Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1689 times:
Maverick-in all fairness, I don't think you liked it when the U.S. was bashed for it's initial offering of $35 million and the grief President Bush took over it, so why don't you perhaps have the courtesy of giving the House of Saud a little more time before telling us to "draw conclusions."
That's only fair, man.
But again, who the fuck CARES which country gives the most or the least, as long as the world is getting the money there, and the aid is getting there. This isn't some freaking money Olympics is it?
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6181 posts, RR: 74 Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1667 times:
We can't scream what's generous and what's not... Every country has their own sets of priorities... Yes people have been disappointed.. They're giving 10m USD while last year they raised 150m USD for families of suicide bombers. They got different priorities... we got our priorities. However, every penny counts !
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Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1635 times:
All that our pals, the House of Saud (you know them, the ones that the House of Bush kisses up to) are good at is spending money on designer gold plated potties ($ 1 million a pop), buying private 747-400s for Prince Mah-too-tight-disha-dasha to visit Geneva to buy patek phillipe watches for his many wives($ 150 million a pop), and dispensing hush money to nut-case Islamo fascists ($$$ -- anyone's guess).
If just one of those Saudi princesses sold her jewelry collection, they'd have another $ 50 million to trot off to Indonesia (assuming that Buddhist Thais and Sri Lankans, and Hindu and Christian Indians aren't worthy of their largesse).
$ 10 million by the House of Saud is even more atrocious than the pitiful amount first offered by Dubya.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5394 posts, RR: 19 Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1602 times:
This morning CNN mentioned the donation of 10 million USD and put it into a an interesting perspective, by comparing it with the telethon, (state?) organized in Saudi Arabia some time ago, which generated 150 million USD for the families of the Palestinian suicide bombers.
Compassion and help to millions brothers in faith, who lost everything? No, thank you. Glorification of mass murderers and terrorists? Any money you want!
Airplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1536 times:
There are a lot of silly parallels being drawn here. First of all, it shouldn't matter what faith these people are. Why should we take ownership of something based on faith? Why doesn't the US step in to stop the fighting in Northern Ireland? The short answer is that it is none of their business...
Secondly, it is still quite early in the game. Most countries have sent initial aid and are following up with personal visits to determine the best course of action. The US, Canada and Saudi Arabia are no different in this regard.
Just because there was an announcement of 10 million dollars doesn't mean there won't be more to follow.
African Union 0.10
New Zealand 3.60
South Korea 5.00
World Bank 250.00
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Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1500 times:
Many of these figures are misleading/outdated and seem to 'omit' other contributions.
Saudi Arabia 20.00 (where did you get $10m from???)
in addition to:
Oman 8.00 (even though they have also been effected by the tsunami)
Now these are the initial sums donated by each government and I expect that to go higher (the US and UK increased their donations after their initial sum). Also donations by the Arab general public and charities are significant.
In addition Arab rescue workers make up the second largest foreign body in Indonesia after the Australians.
I hope we don't forget the victims of this horrendous tragedy and end this childish bickering.
Ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12338 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1477 times:
This isn't to 'bash Muslims', but to render an opinion with some justification.
In Kuwait, there has been critizism for their lack of donations, and will probably grow in the next few days. There is another issue here too, that it may be difficult for these Islamic countries leaders to give to some areas due to fears of monies going to support Islamic terror groups. I would also add that Saudi Arabia and other very rich oil producing countries in the Islamic Middle East got rich by selling oil at recently very high prices to the citizens of India and other affected countries, thus some 'rebate' in the realm of a Billion USD or so from them would be realistic. I would also note, that they may be a source of financing in the long run for the Islamic areas, but maybe with strings attached, such as funding religious schools, Mosques, and faith based charity. They may also be directing their donations via religious organizations, that may not appear in the media numbers due to various cultural issues, like that one doesn't brag about how much they are contributing. I hope the Arab satallite news stations heap critizism on their regions leaders to up their contributions to the Tusami vicitms, maybe shifting monies from supporting terror in Iraq against the USA and against Israel via the Palistitians to the Islamic victims of the recent tragedy.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15742 posts, RR: 48 Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1414 times:
"I don't recall the Vatican stepping up when "Christian" countries suffer disasters. Why should other "Muslim" countries take ownership here? "
Apparently Bush should have jumped behind a camera the instant the earthquake hit with a cape and tights on, and offered 100 billion dollars.
There's NO CONSISTENCY in the attacks here. The US never does enough, or never does anything right, but when you actually point the finger at governments that actually ARE doing a sh!tty job, all of a sudden it becomes a childish skirmish.
Frankly I don't care, but if you're going to chastize the US for not acting soon enough or donating enough money, then you should be demonstrating in the streets because the Middle East has performed pitifully...as expected.
"Tying this all to religion is silly."
I'm just pointing out the outrageous hypocrisy. The US is chastized for not doing enough, but when I point out that Muslim countries have done nothing compared to the US, it's childish, or Muslim bashing, or you-name-it. The US is chastized for doing more to harm Muslims the world over, when it probably does more for them than just about every other country combined.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1389 times:
The Arab gulf nations are contributing very well to the Tsunami disasters and since they announced the financial aid, almost all of the countries have increased that aid.
As of December 31, Qatar was the #1 contributer of aid for the Tsunami disaster per capita.
Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states are not far behind Qatar when it comes to aid per capita.
You cannot simply look at the total amount, you must compare the sum per capita.
The UAE's national airline, IN ADDITION, to the financial aid is dedicating all cargo space on Etihad Airways' flights to Asia for supplies, food, clothing, etc. to the tsunami victims.
In addition, UAE government cargo aircraft have been flying aid to Sri Lanka and Thailand.
I watched on Al Jazeera a big building in the UAE full of Red Crescent employees filling bags and crates with all sorts of supplies. Most of the aid the UAE is contributing is an actual supplies, not in financial aid.
$10 million was the initial amount Saudi Arabia dedicated to the tsunami disaster and this has continuously increased. I don't know what it is now.
So yes, this is another attempt to bash Muslims and the Arab world based on false and twisted facts.
And I will say it again, when you want to compare what nation is giving the most aid, it must be compared to per capita, not total sum amount.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1373 times:
I hope you realize your $10 million aid from Saudi Arabia number is more than a week old, announced on December 27. Infact, I posted that number and some other numbers in a post last week, so your numbers are indeed out of date.
Saudi aid is now up to $30 million and is expected to increase further. UAE aid is now up to $20 million and is also expected to increase further.
Per Capita all the wealthy Arab states are contributing extremely well.
Qatar, which is a tiny and lightly populated country has contributed $25 million which is excellent considering the population of this tiny country is just 840,000.
That means Qatar's aid per capita is about $30.
Saudi Arabia's aid per capita is $1.20. Just to compare, US aid per capita is $1.18, so for all you Saudi bashers, Saudi Arabia's aid is on par with US aid, yet the US is a much much much richer country. The US' GDP per capita is more than three times that of Saudi Arabia, yet Saudi Arabia's aid per capita to the tsunami victims is just slightly above that of the US!
But hey, it is easy and convenient to bash the Arab and Muslim world.
The wealth of Saudi Arabia is exaggerated, especially since over the years it has dropped as a result of increased oil competition and rising population (now it is around 25 million, including 5 million non-nationals).
So people, stop the usual "But Saudi Arabia is so rich! They should be able to contribute more!" rhetoric, it's getting old. Like I said, the US' GDP per capita is more than three times that of Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia is suffering from increased oil competition and a great rise in population.
UAE's aid per capita is now $8, again quite generous.
Qatar, the UAE, and Kuwait are all richer per capita than Saudi Arabia and have much smaller populations.
Bahrain is no longer a very rich country as its oil reserves have run dry and they are marketting tourism and investment. However, its aid is around $12 per capita which is extremely generous for a "not so rich" tiny island nation.
Kuwait's aid per capita is around $5 right now.
Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan are all countries that are far from rich, and I have to say for their aid contribution is quite generous considering the dire state that they are in.
Oman which is not as rich as the UAE, Qatar, and Kuwait, and was hit quite badly by the tsunami is contributing around $2.80 per capita, again, quite good.
What's next, are we going to start criticizing poor African nations like Tanzania for not contributing enough to the tsunami disaster?
Luxembourg is the world's richest country per capita (which is what counts). Does that mean Luxembourg is supposed to try to match the United States' $350 million?
It's easy to bash Arabs and Muslims, and that is exactly what this thread is about. I've noticed your trend MaverickM11, and I must say it is quite sad to see how blinded and full of hate you are...
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
25 ConcordeBoy: Gotta agree with Maverick... the anti-US/pro-whomever hyprocrisy on this thread (relevant to sooooo many others) is abhorrent!
26 Pilotaydin: "Prince Mah-too-tight-disha-dasha " come on man..... do you feel better when you mock other societies and cultures...everyone is human, nothing more o
27 EmiratesA345: "I knew I liked her for more than her girl-next-door-looks." I knew I liked her for the way she drove that GM Fishbowl. lol It's always a competition.
28 RobertNL070: USA $350m in government donations, plus military assistance involving 12,600 personnel, 21 ships, 14 cargo planes and 48 helicopters. Private donation
29 L410Turbolet: I believe that pretty much the whole of Europe is to grind to a complete halt for three minutes silence at 12:00 CET Wednesday 5 January. Awesome. Is
30 MaverickM11: ""Prince Mah-too-tight-disha-dasha " come on man..... do you feel better when you mock other societies and cultures...everyone is human, nothing more
31 MartinairYYZ: Only $10 million is extremely cheap....... even Canada, a country with only 30 million people and portrayed by many as an icecap has donated more....
32 L-188: NBC news had a story about some of the arab reporting of the disaster tonight and took a swipe at the lack of mid-east donations in the story. Apparen
33 MD11Engineer: Well, this imam should better go back to geographics class. Most of the victims are Muslims. In fact Aceh has been for the last few years the home of
34 BA: People, will you please leave religion and politics out of this please. As Falcon84 said, this is not a competition and countries and people should co
35 MaverickM11: "So stop this "Muslim nations should be providing most of the humanitarian aid because the majority of those affected are Muslims" rhetoric." Just poi
36 MD11Engineer: BA, I was refering to the fact that the country with the highest number of victims, Indonesia, IS in fact a Muslim country and to the interview with t
37 Mandala499: Errr... just how do we define a Muslim country here? State religion (like UK is Anglican Church), or just by population proportion? mandala499
38 QR332: Mandala, In Saudi Arabia its both, state religion and population majority. Indonesia is a Muslim country, and many Muslims died in Sri Lanka as well (
39 MD11Engineer: Mandala, In this case I was using percentage of the population for a definition. I know that here are huge minorities living in different regions of t
40 Jaysit: Maybe Suha Arafat can do some volunteer work too. After all, her husband is now dead and gone, and she has billions to her name. And there are just th
41 MaverickM11: "Suha should organize a volunteer mission to Aceh with the other wives of Arab potentates (living or dead), where they can get down and dirty and dist
42 Yyz717: The following article in Canada's national newspaper today highlights the disgracefully low tsumani assistance by Muslim nations. It's shameful. http:
43 MaverickM11: "Yussef Kanaan, a senior member of the 57-member Organization of the Islamic Conference, said the West started being generous only after Jan Egeland,
44 Rjpieces: I started a new thread with these articles and it was deleted because of the double post, so here they are again. Two interesting articles; I only pos
45 MaverickM11: There's also a major editorial in the WSJ ripping them a new one....rightly so. http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110531822787421236,00.html?mod=opin
46 British767: All I would say is, it's better than nothing.
47 KWI: Hi Guys, Just so you're all aware, the State of Kuwait will actually be donating $100,000,000 (one hundred million dollars)...not so stingy, eh? KWI