American" Church ??? Mormonism isn't an "All American Church", it's a
117 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : Just some reading on Mormonism.... http://gnosis.org/ahp.htm
118 Post contains images ZKJIM : Hate is hsitorically the main reason of wars around the world I think that "hate" stems from religion a hell of a lot of the time. And Catholicism bit
119 Post contains images TACAA320 : "If the Pope had the Ten Commandment tablets and the Holy Grail, they'd be on display as proof. The Mormons claim the golden tablets are in the temple
120 Ctbarnes : the pure hypocrisy of a lot of the priests in my parish.... I have so many gripes with this. Know what would happen if the Church got rid of all the h
121 777236ER : 777236ER, belive what you wish, but that's what I believe, and that's the heart of the church's beliefs. Others may come up with their own interpretat
122 TACAA320 : In a few words only God can decide who go to heaven and who doesn't.
123 SSTjumbo : 777236ER, once again, that's not for me to decide. I believe it's not my decision whether I or anyone else gets into heaven. There's no easy way to pu
124 SLC1 : I have a somewhat interesting view on mormonism considering I used to be one, but differ doctrinally (since there are some pretty weird beliefs-go to
125 ZKJIM : My belief is that there is no Heaven and I niether want nor need anyone telling me that i am damned for that. That's arrogant bullsh*t. I know what re
126 777236ER : 777236ER, once again, that's not for me to decide. I believe it's not my decision whether I or anyone else gets into heaven. There's no easy way to pu
127 Post contains images TACAA320 : "My belief is that there is no Heaven and I niether[sic] want nor need anyone telling me that i am damned for that. That's arrogant bullsh*t. I know w
128 ZKJIM : Trying to tell others that god decides who gets into heaven. That's stubborn. I have spiritual beliefs. I don't impose them on others and have never h
129 SSTjumbo : Is it written in the bible that someone who worships many gods is a sinner? Yes, the first commandment. However, bible scholar, isn't it noted that Je
130 TACAA320 : "Trying to tell others that god decides who gets into heaven. That's stubborn. I have spiritual beliefs. I don't impose them on others and have never
131 777236ER : Yes, the first commandment. However, bible scholar, isn't it noted that Jesus had a preference for the least of people and the greatest of sinners and
132 SSTjumbo : So you discriminate against those of others religions, balls to tollerance. SSTjumbo: isn't it noted that Jesus had a preference for the least of peop
133 Seb146 : Re: Mormons I had heard the Golden Tablets that were shown to Joseph Smith were taken back by the angel after they were translated. I have also heard
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