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$1B Given To Faith-Based Groups In 2003  
User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050102/ap_on_go_ot/federal_faith

"WASHINGTON - The government gave more than $1 billion in 2003 to organizations it considers "faith-based," with some going to programs where prayer and spiritual guidance are central and some to organizations that do not consider themselves religious at all"
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It seems all these groups mentioned in the article were Christian Groups......I dont see any mention of a Jewish, Muslim,Buddist Group recieving anything. You know if a Jewish group recieved somthing the press would report it......Im starting to smell a RAT that is only being doled out to a single faith group that being the Christians. Other faith groups have applied.

Have we entered the AGE of Theocracy in America???????.....Now I see why they flocked to the polls to crown Mesiah George.....they were bought off..

Cant wait for the 2004 report.


Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
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User currently offlineBravo7e7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

Come on! This is really sad. Get a life. The Salvation Army is a religious organization as are many others which do not have prayers and spiritual stuff. Christianity is the largest religion in the country and therefore has a lot of organizations which receive money from the govt.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17330 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

"Have we entered the AGE of Theocracy in America???????....."

Age of theocracy? No. Age of paranoia? Yes.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

What the US seems to have entered, is an Age dominated by Talibornagains, ie. quite radical christians.

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8684 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

I don't like it when any government gives any religious organization money. The Salvation Army is a bit difficult, but I'm sure there'd be a way for them to classify themselves as "not faith-based" - and since it'd be about money, they would probably not have a problem with it.

In Germany, when you're a member of an "officially recognised" religion such as the Lutheran Church, part of your income is automatically deducted as "Church tax" by tax authorities and passed on to the church you're a member of. Very much of that money is used for deaconry, kindergartens, counselling and preventing churches from collapsing; that's why I can live with the slight lack of separation of church and state in this case and am going to stay a member of my Church.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineStowAway From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 640 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Damn the White House! Damn them for giving money to a soup kitchen, a place that helps people with AIDS.... DAMN THEM!!!!!



Yes, sarcasm



A monkey's ass always talks crap.
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

As long as I don't see signs of this aid out there to promote a certain faith or religon, I have no problem with it.

Faith-based groups have always been a large part of the American "heart" towards it's fellow citizens.

I have been wary about Bush's push on this issue, and have kept an eye on it, but so far, he's kept his word, and his administration has been very firm on making sure the money wasn't used to push a certain faith or viewpoint.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17330 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1748 times:

I am no fan of religion but religious organizations do a ton of community service and they are often better equipped to get deep into a community than any government organization ever could. If they do a good job, it makes total sense to "outsource" giving to those religious institutions.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

You know if a Jewish group recieved somthing the press would report it......

Actually, many Jewish groups do benefit from Bush's faith based policies. Orthodox Judaism is the fastest growing branch of Judaism in the US and believe or not, they are fairly socially conservative. Since they are more involved with religion in their lives, they benefit from Bush's policies--Of course since there are many more Christians than Jews, many more Christians than Jews will benefit...But there are still many religious Jews who benefit.

Basically, the argument about faith-based programs isn't about Christianity vs Judaism vs Islam, it is the religious vs the secularists.


User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

RJpieces

Ok so you state that this initiative is being distributed to other groups of faith......Ill accept that. Now does the percentage of giving to Christian groups far excede the other faiths or what is the rate of rejection on both sides after all you do have to apply for this assistance and not every wish is granted.



Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

Ok so you state that this initiative is being distributed to other groups of faith......Ill accept that. Now does the percentage of giving to Christian groups far excede the other faiths or what is the rate of rejection on both sides after all you do have to apply for this assistance and not every wish is granted.

Since Christian groups are the overwhelming tool of faith-based programs in the U.S., I'd say that a higher percentage are acceptaed AND reject, Rsmith.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

After reading through the newsblip, I'm disappointed that they left out this little gem:

The Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) today announced 50 new grants totaling more than $31 million to help communities develop and put in place abstinence-only education programs for adolescents ages 12 through 18.

http://newsroom.hrsa.gov/releases/2004/Abed2004.htm

.. and at the same time, the justice department have issued its first ever medical guidelines for treating rape victims - and funny enough, these guidelines completely omits any mentioning of the morning-after pill. But hey, that's okay, because according to some Republicans, "they don't get pregnant." "(P)eople who are raped-- who are truly raped--the juices don't flow, the body functions don't work"

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/10536368.htm?1c
http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1995/vp950706/07060381.htm

But hey, look at this:
A Spokane woman trying to divorce her estranged husband two years after he was jailed for beating her has been told by a judge she can’t get out of the marriage while she’s pregnant.
http://www.theolympian.com/home/news/20050101/northwest/60208.shtml

Looks like it's going to be a tough 4 years for girls & women across the good ol' US of A. Really in love with that boyfriend of yours? Sorry, gotta get married first, even if you divorce 3 years down the road! Not really in love with your husband & pregnant with another man? Sorry, gotta stick together for the child! Raped & beaten last night - and now you're pregnant? Tough luck - but enjoy the baby!

[Edited 2005-01-03 00:04:34]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

The Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA) today announced 50 new grants totaling more than $31 million to help communities develop and put in place abstinence-only education programs for adolescents ages 12 through 18.

That part I have a problem with. Bush put in an abstinence-only education program in Texas-not allowed to teach about abortion or anything else-and it's ben an abject failure, and the birth rate on teens as gone UP.

So now, the very prudish on the far right want to do this nationwide. On this part, they're ignorant idiots.  Smile


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Randall, you need a girlfriend/boyfriend....something to give you something to do, other than post this stuff day in and day out....get a clue.

And as for the Christians turning out to vote in mass...it wasn't for the aid, I can guarantee it. My church doesn't really see this aid per se, but well over 85% of us went Republican...has to do with the candidates platforms, not who'd give more money to us. Deal with it. Cry me a river.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

1. I have a wife and been married for 20 years........and as long as the mods allow me to post here I will post article about this administration follies or flops. Why should you care if you are sure that Bush was the right person for the office.

>has to do with the candidates platforms,<

Such as Homosexuality????

Such as Guns??????......your a fool if you beleive that DEMS are antiGuns

Such as abortion......How many innocent lives have been lost in Iraq.

When Georgees policy's catch up to you you will have a different opinion about the platform that Bush stood for such as the day the USA becomes a servce industry country. Delta Guy I have held a licence to PREACH the Gospel under the endorsement of the Southern Baptist commision I held it for 4 years until my wife was unable to handle the pressures of the position........I have looked at Bushes claim to being Born again evangelical Christian, I see no evidence that he is serious in his faith......after all a real Christian could admit their mistakes and not about a baseball team either. Bush is to Proud to be in the faith. Bush has given us three different reasons for invading Iraq each time he has mentioned a new reason he has dismissed the former answering with basicly a contrary answer.

Those that voted for Bush will find out soon enough they have voted against their own best intrest.



Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Everyone knows that all other religions are false. Only born agains are going to heaven.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Delta Guy I have held a licence to PREACH the Gospel under the endorsement of the Southern Baptist commision

Good thing I'm not southern baptist, I'm Episcopalian.....you seem like a wildcard, because for the most part, at least down here, the Southern Baptist churches are overwhelmingly right wing for pretty much the same reasons. If you do go back to preaching, please let us know, I'll be sure to put it on the no-fly list of churches.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1627 times:
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Your claim to be a man of the cloth conflicts with your issue and lack of research on the faith based initiatives.

I agree that the abstinence only deal is a problem, but the Surgeon General has had a written policy since the 80s that says clearly that abstinence is the only sure method to avoid STD's and pregnancy, and that using a condom comes in second.

The decision to avoid funding private sex ed programs that teach nothing but abstinence is a waste of time for the most part, but one that has been politically required because a good number of voters demanded it.

Rssmith...if you preached as a member of the SBC you would have had to be going against alot of what you claim to believe in. Are you sure it was as a Southern Baptist that you preached, and if so when did you decide that they were wrong about everything because I am sure you would not have lied to them about your beliefs.



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User currently offlineJetMechMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 380 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

Such as Guns??????......your a fool if you beleive that DEMS are antiGuns


And you a fool to believe that they are not. Every major piece of Gun-Control legislation passed in the last 20 years was written by Democrats.



"I get along great with nobody"~ Billy Idol
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1601 times:

Episcopalian, Southern Baptist ??? Same, same. No difference.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
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