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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

At last someone says it! According to swe.newspaper Fox News are biggott n hateful to people that s not moron-conservative a la Ann Coulter / O Reilly.

Guess you guyz in US have read about this...

Agree w Ted Turner 1000 %  Big thumbs up

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User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1485 times:

Considering Old Capitan Outrageous was married to Hanoi Jane, I'd wager he'd think anything was "right wing".

O'Reilly has every right to say what he does, and we all HAVE the right to watch, or not. I may not agree w/things he and Ann Coulter say, but considering that the media slant is so far "left" that it's nice to have someplace to turn to, that isn't always bashing the administration.

I don't mind disagreeing about things, but due to the liberal bias in most American media, I'm just tired of being told I'm wrong/stupid/foolish for voting the way I do. Why do I have to turn on my TV to watch some show and get to listen to Whoopi/Alec/Babs/Sean/Michael Moore insult me because I don't agree with them? Not all conservatives are wealthy/insensitive/right wingers. AND, not all liberals are hippies/radicals/Hollywood elite, either! Look, the election is over.... Did you see Bush 41 or Bob Dole supporters out in the streets screaming about the outcome of the election, insulting anyone who voted for Clinton? I just went to work the next day, and got on with life. I didn't like Clinton, but his winning didn't make me put my life on hold and complain about it for eight years....

P.S. Is it me, or is it funny that the spell checker for O'Reilly, gives you "Orally"?



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 1476 times:

Excuse me but the day after we mark the liberation of Aushewitz you want to agree w/ Ted Turner that Rupert Murdouch is Hitler and Fox News is his propaganda wing? (That's actually what he said.)

How many people has Rupert Murdouch killed?
How many countries has he invaded?
Where is his army?
What genocide has he and Fox participated in?

Ted Turner also said that Hilter was popular when he was ELECTED Chancellor of Germany.
Which just goes to prove what an uninformed ignorant blowhard Turner is. Hitler never got more that 33% of the German vote. He bullied his way into the Chancellorship then took over.

I don't know what they teach you in Sweden but apparently it isn't European history. And those who don't know it are doomed to repeat it.


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 1468 times:

Well said, UAL...

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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 1470 times:

Excuse me but the day after we mark the liberation of Aushewitz you want to agree w/ Ted Turner that Rupert Murdouch is Hitler and Fox News is his propaganda wing?

and fox showed as little of aushewitz as possible, i was flicking through the channels, sky showing the live coverage, bbc, itv, cnn, euronews all covering it live, fox news with a peice about viagra

even if murdoch has never started a war, its propganda, heard of Goebbels havnt you? ever seen the film tomorrow never dies? dont have to start a war to get what you want, being an american i can understand it may be hard to grasp that consept


User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

I'm curious. What does Fox specifically say that puts them on par with Hitler?


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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

Its not "how many people they've killed", its the propoganda that they continuously push through their news channel. And yes, I believe that their lies, misinformation, and agenda constitute propoganda. Often it frightens me how it is the most popular "news" source in our nation.


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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

Please, at least Goebbels had disagreements with Hitler.

Fox News, on the other hand, repeats what this White House trots out, verbatim.


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1451 times:

And didn't CNN/Headline news/CBS/NBC/ABC do pretty much the same for an eight year span between January 1993 and January 2001?

What's SO terribly wrong with another point of view?



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User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

>>>Its not "how many people they've killed", its the propoganda that they continuously push through their news channel. And yes, I believe that their lies, misinformation, and agenda constitute propoganda. Often it frightens me how it is the most popular "news" source in our nation.<<<

Are you referring to inaccurate hard news segments or certain commentators opinions? Be specific please.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

"What does Fox specifically say that puts them on par with Hitler?"

I'm curious as well....

In fact can any of you provide one single example where Fox News (the NEWS, not the commentators) has lied, spread propaganda, etc? Just one example, that's all I'm asking.




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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

Nothing that comes from my new "neighbor", the Mouth Of The South, surprises me. Regards...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

>Considering Old Capitan Outrageous was married to Hanoi Jane, I'd wager he'd think anything was "right wing".<

Actually, Turner turned more to the left toward the end of their marriage and after they divorced. He was quite conservative up until then until he looked around and realized what was really going on in the world

>O'Reilly has every right to say what he does,<

Sure he does, but he does not have a right to commit purgery and slander. He also does not have a right to sexually harrass someone

>I may not agree w/things he and Ann Coulter say,<

Apparently you do

>but considering that the media slant is so far "left"<

Yeah, right. Aside from Air America and Pacifica (both radio only) there is not a media outlet that is left tilted. That has been true for many years

>that it's nice to have someplace to turn to, that isn't always bashing the administration.<

Then watch CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS, they all have taken a rightist slant over the past 10 years. Actually, ABC has had that slant for a very long time. CNN has ever since they forced out Bernard Shaw and brought in Aaron Brown. They constantly cow toe to the White House, while Fox blatently supports them and is a pure propaganda machine.



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User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

>>>And yes, I believe that their lies, misinformation, and agenda constitute propoganda.<<<

I tend to believe the new definition of, "propaganda", is an opinion that differs from my own.

I think the latest definition of, misinformation, is information not expounding my point of view.

What's ironic is the Hitleresque lack of tolerance by those pointing at others and accusing *them* of being Nazi-like.


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User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

N1120a, let merespond...

==Sure he does, but he does not have a right to commit purgery and slander. He also does not have a right to sexually harrass someone==

Just like Michael Moore has the right to bend the truth and omit things, and Whoopi Goldberg has the right to spew hate at some event last year, and let's talk to Paula Jones/Monica Lewinski about harassment.

==Apparently you do (agree w/Ann Coulter)==

No, I don't. She scares me sometimes. She perpetuates the steretype that ALL Republicans are right wingers. I'm not. I'll listen to any point of view, right OR left.

==Yeah, right. Aside from Air America and Pacifica (both radio only) there is not a media outlet that is left tilted. That has been true for many years(Regarding slanted media)===

Two words: Dan Rather. All news is slanted, one way or the other. I like having choices. I don't deny the right of leftist media to exist, but on the same level, right wing media has a place to do what it does. If FOX is critized for doing it's job, then ALL news media should do just what Jack Webb used to say, and give, "just the facts".



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

M11,

One example, O'Reilly using misinformation to get his point across:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501270010

He is on FNC, so that's one example. If you want, I can provide more.



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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

In fact can any of you provide one single example where Fox News (the NEWS, not the commentators) has lied, spread propaganda, etc? Just one example, that's all I'm asking.

sure, their slogan, 'fox news, the only news channel with real journalism, fair and balanced'

if that's not lies and propaganda I don't know what is


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

I like FOX Radio News' slogan, much better. "We report/You decide!"




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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1337 times:

"One example, O'Reilly using misinformation to get his point across:"

I asked an example involving the NEWS, and NOT COMMENTATORS. Try again.

"sure, their slogan, 'fox news, the only news channel with real journalism, fair and balanced'"

You got anything to back that up?



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

People who throw out the "Hitler Insult" at everyone with whom they don't agree just show how ignorant they really are. Usually those who accuse other of being like Hitler are actually the ones who are closer to Hitler.

sure, their slogan, 'fox news, the only news channel with real journalism, fair and balanced'

if that's not lies and propaganda I don't know what is


Of course in your mind CNN's slogan "The most trusted name in news" is totally truthful even though CNN has been losing views for the last 5 years and is approaching the bottom along with PMSNBC.



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User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

"sure, their slogan, 'fox news, the only news channel with real journalism, fair and balanced'"

You got anything to back that up?


yes... if you watch it you`ll see it before and after their ad breaks... when the voice over says 'fox news, the only news channel with real journalism, fair and balanced'

ok?


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

Propaganda is only effective if that is the only message that an audience is exposed too.

How can it be that Fox News or Rupert Murdoch are propagandists if the audience isn't forced to listen to it?

It is unfortunate that in the past fifty years American media in particular and world media in general has become more homogenized. Before then in America there was always a Democrat paper and a Republican paper. And events of the day were covered from differing angles depending on the point of view of the editorial staff.

Even today we still have the newspaper of the Communist party here in the US. Right and left wind parties have their own media outlets around the world.

Here in the US it is widely seen that the major TV networks have a left leaning bias. My problem isn't that they have the bias, my problem is that they refuse to acknowledge it. Why is it so hard for Dan Rather to say, "I don;t like Bush and I want him out." Sure he'd loose all the Republicans in the he audience but surely he'd gain Democrats.

Even Fox is guilty of this.

Facts are that you people only have a problem with news outlets that lean conservative. No one has mentioned Dan Rathers's reporting or Fahrenheit 9-11 as propaganda yet it was. But people could choose to ignore it and not let it affect their decisions or allow themselves to be persuaded.

I guess it comes down to how much faith you have in your ability to see propaganda for what it is. Some of you are clearly, very worried.

Comparing Murdoch to the tycoon in Die Another Day is just so childish that its actually funny. I suppose because Willard Whyte was supposed to be Howard Hughes we should worry about orbiting Laser platforms. James Bond movies are fantasy, so I suggest you get out of that fantasy world and join the real one.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1325 times:

"yes... if you watch it you`ll see it before and after their ad breaks... when the voice over says 'fox news, the only news channel with real journalism, fair and balanced'"

How bout something actually consequential? I'm only asking because I know you are full of it and won't find anything.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1324 times:

Tbar, the link you posted to is a left wing website that has a history of gunning for Foxnews.


Anyway I give a rats ass about Ted Turner or what he thinks. He is the prime example of how money corrupts.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

Anyway I give a rats ass about Ted Turner or what he thinks.

...and I'm curious as to why anyone else would?

The dude has a history/talent for saying idiotic (and, as this example proves, often non-factual) drivel every time he opens his mouth. What else is new?


25 N1120A : Turner also has a record from taking struggling businesses and making them massive successes. He succeeds at anything he does and puts his all into it
26 Post contains images Tbar220 : L-188, Well I guess you can't trust them because they expose FNC lies, they must be lying and must have some sort of agenda. Can't be trusted, just ca
27 MaverickM11 : " they expose FNC lies" WHAT lies? Just post ONE. Anyone? I bet you can't find anything regarding Fox reporting (NOT commentary) to support your "anti
28 Post contains links Tbar220 : Alright, I'll give you another example. First, I'll post the websites mission statement, so that you cannot automatically discount what they have to s
29 MaverickM11 : "So a channel that claims to be fair and balanced actually is not in their presenting of the news. " You've managed to "proove" that Fox has a conserv
30 Post contains links Tbar220 : Fox News Correspondent Major Garrett lies about Senator Clinton's view on abortion. http://mediamatters.org/items/200501260014 Hannity attributes CBO'
31 PDXtriple7 : I just love CBS news as an alternative...NOT
32 Tbar220 : PDX, What is your main source of news information? Do you watch Fox News?
33 MaverickM11 : "So yes, I think the Fox News is guilty of lies and misinformation. " Using your reasoning, every news station on earth is guilty of the same thing. I
34 SFOMEX : Ted Turner? Gimme a break! He's indeed a sore loser. He's quite aware that his beloved CNN is losing big time against Fox News. Check the ratings if y
35 Post contains links Tbar220 : M11, According to you, any news station/show that has had a politician on the show is just as guilty as Fox of lying and misinforming. Don't twist aro
36 MaverickM11 : "Don't twist around my words" Nobody twisted your words. I asked for an example of Fox "lying" and you gave one citing that its guests lie and saying
37 Zone1 : Turner also has a record from taking struggling businesses and making them massive successes. He succeeds at anything he does and puts his all into it
38 Tbar220 : I universally expect crap from television media whether it's Fox or Public Access. Well that's a shame, I think you should expect more from the source
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