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Great White Sharks Vs Killer Whales  
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

Ok, something that has intrigued me for a while now.

Which one of these two are the strongest/most dangerous? Also which one would you prefer to see in real life in a wild environment?

One last thing, who would win in a fight between the Great White Shark and the Killer Whale?



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User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

Personally I would love to see a Killer whale in real ocean and not in Sea World like I did already.
I don't like the sharks because they look more harsh then the cute Killer Whale Big grin


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

If I recall, there have been observations that the Killer Whale has done in a Great White from time to time. Especially if young calves are at risk.

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

Remember that advert (UK only maybe?) where 2 Killer Whales played tennis (using their tails)with a man dressed up as a seal? It would be hilarious if 2 Killer Whales played Tennis with OYRJA before gobbling him up  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7004 times:

I'm pretty sure the killer whale has the advantage, with its sheer size alone. Also since the Orca is a social creature it also hunts in co-ordinated packs, it would rarely succomb to great white threat.


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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1819 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6999 times:

Which one of these two are the strongest/most dangerous?

Both are equally strong, but the killer whale is a more intelligent creature and won't attack just about anything. Great White sharks, on the other hand, are extremely temperamental and are known to attack everything, including humans.

Killer whales are found in colonies, which is a proof of their social behaviour and therefore, intelligence. Great Whites, like all other sharks, are solitary hunters.

Their hunting skills, of course, are equally impressive and they are both equally important ecologically.

Also which one would you prefer to see in real life in a wild environment?
I would prefer a killer whale, like I said, sharks are temperamental.

who would win in a fight between the Great White Shark and the Killer Whale?

This is a difficult one, pretty much depends on the size of the animals which are fighting. They can both be equally fierce and are equally strong. But since killer whales are always in groups, an attack on one member of the group will result in the entire group retaliating fiercely. So only a foolhardy shark will take on a group of killer whales



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

Cheers for the responses so far  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14132 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6962 times:

One problem is that there exists very little research on White Sharks, but recent research points that the sharks are much more intelligent than previously credited. They are also curious and like to play. The problem is their migration pattern, where research is just in the infancy. I´ve seen footage of a White Shark clearly enjoying having it´s tummy scratched by a diver.
Experiments with other shark species carried out by Cousteau back in the 1970s indicate that sharks can be trained and can make simple logical conclusions, like find behing which door to find food.
I think in nature, a Great White Shark and an Orca will mostly just avoid each other. Both actually feed mainly one seals, not on each other.
Also, IMO, human perception of sharks has been largely influenced by horror stories and movies like "Jaws".

Up to a few decades ago, wolves were accused of being man killers, recent research debunked all the horror stories as myths.

Jan


User currently offlineHkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6950 times:

Interesting question and I agree that the Killer Whale would win, at least 7 or 8 times out of 10 against the Great White. The Orca aside from superior strength, size & intelligence is also far more maneuverable. The GW's movement is limited, and it will be incapable of turning around into position in time. There won't be much of a fight as the Orca will manhandle the shark. It's not much of a contest, but then again anything can happen in the wild so we can't completely disregard the GW's chances.

Other interesting scenarios:

1. Great White Shark vs. Saltwater Crocodile
2. Siberian Tiger vs. Siberian Brown Bear
3. African Lion vs. Bengal Tiger

What say you all for the above scenarios?

Hkg82.


User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1053 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6927 times:

Whoever (falsely) named the Orca "Killer Whale" was probably a Seal. (Pun intended Big grin )


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User currently offlinePJ295 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6913 times:

Since we are on this animal vs. animal subject, I thought I would share this program with you. Last year I remember seeing a program on the discovery channel where a simulation was run to see which animal would prevail in a face off. Here is a link
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/animalfaceoff/animalfaceoff.html


User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6903 times:

3. African Lion vs. Bengal Tiger

Viva la Africa! Big grin

Kirk , what about a Praying mantis against an SA006? *nudge nudge*

Rgds  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
SA006



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User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6886 times:

Unless the Great White were a monster 20 footer with a pack of 20 footers with it then it may have a chance against the Killer Whale. But when that big old Killer Whale gets moving and is determined it is determined.

User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 6874 times:

Orca's may be regarded as intelligent, but Great Whites too show some signs of 'intelligence'. It was mentioned above that Orca's hunt in packs. You only need to go back a few weeks when off the South Australian coast a surfer was attacked and bitten in half by two great whites who were hunting together. If two can hunt together, what is stopping 10 or 20 hunting together?

We know so much about orca's due to being able to get up close to them on a regular basis. But very little is actually known about great whites, and we are learning new things about them regularly, e.g. the attack I mentioned above.

If it was a one on one fight, a great white would likely win.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14132 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 6865 times:

Most animals have too much sense to get themselves into combat situations. The exception would be if one is much smaller and therefore considered to be food for the bigger one or if they are forced into a tight corner.

Jan


User currently offlineCopper1 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

A few years ago on TV there was a clip shot in the wild of this exact confrontation, A solitary killer whale vs. a great white shark. It was no contest, the killer whale won big time.

Both were good sized examples but the killer whale's size and strength made it no contest.

Pretty cool to watch though.

Jeff


User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6845 times:

Here's that video

http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9710/08/whale.vs.shark/whale.shark.15.mov


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6846 times:

Also, if anyone wants to know the true POWER of the Killer Whale... research the "Walking Whales" of Patagonia:
these b!tches are so intense that they will actually inchworm their way out of the water, sometimes completely onto a beach; to grab seals or whatever prey they may be after. They've developed such overall body-strength that they can decompress their internal organs to move around on land, in ways that would strand any other whale/dolphin; even other Orcas who lack the breeding/experience for the maneuver.



I've thusfar only seen this on TV, but it's something I hope to observe in person very soon!


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6821 times:

ConcordeBoy: I've thusfar only seen this on TV, but it's something I hope to observe in person very soon!

I don´t think they´ll like your taste that much. But points for selflessness all the same....  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9655 posts, RR: 68
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6824 times:
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dude.

Killer whales are SKETCHY.

What freaks me out is when you see these morons kayaking amongst the whales. HELLO? Those things might be mellow, but they scare the crap out of me. They just look like killing machines.



User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6793 times:



If a Killer Whale can turn young Jesse's life around, I don't see why it couldn't destroy a Great White.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8735 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6785 times:

Clickhappy, I think Orcas are a bit too smart for attacking appetizer-sized pieces of flesh holding toothpicks... Big grin


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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6759 times:

Sometimes you can't help it, but you're not supposed to get too close to orcas in the wild. Of course there are laws regarding this (big surprise), but I would think that it's just prudent. I've read a really good book about orca researchers in the 1970s who were the first to free swim with orcas. They were rather apprehensive of it, but nothing happened, of course.

Orcas are more intelligent (by orders of magnitude) than sharks, live in pods (the larger sharks don't), are warm-blooded, and probably stronger than any shark (with the possible exception of Bruce, the star of Jaws).

I want to go sea kayaking in Johnstone Strait and see the orcas, myself.


User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6730 times:

Hey Orcas have killed humans before too, so don't rule them out as being tame. Generally they are good tempered but if a human was faced with and angry orca or an angry shark, it would end with the same result.

Orca vs GW, hard to say, a GW IMO

what about an orca pod or a group of GWs against a Blue whale? Yes BWs are much much bugger, but they have no teeth and feed on plankton, the others however feed on Meat.


User currently offlineJetMechMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 380 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6724 times:

My money would be on the Orca every time.


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25 Clickhappy : actually has there ever been a documented killer whale attack on a human? I think maybe 1 or 2, at the most. That being said, they still scare the hec
26 ConcordeBoy : actually has there ever been a documented killer whale attack on a human? Dunno, but (off topic), despite their bad-press through folklore, there's ne
27 Post contains links Clickhappy : dunno man. http://www.usa4id.com/Documents/Documented%20Human%20Wolf%20Attacks.htm In Northern India since 1996 there has been more than 80 people kil
28 Post contains links ConcordeBoy : Interesting ClickHappy. Apparently, my statement is limited to N.America. The following article explains that as well as touches on the India story: h
29 Post contains links Aerobalance : Out here in California we are blessed to have local populations of Great White sharks inhabit the waters off our central coast. We also have reports o
30 VonRichtofen : "Both are equally strong" "If it was a one on one fight, a great white would likely win." Negative. Great whites may be big, but Orca's are massive an
31 MD-90 : Yes, there has been one documented attack of an orca attacking a surfer in California. The whale bit the surfboard (possibly the surfer too, I forget,
32 Post contains images GKirk : Some great stuff here, thanks guys Never realised some others would be fascinated by this sort of thing Oh, and SA006, the praying mantis would just h
33 Mdsh00 : I think the Orca would b!tchslap the Great White, hands down. By the way, there is a huge misconception running here. Orcas are not whales but porpois
34 Post contains images Thom@s : I wonder how many boys were crushed by the whale before they got the great cover shot...? Btw, Willy (aka "Keiko") died of the flu or something a yea
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