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Arabs Boycott Holocaust Memorial  
User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

http://www.nydailynews.com/01-25-2005/news/wn_report/story/274543p-235086c.html

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.auschwitz24jan24,1,7158662.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

Holocaust boycott--Arabs snub UN before Auschwitz anniversary

Sixty years after Soviet soldiers smashed open the gates of Auschwitz, the UN General Assembly commemorated the Holocaust with a historic special session yesterday at which a cantor sang the Israeli national anthem.

But the Arabs weren't there to hear the music.

With the exception of the Jordanians, the seats of the Arab delegates were mostly empty as the United Nations acknowledged the extermination of 6 million Jews during World War II.





[Edited 2005-01-25 15:21:54]

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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

Did you really expect them to show up?

Be serious.


User currently offlineDamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 724 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Of course, the Slavs, the Gypsies and a few other races and nationalities were on the Nazi top list of all time favorite races.

Hypocritical memorial.

D.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Of course, the Slavs, the Gypsies and a few other races and nationalities were on the Nazi top list of all time favorite races.

Hypocritical memorial.


Nothing hypocritical about a memorial that remembers the deaths of 6 MILLION Jews. The other races and peoples you mentioned were brutalized, but none to the extent, and none with the specificity that the Nazi's targeted the Jews between 1933 and 1945.

It's totally appropriate, and a small mind apparently can't comprehend the magnitude of that crime against humanity.


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

Falcon, I'm afraid nothing can be done regarding reply #2. Just suggest deletion, as I did.


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

Actually, LY7E7, I think it's a good thing to talk about such things openly. I hope it stays, as a point of legitimate contention.

User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

Falcon,
Do you think that calling a Holocaust memorial hypocritical is a legitimate opinion?



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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

LY/Falcon- it just goes to show you how ignorant people can really be.


Go big or go home
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

It's his opinion, so it's worth discussing. The worst thing you can do most times is to try to silence exteme opinions. The best thing, in my mind, is to let it sit out there, so that others can see the idiocy of such opinion, and the truth will stand up against it a lot better that it would if you just zap such opinions into nothingness.

User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

I've seen many A.net threads go off the wall, but I did not expect Reply 2 to be somebody calling a Holocaust memorial a "Hypocritical memorial"...

User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3312 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

I don't want to break your fieldday, shame to those whom did not attend, but what about this nice piece of curved journalism ?
except for Jordan, the seats of the Arab delegates were mostly empty

They were empty or they were not ? if they were not, I have to conclude that there were Arab delegates in addition to the Jordanian delegation, and most likely more than one or two, which the "reporter" would definitely not have missed to mention.

My conclusion would be:
*pittyful gesture not to attend in full
*good to see that there were Arab delegates
*if the idea was to send a message, it is a long time that everyone knows the contents
*acknowledgment of message mentions: the day you will learn to turn a page and to value life, everyone's life, that day will mark the beginning of your future.


User currently offlineKeno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

It's no secret that Arab states have always boycotted the Israeli government (for obvious reasons). Arabs are educated enough to know that holocaust did actually happen, you must be living in a LaLaLand to think otherwise. This holocaust commemoration ceremony was held partly under the banner of State of Israel (e.g. the national anthem & flag). And you are surprised if the Arabs did not turn up?

[Edited 2005-01-25 18:24:11]

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

I have to disagree with the contention that the Nazis did not target gypsies with any less ferocity than they did Jews. Gypsies - like the Jews - were part of the Nazis final solution. And while nearly 2/3 of all European Jews were murdered, the official figures for Gypsy murders under the Nazis is also very high: approximately 1/3 of the gypsy population. It may be much higher, because most of the gypsies were just killed off in the forests where they were apprehended and, thus, were never part of the official record.

That having been said, the memorial to Auschwitz at the UN was not specific to Jewish suffering, but to all victims of the Nazis.

I suspect that the playing of the Israeli national anthem may have had something to do with the no-shows. Or for those Arab anti-semites provided for a convenient excuse not to show up.

Rather unfortunate.



User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

Keno,

Well no, I guess I'm not surprised. It was after all Arabs who supported Hitler and his quest to exterminate the Jews during WWII. Have you ever heard of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem? Look him up, and you'll see what I mean.



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User currently offlineTWISTEDWHISPER From Sweden, joined Aug 2003, 711 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

LY7E7,

I don't think the memorial is hypocritical as such. What I find hypocritical (not sure that's the right word to use here though) is this: "In memory of 6.000.000 Jews. Who cares about the rest."

A memorial? Yeah, sure, if it can help preventing anything like this ever happen again. Not only to Jews, but to any group of people. And I for one think that the Arabs should have been there too, it might have been some political issue that kept them out...?

Holocausts (genocides, bloodbaths, massmurders) occur even today, 50-55 years after WWII, what are we doing to stop it? Not enough in my opinion...



Read between the lines.
User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

Rjpieces:

" the seats of the Arab delegates were mostly empty"

so mostly empty means Arab Boycott, right?

Give me a break, Rjpieces!

It is funny that while you intent to show (once again) 'just how terrible these Arabs are', you have chosen this particular subject to do so. Perhaps you should go and find out what exactly led to the Holocaust and how the people in Germany talked about the Jews before the Holocaust, to notice that there really isn't much difference between your continuous Arab-bashing and the bashing of Jews during Hitler's rise to power.

You're pathetic!



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User currently offlineKeno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

Tbar220,

That is one serious allegation and I would not fall for any conspiracy theory which might now be passed as "facts". I must admit it does sound very sensational to further demonize the Arabs  Insane. Let's say in a parallel universe that you are right, one man's action did not represent the view of the whole of the Arab world.

Jaysit,

Or for those Arab anti-semites provided for a convenient excuse not to show up.

I respect your opinion if you consider this as anti-semitic. But the way I see it this is another anti-State of Israel, which is nothing new and entirely not without reasons too. It's too convenient to label anyone who has problem with Israeli policies as anti-semitic.


User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

From the International Herald Tribune:


"Djibril Diallo, a General Assembly spokesman, said 150 of the 191 nations agreed to the session, including some in the Arab and Muslim world, although the list of who they were was kept confidential. While there was a scattering of delegates in the seats of some Muslim nations, only Afghanistan, Jordan and Turkey sent speakers to the rostrum."

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/01/25/news/un.html



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Oh I understand that is a very serious allegation. So I'll provide some sources for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_mufti.php

http://www.jerusalem-archives.org/period3/3-25.html

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/mufti.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/846987/posts

Thankfully, after WWII, the major Arab powers refused to fully cooperate with this nutcase.



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User currently offlineChrista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

I believe that it is absolutely disgraceful that leaders of the Arab nations did not turn up, I am unsure if other Muslims leaders attended, but if they did not I also believe that is wrong.

I know that from the UK, we did not send the Prime Minister (I am unaware why this occurred) but I do believe that the UK sent a high ranking minister of some sort.

Look at what happened when Yasser Arafat died, many of the European leaders were forced to turn up, why should they? As many of their countries have large Jewish populations. I am sure that there would be a great amount of anger if none of the European leaders decided not to turn up at his funeral.

I am sure that there are bad and good in different religions, but it does seem that there are a lot more EXTREMIST Muslims compared to other extremists in other religions, i.e Christianity.

Regards,

Chris


User currently offlineKeno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

Tbar220,

I wrote earlier "conspiracy theory which might now be passed as "facts"

Very serious allegations require concrete undisputable proofs. Certainly nothing that can be found from a simple Google search could justify any of that. Thanks for the trouble, though  Big grin.

Christa,

One does not have to be an "extremist" of any kind to not agree with State of Israel. Their blood-stained history since the 1940s are well documented for you to make your own mind. Being an anti-semite blindly however, is a totally different thing. That can only come from pure stupidity or ignorance.

[Edited 2005-01-25 19:16:49]

User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Are you serious? I found five varied sources on the Grand Mufti, and you are just denying them? Did you even bother to open them, to read them? They all say the same thing, that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and the Arabs who supported him supported the Nazi regime and their quest to kill Jews.

I'm not making "serious allegations", I'm showing you historical fact. What do you want me to do, fly over to Malaysia and show you a book that tells you this?

Historical fact shows and says that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem openly supported Hitler, the Nazi Regime, and their quest to eliminate Jews. This you cannot deny.



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User currently offlineChrista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Don't you think this is wrong?

After all, the State of Israel didn't exist when the Holocaust occurred. Shouldn't the Muslim & Arab nations give respect to those who died under an evil man.

Personally I believe that the State of Israel should be respected. After all if a neighboring state started attacking you with suicide bombers and so on, wouldn't you retaliate?

I know that there is more to it than that but that is not the point here. The point here is that the Arab & Muslim leaders should respect those who died. After all many of the countries affected in the recent Tsunami i.e Indonesia are mainly Muslim religion wise. However, countries that have had troubles with Islam, i.e UK, USA, France and so on, still sent aid to help the people.

No matter what way you look at it, what I am saying is true!

Regards,

Chris


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

I have to say that the PLO observer to the UN did attend, so it was not only Jordan.

TWISTEDWHISPER,

I absolutely agree with the fact that all victims of the Nazi regime should be commemorated. However I do not see any contradiction between that and a memorial to the Jewish victims. I can also accept criticism on some of the memorials dedicated to Jews, as , for example, the new memorial in Berlin. Yet there's a very long way from legitimate critics to describing such memorial as a hypocritical (i.e "Who cares about the rest").

Keno,
Grand Mufti's support of the nazis is not a conspiracy, it is a historical fact, quite a lot of academic research work was done on that issue. That does not say that the entire Arab nation supported nazism.


http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/html/eng/start/index.php



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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

I respect your opinion if you consider this as anti-semitic. But the way I see it this is another anti-State of Israel, which is nothing new and entirely not without reasons too. It's too convenient to label anyone who has problem with Israeli policies as anti-semitic.

Notice I said that for "those" Arab anti-semites. And those do exist.

And I also added that the playing of the Israeli national anthem probably had a lot to do with the absence of those who are at odds with the policies of Israel.

I do believe, though, that had Arab heads of State attended this function, they would have shamed Israeli right wingers. Memorializing 6+ million victims of the holocaust is just a sign of respect that would have had enormous ramifications in the Middle East.


25 N229NW : Wow. this is a very delicate subject of course. A few thoughts: 1.) Having a memorial for Jews who died in the Holocaust is not "hypocritical." And it
26 Post contains images MaverickM11 : "But the Arabs weren't there to hear the music." Wow. I'm so shocked.
27 MD11Engineer : I remember having learned in history clas back in secondary school, thart the Germans tried to get the Arabs in the British Mandate Territories (Iraq,
28 777236ER : I am sure that there are bad and good in different religions, but it does seem that there are a lot more EXTREMIST Muslims compared to other extremist
29 MaverickM11 : "Perhaps, but then again most Christians live in nice cushy Western countries." You s'pose there's a connection there?
30 777236ER : You s'pose there's a connection there? Yes, but not the way you're implying. I don't think Western countries are cushy because of Christian heritage.
31 Post contains images Lehpron : Being the 31st poster, has anyone recognized the scapegoatism on behalf of those 'arabs' that feel this way? Meaning, I doubt all arabs felt that way;
32 Cedarwings : I Myself denounce all massacres of any type against any nation or race ,but I don't see why a certain massacre should be used for political gain and b
33 MaverickM11 : "Yes, but not the way you're implying." Hmm. Interesting since I wasn't implying anything.
34 777236ER : Hmm. Interesting since I wasn't implying anything. So why did you write it?
35 MaverickM11 : To pose the question.
36 777236ER : In that case, ignore the first setence.
37 L410Turbolet : And you are surprised if the Arabs did not turn up? Absolutely not a single bit. Just as I am not surprised by the usual apologists here on a.net tryi
38 Pilotaydin : it's kinda sad that from reasing several posts on here...many people dont know about Arabs and who they are, nor their background.... which makes it e
39 MaverickM11 : "which makes it even more upsetting that people come to conclusions..." Speaking for myself, I make no judgements on Arab or Muslim people, but I do j
40 Springbok747 : But the Arabs weren't there to hear the music. No surprise there. Reply #2 is just crazy, I don't know what the dude was thinking when he wrote that.
41 Cedarwings : Rj, Reviewing your "thread starter" history for the last months, Palestinian Elections This Week Lawsuit Filed Against Arab Bank That Funds Terror Ann
42 LY7E7 : Cedarwings, I don't see any connection between your last post and the victims of the Nazi regime be it Jews, Gypsies or Slavs. Suggest deletion. Next
43 Damirc : Okay. Talk about skewing of what I meant to say. I don't find the holocaust memorial a hypocritical event, I do however find it very hypocritical that
44 Tbar220 : I hate to be the one the bursts your bubbles, but RJ didn't imply or say anything in his post. He simply quoted the article, those words aren't his.
45 Post contains links LY7E7 : Approximately 15-20% of my country's population was eradicated in WW2 Well, maybe your country does not work hard enough to commemorate those victims.
46 Damirc : I happen to be from Murska Sobota. Trust me, the memory is not eradicated, but I have to agree that there are not many Jews left in this region. There
47 LY7E7 : Indeed interesting info, Damirc, thanks. I live not too far away from Friedman st. so I will definitely come buy. Btw, just out of curiosity, how did
48 Rjpieces : And to sum it up. Exactly this behaviour (holier than thou, better than you, I am the center of the world) is one great part of the answer regarding w
49 SN-A330 : This thread has become a personal flamefest and will be locked. Thanks for your understanding. Regards, SN-A330
50 Damirc : Sweet Jesus Christ. Blaming the Jews for the Holocaust; that's a classic. WHERE did I say that, please. Underline it in my text. I have not blamed the
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